This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

beet_root · 14-05-2021 09:17PM

Bought a 161 30kw Accenta recently with 45k km, Soh 90% and has a range at the moment of 180km (12 bars), paid 11.5k and am very happy with it so far (first EV), came with both chargers too.

Old diesel · 20-05-2021 12:59PM

Just on that 40 kWh leaf....

I see Electric Auto (Phil Fitzgerald) have a 2017 Ioniq premium SE at 17,900 with 42 k miles on the clock. ..

That sounds a better idea all round imo.

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eclipsechaser · 20-05-2021 08:29PM

Old diesel wrote: »

Just on that 40 kWh leaf....

I see Electric Auto (Phil Fitzgerald) have a 2017 Ioniq premium SE at 17,900 with 42 k miles on the clock. ..

That sounds a better idea all round imo.

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I'm totally new to ev's and this will be a daft question I'm sure. I was thinking about getting a '19 Kona Electric with 24k km for c. €28.5k. Do people think the €10k over that Ioniq is worth it? It'll be used for an 80km round trip for work several days a week. We do a 300km trip about 3 times a year and another 200km trip about 3 times year.

Are there difference in charge speeds between the two models? Or is it just the size, age, mileage and range that make the difference?

unkel · 20-05-2021 09:55PM

eclipsechaser wrote: »

Do people think the €10k over that Ioniq is worth it? It'll be used for an 80km round trip for work several days a week. We do a 300km trip about 3 times a year and another 200km trip about 3 times year.

Depends. On those 200 and 300km trips in Kona you would not have to stop to charge. In Ioniq you would have to charge once, depending on charger location, could be twice on the 300km trip

Apart from that the Ioniq is more comfortable, bigger and has a better spec

McGiver · 20-05-2021 10:23PM

eclipse chaser wrote:

I was thinking about getting a '19 Kona Electric with 24k km for c. â‚¬28.5k.

unkel wrote:

Depends. On those 200 and 300km trips in Kona you would not have to stop to charge. In Ioniq you would have to charge once, depending on charger location, could be twice on the 300km trip

Has Kona dropped so low already?
Any issues with the 19 version unkel?
Bar batteries spontaneously combusting

(kidding but the recall fixed it right? ).

slave1 · 20-05-2021 10:32PM

eclipsechaser wrote: »

I'm totally new to ev's and this will be a daft question I'm sure. I was thinking about getting a '19 Kona Electric with 24k km for c. €28.5k. Do people think the €10k over that Ioniq is worth it? It'll be used for an 80km round trip for work several days a week. We do a 300km trip about 3 times a year and another 200km trip about 3 times year.

Are there difference in charge speeds between the two models? Or is it just the size, age, mileage and range that make the difference?

That €10k gets you a savage range increase, that 19 Kona will be hitting well over 400kms range so effectively double the Ioniq.

unkel · 20-05-2021 10:47PM

slave1 wrote: »

That €10k gets you a savage range increase

Indeed, but he never needs more than Ioniq range, except on 6 days a year. Depends if it is important to him not to have to stop on those days.

Ioniq is far bigger and more comfortable car. Kona is a supermini size car really, very small in the back, suitable for 2 small kids max

So depends on his priorities and needs really

ELM327 · 21-05-2021 10:35AM

slave1 wrote: »

That €10k gets you a savage range increase, that 19 Kona will be hitting well over 400kms range so effectively double the Ioniq.

Yes but it's at a 55% increase over the Ioniq price. And you lose a lot of features (adaptive cruise for instance), combined with the kona being so teeny it's a 2 seater effectively.

If it's only for 6 days a year, I'd keep the 10k and budget for some fast charging.

Black_Knight · 21-05-2021 10:48AM

unkel wrote: »

Indeed, but he never needs more than Ioniq range, except on 6 days a year. Depends if it is important to him not to have to stop on those days.

Ioniq is far bigger and more comfortable car. Kona is a supermini size car really, very small in the back, suitable for 2 small kids max

So depends on his priorities and needs really

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but it's at a 55% increase over the Ioniq price. And you lose a lot of features (adaptive cruise for instance), combined with the kona being so teeny it's a 2 seater effectively.

If it's only for 6 days a year, I'd keep the 10k and budget for some fast charging.

Exactly. If it's 6 days a year, i'd take the ioniq every time. It's a far better spec'd machine than the kona, and far more practical. I only sold my ioniq because it couldn't carry everything we needed (growing family). The charging aspect didn't really bother me - sure didn't we have to stop in Roscrea on our last drive home because the kids weren't happy. I do like the extra range, but 10k in my pocket is pretty nice too. (there's an obvious argument which says I could of saved €10k and got the ID.4 city, but it's a lesser car spec'd car than the 1st, while the Ioniq is a better spec'd car than the Kona).

the_amazing_raisin · 21-05-2021 10:50AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but it's at a 55% increase over the Ioniq price. And you lose a lot of features (adaptive cruise for instance), combined with the kona being so teeny it's a 2 seater effectively.

If it's only for 6 days a year, I'd keep the 10k and budget for some fast charging.

No ACC on a car that cost nearly €40k :eek:

What is this, 2011?

ELM327 · 21-05-2021 11:40AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

No ACC on a car that cost nearly €40k :eek:

What is this, 2011?

It's paddy spec. We only got one spec.

In the UK the premium and premium SE got ACC as standard.
We got a lot of the premium level trim and some of the premium SE (eg heated seats etc) but lost the ACC.
Completely ridiculous.

unkel · 21-05-2021 12:39PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

No ACC on a car that cost nearly €40k :eek:

What is this, 2011?

Is active cruise control, autonomous emergency braking and auto steer standard on all VW ID.3 and ID.4 in 2021, like it was on the 2016 €25k Hyundai Ioniq?

unkel · 21-05-2021 12:42PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

I only sold my ioniq because it couldn't carry everything we needed (growing family).

I only sold my Ioniq because I could buy a Tesla at a crazy cheap price.

I've had many a nice family car before Ioniq: BMWs, Mercedes, Rover, Saab, Jaguar. All petrol, most of them 6 cylinder and V8 automatics, so plenty of luxury, power and refinement there

Yet it was only when I sold Ioniq that my wife was sad to see it go, the only car she ever said she really loved

eagerv · 21-05-2021 12:47PM

unkel wrote: »

Is active cruise control, autonomous emergency braking and auto steer standard on all VW ID.3 and ID.4 in 2021, like it was on the 2016 €25k Hyundai Ioniq?

AFAIK yes, except Basic models only include Lane Keep, not full lane follow.

unkel · 21-05-2021 12:56PM

eagerv wrote: »

AFAIK yes, except Basic models only include Lane Keep, not full lane follow.

I think the full lane follow is only standard on the top models? I guess this is 2021 and things are moving on a bit. Kona Irish spec in 2019 was a disgrace. And in 2022 all new EU cars must have all of the above as standard.

eagerv · 21-05-2021 01:03PM

unkel wrote: »

I think the full lane follow is only standard on the top models? I guess this is 2021 and things are moving on a bit. Kona Irish spec in 2019 was a disgrace. And in 2022 all new EU cars must have all of the above as standard.

Agree, actually the price was nearer €42 when I checked and there was little movement at the time from the dealer. The usual crap such as impossible to get etc..:).
Apart from no ACC what really annoyed me re the spec here was the non LED lights and the tiny info screen (Smaller than Ioniq).

unkel · 21-05-2021 01:19PM

eagerv wrote: »

Agree, actually the price was nearer €42 when I checked and there was little movement at the time from the dealer. The usual crap such as impossible to get etc..:).

Well, they did sell by the sh1tloads here in Ireland. I guess companies are not charities and should maximise profit. Looks like Hyundai Ireland did just that. Can't blame them, there was literally zero competition for the long range Kona back in 2019, apart from Teslas costing twice as much...

eagerv · 21-05-2021 01:30PM

unkel wrote: »

Well, they did sell by the sh1tloads here in Ireland. I guess companies are not charities and should maximise profit. Looks like Hyundai Ireland did just that. Can't blame them, there was literally zero competition for the long range Kona back in 2019, apart from Teslas costing twice as much...

It is a car I always liked and seriously considered one. But I think Hyundai Ireland were too greedy and specced the model incorrectly here. They got the Irish spec Ionic a lot better IMO.

eclipsechaser · 22-05-2021 09:52AM

Many thanks to the posters for their opinions on the Kona and Ioniq. Plenty to consider now before a purchase.

irishgrover · 24-05-2021 02:13PM

eclipsechaser wrote: »

Many thanks to the posters for their opinions on the Kona and Ioniq. Plenty to consider now before a purchase.

I would agree with the general consensus. Ioniq is a better and bigger car, and having to charge a few times a year is really not that much of an issue.
I drove a premium SE for 3 years and loved it. (I did a lot of fast charging)

unkel · 06-06-2021 09:51PM

I had to dig this thread up from deeper than it had ever sunk down the pages. Not many EV bargains around any more

Here's a decent value EV: 152 Tesla Model S P85D, 7 seater, NCT until late 2023, well over 2 years Tesla warranty left on battery and drivetrain and it's a garage sale so the car comes with 12 month garage warranty. Asking €37k, but are they really going to refuse a firm €35k offer?

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Linky

Has the AutoPilot 1 hardware, but the ad doesn't mention if it is activated (otherwise it would cost €2k from Tesla). You need to check for yourself, but it is likely a high spec with free supercharging, dual chargers (for 23kW AC charging) and free premium connectivity

the_amazing_raisin · 07-06-2021 09:29AM

With demand vastly outstripping supply then bargains are going to be a rarity, certainly for vehicles with good range

I would have thought there'd be a rake of Leaf's and Ioniqs about from people trading up to ID.3s and E-Niros, but there doesn't seem to be as many as expected

I wonder are people trading their partners' ICE cars and going full electric (that's what we did

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Gumbo · 07-06-2021 11:36AM

unkel wrote: »

I had to dig this thread up from deeper than it had ever sunk down the pages. Not many EV bargains around any more

Here's a decent value EV: 152 Tesla Model S P85D, 7 seater, NCT until late 2023, well over 2 years Tesla warranty left on battery and drivetrain and it's a garage sale so the car comes with 12 month garage warranty. Asking €37k, but are they really going to refuse a firm €35k offer?

Linky

Has the AutoPilot 1 hardware, but the ad doesn't mention if it is activated (otherwise it would cost €2k from Tesla). You need to check for yourself, but it is likely a high spec with free supercharging, dual chargers (for 23kW AC charging) and free premium connectivity

That’s a good car for a good price.
Dealer would be well enough known too so some form of genuine warranty would be present.
For comparison, a large south Dublin dealer offered me €35k trade in for my 142 P85+ towards a 201 M3P recently.

And even more recent, another garage offered €35,500 to take my car towards a P90DL.

That P85D is very tempting.

Gumbo · 07-06-2021 11:38AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

With demand vastly outstripping supply then bargains are going to be a rarity, certainly for vehicles with good range

I would have thought there'd be a rake of Leaf's and Ioniqs about from people trading up to ID.3s and E-Niros, but there doesn't seem to be as many as expected

I wonder are people trading their partners' ICE cars and going full electric (that's what we did )

Very possible.
But, it’s also proof that the “limited range” on the early Leaf and ioniq is more than suitable for the vast majority of owners despite public opinion that we need 1000km range EV’s that charge in 38 seconds!

unkel · 07-06-2021 11:44AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I would have thought there'd be a rake of Leaf's and Ioniqs about from people trading up to ID.3s and E-Niros, but there doesn't seem to be as many as expected

I'd say for the overwhelming majority of buyers, the ID.3 and ID.4 are their first EV.

NIMAN · 07-06-2021 12:52PM

Gumbo wrote: »

Very possible.
But, it’s also proof that the “limited range” on the early Leaf and ioniq is more than suitable for the vast majority of owners despite public opinion that we need 1000km range EV’s that charge in 38 seconds!

This is situation I am in.

I thought of changing my 2014 Leaf, but the prices of EVs to change to was simply too high to justify it. My current Leaf, despite losing its first bar, is still more than capable of satisfying our daily needs.

In fact, the lowest it has been in the last 18 months before recharging at night would be in the 30s%.
By the end of most days it could be sitting at 50-60%.

Old Leaf's could still play a bit role for many drivers, but as mentioned, they want an EV to do 500km before they'll even consider it.

the_amazing_raisin · 07-06-2021 04:47PM

unkel wrote: »

I'd say for the overwhelming majority of buyers, the ID.3 and ID.4 are their first EV.

Yeah, just a spot check from where I live it's about 75% are replacing an ICE car

I remember when I was looking at trading the Leaf the salesman mentioned they were getting a lot of Leaf's traded in which was pushing the value down

I guess it goes back to demand, there's huge demand out for long range EVs so bargains are going to be few and far between

the_amazing_raisin · 07-06-2021 04:53PM

Gumbo wrote: »

Very possible.
But, it’s also proof that the “limited range” on the early Leaf and ioniq is more than suitable for the vast majority of owners despite public opinion that we need 1000km range EV’s that charge in 38 seconds!

Absolutely, so far we've only done 3 trips with the ID.4 which would have required a fast charge with the Leaf. We got away with using Leaf as the main car for years

ELM327 · 08-06-2021 09:53AM

unkel wrote: »

I had to dig this thread up from deeper than it had ever sunk down the pages. Not many EV bargains around any more

Here's a decent value EV: 152 Tesla Model S P85D, 7 seater, NCT until late 2023, well over 2 years Tesla warranty left on battery and drivetrain and it's a garage sale so the car comes with 12 month garage warranty. Asking €37k, but are they really going to refuse a firm €35k offer?

Linky

Has the AutoPilot 1 hardware, but the ad doesn't mention if it is activated (otherwise it would cost €2k from Tesla). You need to check for yourself, but it is likely a high spec with free supercharging, dual chargers (for 23kW AC charging) and free premium connectivity

Saw that one. Great bargain.
The early cars 2014-15 seem to be going for mid 30's here now, and that includes Performance spec and also AP1.

If you don't mind being limited to AP1 and having the nosecone (and getting free SuC) then there are deals to be had here.

slave1 · 08-06-2021 01:50PM

ELM327 wrote: »

If you don't mind being limited to AP1 and having the nosecone (and getting free SuC) then there are deals to be had here.

I've had AP 2.0 and 2.5 on loaners and being honest prefer 1.0.
1.0 is way smoother in keeping between the lines, above that and it's jerky.
Also I've never had phantom breaking with 1.0 and had a few examples in both 2.0/2.5 and it's not pretty.
Navigate on Autopilot not that great when you've lots of junctions or any roundabouts/lights en route.
I know 1.0 is different company and now dead in terms of upkeep but I'd prefer it

This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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