Nvidia RTX Discussion

Homelander · 08-06-2021 1:01pm

Yes I've tried Precision, Firestorm and AB and they are all the same. It's so frustrating.

Something else controlling the card, like a third app?

I've disabled literally everything but it's still the same.

Meesared · 09-06-2021 2:36pm

So I have an address in Germany I can use (a friend who lives there) am I right in thinking I should set up my notebooksbillinger.de account to be able to buy from the Nvidia site?

Luck100 · 10-06-2021 3:32pm

I think we are turning the corner on the RTX bubble. I'm seeing the beginnings of price/stock improvements in new and used listings. We could be back to "only" 20% over MSRP in a couple of months.

Tin Man · 10-06-2021 4:12pm

Luck100 wrote: »

I think we are turning the corner on the RTX bubble. I'm seeing the beginnings of price/stock improvements in new and used listings. We could be back to "only" 20% over MSRP in a couple of months.

Where are you seeing that?

Cuddlesworth · 10-06-2021 4:33pm

Tin Man wrote: »

Where are you seeing that?

Overpriced shops like overclockers have stock in cards like the 3070 hanging around in relatively large numbers. That means market saturation at that price point.

Tin Man · 10-06-2021 4:43pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Overpriced shops like overclockers have stock in cards like the 3070 hanging around in relatively large numbers. That means market saturation at that price point.

They do?
I know caseking has 3070's in stock consistently for about 2 months now but their prices are still between €1100 and €1500

Luck100 · 10-06-2021 4:59pm

Listings on adverts no longer flying off the shelf at or beyond asking. Sellers lowering prices (shocking!) from past highest sales levels. Just the beginnings, it's hardly time to go shopping yet unless you like catching a falling knife.

thecomedian · 10-06-2021 5:02pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Overpriced shops like overclockers have stock in cards like the 3070 hanging around in relatively large numbers. That means market saturation at that price point.

I see the rx 6700xt’s are still in stock, still overpriced though

Luck100 · 10-06-2021 5:13pm

thecomedian wrote: »

I see the rx 6700xt’s are still in stock, still overpriced though

yep, but this is the NVidia RTX thread...

Cuddlesworth · 10-06-2021 7:31pm

Tin Man wrote: »

They do?
I know caseking has 3070's in stock consistently for about 2 months now but their prices are still between €1100 and €1500

I went back and checked, its 3060's that have been there for a while now at the 600 quid sterling mark.

Caseking and Overclockers have the same parent company and to be honest, have been some of the worst Globally for price gouging. So the next time I see either whining about getting no cards, I'll take it with a grain of salt.

Also, if AMD stock is the same, then it effectively means the same thing. Nvidia and AMD don't exist in isolation of each other.

thecomedian · 10-06-2021 7:55pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I went back and checked, its 3060's that have been there for a while now at the 600 quid sterling mark.

Caseking and Overclockers have the same parent company and to be honest, have been some of the worst Globally for price gouging. So the next time I see either whining about getting no cards, I'll take it with a grain of salt.

Also, if AMD stock is the same, then it effectively means the same thing. Nvidia and AMD don't exist in isolation of each other.

Also I think it was said here recently but there’s a lot more mining rigs going for sake on adverts in the last 2 weeks along with a good few ex mining cards.
So it might turn a bit.

Homelander · 11-06-2021 1:43pm

I would be extremely hesitant buying 2nd hand GPU's to be honest. A lot of people are running these cards clocked to the edge, memory at the threshold of operating spec 24/7, fans at 90+ since they got them, etc.

It's not a big deal to them when they are under warranty, but different story altogether when you're buying them as 2nd hand. Grand if they are relatively cheap cards like RX580's or whatever, but for me, definitely not worth spending big money on 2nd hand in-demand cards like the RTX3 cards, and just continue to wait it out.

TheValeyard · 11-06-2021 2:34pm

Homelander wrote: »

Yes I've tried Precision, Firestorm and AB and they are all the same. It's so frustrating.

I've disabled literally everything but it's still the same.

Did you get this sorted?

Homelander · 12-06-2021 11:14am

TheValeyard wrote: »

Did you get this sorted?

I actually did! Would you believe in the end it turned out to be the motherboard.

I put the 3090 in my other PC and it worked fine, then tried my old card in my main PC and same problem, can apply settings via afterburner/precision but makes no actual impact.

Really bizarre. Obviously a motherboard issue of some kind but nothing I can do about it as the current bios is the only one that supports my 5600X, the previous one kept bluescreening and crashing.

Aodhan5000 · 12-06-2021 1:32pm

How'd you manage to get a 3090 at reasonable value?

Cuddlesworth · 12-06-2021 2:55pm

Homelander wrote: »

I actually did! Would you believe in the end it turned out to be the motherboard.

I put the 3090 in my other PC and it worked fine, then tried my old card in my main PC and same problem, can apply settings via afterburner/precision but makes no actual impact.

Really bizarre. Obviously a motherboard issue of some kind but nothing I can do about it as the current bios is the only one that supports my 5600X, the previous one kept bluescreening and crashing.

I really doubt its the Mobo, there is nothing really between the mobo + gpu, its mobo --> cpu via direct express lanes. Your problem seems to be OS based or driver. Something in Nvidia control panel like a boost option you might have enabled before? I'd do a complete wipe of drivers first.

Homelander · 12-06-2021 3:03pm

I'm quite sure it's not drivers as the older card is a Vega 56 and it's the same story, I didn't wipe the OS but pretty much tried everything else. Obviously there is a technical reason but I'm pretty stumped.

TheValeyard · 12-06-2021 3:10pm

Homelander wrote: »

I'm quite sure it's not drivers as the older card is a Vega 56 and it's the same story, I didn't wipe the OS but pretty much tried everything else. Obviously there is a technical reason but I'm pretty stumped.

Could it be a bandwidth issue on the mobo?

Obviously I'm sure you've tried different slots for the GPU and see if you cant get different results?

Homelander · 12-06-2021 4:35pm

It's either the mobo or CPU. When I first got it, PC constantly turn-off mid game without warning.

I updated the bios and it worked better after that, but in the last day or two it would power on to a black screen.

This afternoon now it won't turn on at all. Reseated CPU and nothing. It turned on once to "Bios recovery mode" but nothing but black screen since.

Homelander · 12-06-2021 5:16pm

My brain is melted with this.

Vega 56 in the A520M - blank screen.

Vega 56 in my old PC - works fine.

Old GPU in the A520M (also requires 2 x 8pin) - works fine.

GHOST MGG · 12-06-2021 7:06pm

I would DDU every graphic driver on that A520M board and start from scratch,,its clearly a software issue
You could also try the dual bios switch on the vega 56 and see if the other bios is working

Cuddlesworth · 12-06-2021 7:43pm

Homelander wrote: »

My brain is melted with this.

Vega 56 in the A520M - blank screen.

Vega 56 in my old PC - works fine.

Old GPU in the A520M (also requires 2 x 8pin) - works fine.

GHOST MGG wrote: »

I would DDU every graphic driver on that A520M board and start from scratch,,its clearly a software issue
You could also try the dual bios switch on the vega 56 and see if the other bios is working

Not working in bios means its not a driver issue, drivers sit on the OS.

I remember when pci-ex gen 4 came out, some cards had a issue with auto negotiation on some boards. I would say manually set the bios to put slot 1(assuming x16 slot) into gen 3 mode manually, then try the vega.

Then look into pysical aspects, don't know what the old gpu was, but any chance the vega is putting strain onto the slot pulling off contacts?

Homelander · 12-06-2021 8:58pm

I've given up at this stage. I tried every setting in the bios as well using the old card and nothing. The old card is a Titan that's actually heavier than the Vega.

I found someone here with an identical problem with an X470. Really strange.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/new-build-wont-boot-with-vega-64-but-boots-fine-with-older-gtx-960.3423343/

It probably sounds a bit reactionary but I only ever get these headaches with AMD chipsets, and the guy above is obviously AMD as well. I had other issues with my last Ryzen 3600/B450M build that were a pain as well to get sorted (though they did get sorted).

I genuinely find that while AMD is way better value, not just in terms of price but also feature set wise, Intel tends to just work more headache free in general, notwithstanding actual hardware faults obviously.

Cuddlesworth · 12-06-2021 9:07pm

When you are basically running the same platform for 10 years, its going to be pretty predictable in terms of issues.

deceit · 13-06-2021 12:25am

Homelander wrote: »

I've given up at this stage. I tried every setting in the bios as well using the old card and nothing. The old card is a Titan that's actually heavier than the Vega.

I found someone here with an identical problem with an X470. Really strange.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/new-build-wont-boot-with-vega-64-but-boots-fine-with-older-gtx-960.3423343/

It probably sounds a bit reactionary but I only ever get these headaches with AMD chipsets, and the guy above is obviously AMD as well. I had other issues with my last Ryzen 3600/B450M build that were a pain as well to get sorted (though they did get sorted).

I genuinely find that while AMD is way better value, not just in terms of price but also feature set wise, Intel tends to just work more headache free in general, notwithstanding actual hardware faults obviously.

I've found the opposite is true for me. with X58 it was ram slots would randomly not work (multiple boards), x79 (worked flawless), x99 it was usb ports would cause latency and general instability (multiple boards/manufacturers). I haven't had any issues really since moving too amd systems bar with threadripper I had issues with latency when a process went accross multiple ccx's but that was a design of the cpu and not a flaw.

Cuddlesworth · 13-06-2021 3:38pm

deceit wrote: »

x99 it was usb ports would cause latency and general instability (multiple boards/manufacturers)

That reminds me, my x99 asus board comes out of sleep at full cpu fan and you can't change until a reboot. And when you plug a device into the "fast" charge port, all USB hub devices(including wifi + bluetooth) randomly drop out 2-3 times a hour.

Blazer · 14-06-2021 8:35am

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

That reminds me, my x99 asus board comes out of sleep at full cpu fan and you can't change until a reboot. And when you plug a device into the "fast" charge port, all USB hub devices(including wifi + bluetooth) randomly drop out 2-3 times a hour.

Aaahh.,that explains my usb issue

I definitely have one plugged in there.
Must be a usb issue as I have it on an amd board.

Inviere · 14-06-2021 7:07pm

Something is definitely happening, there's a ton of new hits on gpu tracker for rtx 3080. Caseking seem to have gotten a drop, and the prices....while still nowhere near rrp, they're the best I've seen since I started looking around Christmas.

K.O.Kiki · 14-06-2021 9:27pm

Inviere wrote: »

Something is definitely happening, there's a ton of new hits on gpu tracker for rtx 3080. Caseking seem to have gotten a drop, and the prices....while still nowhere near rrp, they're the best I've seen since I started looking around Christmas.

1521+ for a 3080, thanks for getting my hopes up.

Luck100 · 14-06-2021 10:00pm

Inviere wrote: »

Something is definitely happening, there's a ton of new hits on gpu tracker for rtx 3080. Caseking seem to have gotten a drop, and the prices....while still nowhere near rrp, they're the best I've seen since I started looking around Christmas.

Yep, I called it a few days ago. Have a look at StockX
https://stockx.com/nvidia-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-graphics-card-founders-edition

If you click "view all sales", you'll see that chart showing 3080's are back to mid-Feb levels. I have no intention of buying a used 3080 from StockX, but it's a strong indication that supply/demand is coming back in line.

Inviere · 15-06-2021 7:23am

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

1521+ for a 3080, thanks for getting my hopes up.

Well I did say the prices are still nowhere near rrp. 1521+ is a definite improvement over 2000+ however. Fingers crossed that things are beginning to normalise

circadian · 15-06-2021 10:03am

Homelander wrote: »

I've given up at this stage. I tried every setting in the bios as well using the old card and nothing. The old card is a Titan that's actually heavier than the Vega.

I found someone here with an identical problem with an X470. Really strange.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/new-build-wont-boot-with-vega-64-but-boots-fine-with-older-gtx-960.3423343/

It probably sounds a bit reactionary but I only ever get these headaches with AMD chipsets, and the guy above is obviously AMD as well. I had other issues with my last Ryzen 3600/B450M build that were a pain as well to get sorted (though they did get sorted).

I genuinely find that while AMD is way better value, not just in terms of price but also feature set wise, Intel tends to just work more headache free in general, notwithstanding actual hardware faults obviously.

Just spotting this, does your board have any significant BIOS updates outstanding? Might be some controller changes since you installed it.

Tin Man · 15-06-2021 1:49pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I went back and checked, its 3060's that have been there for a while now at the 600 quid sterling mark.

Caseking and Overclockers have the same parent company and to be honest, have been some of the worst Globally for price gouging. So the next time I see either whining about getting no cards, I'll take it with a grain of salt.

Also, if AMD stock is the same, then it effectively means the same thing. Nvidia and AMD don't exist in isolation of each other.

You might be onto something here. Maybe its the launch of the 3070/80 Ti's but looking at Caseking again this week and they have 11 models of 3070's in stock between 1000 and 1300 instead of the 1100 and 1500 they were looking for a week ago. Still way way overpriced but going in the right direction?

Tin Man · 15-06-2021 2:04pm

Tin Man wrote: »

You might be onto something here. Maybe its the launch of the 3070/80 Ti's but looking at Caseking again this week and they have 11 models of 3070's in stock between 1000 and 1300 instead of the 1100 and 1500 they were looking for a week ago. Still way way overpriced but going in the right direction?

I actually don't think they know what they are doing. They literally have a 3070 Ti for sale cheaper than their cheapest 3070. Maybe they are trying to move the 3070's into a lower tier of being too overpriced but they don't know what they supply is going to be like for both models in the short to medium term

3070 Ti for 1026.35 (DE VAT)
https://www.caseking.de/en/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-amp-holo-lhr-8192-mb-gddr6x-gczt-184.html

3070 for 1063.74 (DE VAT)
https://www.caseking.de/en/inno3d-geforce-rtx-3070-ichill-x4-lhr-8192-mb-gddr6-gci3-197.html

Lumen · 15-06-2021 2:11pm

Tin Man wrote: »

I actually don't think they know what they are doing. They literally have a 3070 Ti for sale cheaper than their cheapest 3070. Maybe they are trying to move the 3070's into a lower tier of being too overpriced but they don't know what they supply is going to be like for both models in the short to medium term

3070 Ti for 1026.35 (DE VAT)
https://www.caseking.de/en/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-amp-holo-lhr-8192-mb-gddr6x-gczt-184.html

3070 for 1063.74 (DE VAT)
https://www.caseking.de/en/inno3d-geforce-rtx-3070-ichill-x4-lhr-8192-mb-gddr6-gci3-197.html

Isn't the Ti hash limited to bork mining whereas the non-Ti isn't?

Sorry for the double isn'ts.

Cuddlesworth · 15-06-2021 2:18pm

Tin Man wrote: »

I actually don't think they know what they are doing. They literally have a 3070 Ti for sale cheaper than their cheapest 3070. Maybe they are trying to move the 3070's into a lower tier of being too overpriced but they don't know what they supply is going to be like for both models in the short to medium term

3070 Ti for 1026.35 (DE VAT)
https://www.caseking.de/en/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-amp-holo-lhr-8192-mb-gddr6x-gczt-184.html

3070 for 1063.74 (DE VAT)
https://www.caseking.de/en/inno3d-geforce-rtx-3070-ichill-x4-lhr-8192-mb-gddr6-gci3-197.html

I would assume that either

They are still selling at the higher price(in small quantity's) or
They bought them at inflated prices and are hoping to recoup the cost.

Tin Man · 15-06-2021 2:23pm

Lumen wrote: »

Isn't the Ti hash limited to bork mining whereas the non-Ti isn't?

Sorry for the double isn'ts.

You're right but that cheap (HA!) 3070 is also a LHR labeled card. They seem to have a mix of both types. I do wonder if its their suppliers that are screwing them in the first instance though.

H3llR4iser · 15-06-2021 3:11pm

Tin Man wrote: »

I actually don't think they know what they are doing. They literally have a 3070 Ti for sale cheaper than their cheapest 3070. Maybe they are trying to move the 3070's into a lower tier of being too overpriced but they don't know what they supply is going to be like for both models in the short to medium term

3070 Ti for 1026.35 (DE VAT)
https://www.caseking.de/en/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-amp-holo-lhr-8192-mb-gddr6x-gczt-184.html

3070 for 1063.74 (DE VAT)
https://www.caseking.de/en/inno3d-geforce-rtx-3070-ichill-x4-lhr-8192-mb-gddr6-gci3-197.html

Frankly, I suspect it's a case of "throw stuff at a wall and see what sticks"; I'd say distributors are starting to see a drop in demand due to the combination of lower mining returns, future uncertainty (ETH moving to POS) and possibly a bit of "normal" demand going down due to the easing of lockdowns/summer. Yet, they know there are people who've been waiting without a GPU and they'll try to fleece us for all they can.

That said, I'm still of the idea that the MSRP at launch back in September were little more than an headline grabbing exercise - sure, some people managed to get cards at prices close to them, but even OEMs soon started rising the prices. What they released the Ti cards at are more realistic prices in my view.

Tin Man · 15-06-2021 3:20pm

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Frankly, I suspect it's a case of "throw stuff at a wall and see what sticks"; I'd say distributors are starting to see a drop in demand due to the combination of lower mining returns, future uncertainty (ETH moving to POS) and possibly a bit of "normal" demand going down due to the easing of lockdowns/summer. Yet, they know there are people who've been waiting without a GPU and they'll try to fleece us for all they can.

That said, I'm still of the idea that the MSRP at launch back in September were little more than an headline grabbing exercise - sure, some people managed to get cards at prices close to them, but even OEMs soon started rising the prices. What they released the Ti cards at are more realistic prices in my view.

A little academic now, all their 3070 Ti's are sold out

Probably for the best, it was starting to look like a bargain in my eyes

Inviere · 15-06-2021 4:19pm

Tin Man wrote: »

A little academic now, all their 3070 Ti's are sold out
Probably for the best, it was starting to look like a bargain in my eyes

It's amazing when you're looking at prices and no-availability for long enough, how your mind starts to rationalise double-rrp as a good deal

I'm guilty of it myself, eyeing up €2000+ 3080Ti's this week saying "jesus that's not bad...."

Tin Man · 15-06-2021 4:42pm

Inviere wrote: »

It's amazing when you're looking at prices and no-availability for long enough, how your mind starts to rationalise double-rrp as a good deal I'm guilty of it myself, eyeing up €2000+ 3080Ti's this week saying "jesus that's not bad...."

"and sure what else would I be spending it on. Its basically a 3090 and those yokes are going for €3000. I'm saving €1000!"

Inviere · 15-06-2021 7:52pm

Tin Man wrote: »

"and sure what else would I be spending it on. Its basically a 3090 and those yokes are going for €3000. I'm saving €1000!"

Lol, exactly

K.O.Kiki · 15-06-2021 8:39pm

EVGA cards are showing on the tracker, but of course it's just the waiting list.

*sigh*

16-06-2021 9:16pm

Tin Man wrote: »

"and sure what else would I be spending it on. Its basically a 3090 and those yokes are going for €3000. I'm saving €1000!"

That's called the 'framing effect'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framing_effect_(psychology)

Had the exact same sentiments here too of late.

The day coin miners get their holes kicked good and proper is coming and I am taking that day off work and calling in sick the next day too.

Tin Man · 17-06-2021 9:17am

We might be seeing the beginning of the end of these dark times:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asrock-says-china-crypto-demand-waning-gpu-prices-dropping-report

I hope its a nice hard price crash. Not because I want to buy a card at a reasonable price but because I want to see sob stories from filthy scalpers left holding the bag on a pallet full of GPU's that they can't sell.

AlmightyCushion · 17-06-2021 2:27pm

I do think supply/demand is starting to improve. A few weeks ago on the partsalert twitter I was checking out some of the RTX cards that were showing up and they were way over RRP, gone instantly and had multiple replies from people giving out that they were gone instantly. The cards that are showing up now are cheaper, are still there by the time I have clicked the link (and it looks like even a few minutes later) and they get no replies. Hopefully, they get back to RRP soon and there is enough stock to just go on a website and buy instead of jumping on as soon as you get a tweet about stock.

buzzerxx · 17-06-2021 7:16pm

Tin Man wrote: »

We might be seeing the beginning of the end of these dark times:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asrock-says-china-crypto-demand-waning-gpu-prices-dropping-report

I hope its a nice hard price crash. Not because I want to buy a card at a reasonable price but because I want to see sob stories from filthy scalpers left holding the bag on a pallet full of GPU's that they can't sell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFp86n7QCf0

This guy sold up cos he reckons its a huge ponzi scheme and more and more are realising it too.

K.O.Kiki · 18-06-2021 12:30am

10% of Ethereum hash power has disappeared: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/o1u1yr/good_news_everyone_crypto_mining_demand_is/

harmless · 19-06-2021 2:18pm

In the last few months my mining profits have gone from $440 to $150 per month. Electricity costs would be $70/month(converted all to USD to make it easier calculate)

Since Jan it's paid for a full PC build with a RTX 3080 and some left over to buy a monitor when I find one I like.

I stopped mining over a month ago, it's not worth the waste of electricity but some people will continue even if the profit margins are tiny.
I paid RRP for the 3080 but some who paid scalper prices will probably have a larger incentive to continue mining and try to get something back.

Sierra Oscar · 21-06-2021 4:04pm

Some big drops across the board on the crypto markets today. Outlook for GPU availability certain a lot brighter looking at the moment.

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