Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

gozunda · 06-06-2021 01:56PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Taking stuff out of context? You explicitly said -
Which is it? 'Never has been' or 'couple of weeks'?

Well tbf its Varadkar who says a couple of weeks

But no its never been about a simplified "overwhelming the hospitals' as some seem fond of suggesting constantly

NIAC Fanboy · 06-06-2021 01:58PM

gozunda wrote: »

See above. Trouble with taking stuff out of context and simplifying it is just that. Varadkars comments in that article explicitly refer to avoiding a spike for a "couple of weeks" but more importantly he refer to flattening the curve ie keeping infection down which is what has been the primary aim right up to now. But nooo its only about "hospitals been overwhelmed" :rolleyes:

Are you going to tell us where the 1700 beds came from?

NIAC Fanboy · 06-06-2021 02:02PM

gozunda wrote: »

But no its never been about a simplified "overwhelming the hospitals' as some seem fond of suggesting constantly

Maybe read what Leo said again, slowly this time.

But the objective in a couple of weeks time is to flatten the curve then so that we don't have a single spike at the same time that would overwhelm the health service.

Graham · 06-06-2021 02:03PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Are you going to tell us where the 1700 beds came from?

Do you think the source of beds going to speed up or slow down the relaxing of restrictions?

suicide_circus · 06-06-2021 02:06PM

You'd easily get irritated with the usual suspects spouting the same overcautious hand wringing rhetoric but then you remember that they've been subjected to the most intense champaign of fear coupled with the most severe curtailment of civil liberties seen in our lifetime.

Graham · 06-06-2021 02:08PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

You'd easily get irritated with the usual suspects spouting the same overcautious hand wringing rhetoric but then you remember that they've been subjected to the most intense champaign of fear waged on the population coupled with the most severe curtailment of civil liberties seen in our lifetime.

Bizarrely it's the ones who would rather throw caution to the wind that are incessantly scaremongering about permanent lockdowns and restrictions.

I don't get it, things are opening up now.

Maybe you're right, they're just hand-wringing out of fear.

Penfailed · 06-06-2021 02:11PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well tbf its Varadkar who says a couple of weeks tbf

But no its never been about a simplified "overwhelming the hospitals' as some seem fond of suggesting constantly

Except when Varadkar explicitly said it was. I'm not sure why you're going to battle on this. You don't have to be right about everything.

suicide_circus · 06-06-2021 02:11PM

Graham wrote: »

Bizarrely it's the ones who would rather throw caution to the wind that are incessantly scaremongering about permanent lockdowns and restrictions.

I don't get it, things are opening up now.

Maybe you're right, they're just hand-wringing out of fear.

You see, speeding up the process of opening up when the vast majority of vulnerable people have received a vaccine is not "throwing caution to the wind". Not even slightly.

NIAC Fanboy · 06-06-2021 02:12PM

Graham wrote: »

Do you think the source of beds going to speed up or slow down the relaxing of restrictions?

Probably sensible not to put it all at risk because a few muppets can't wait another couple of weeks to drink in a beer garden/pub.

Are you going to explain this for me please?

"put it all at risk"

What consequences might come from these "muppets" drinking outside the last couple of months?

NIAC Fanboy · 06-06-2021 02:16PM

Graham wrote: »

Bizarrely it's the ones who would rather throw caution to the wind that are incessantly scaremongering about permanent lockdowns and restrictions.

I don't get it, things are opening up now.

Maybe you're right, they're just hand-wringing out of fear.

If we had opened outdoor on May 24th and indoor in 2 weeks time do you think that would have disastrous consequences?

Graham · 06-06-2021 02:16PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Probably sensible not to put it all at risk because a few muppets can't wait another couple of weeks to drink in a beer garden/pub.

Indeed, my thoughts exactly.

Relax restrictions, assess the impact, relax restrictions, assess the impact.

Rinse and repeat as more of the population become vaccinated and the risks decrease.

gozunda · 06-06-2021 02:19PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Except when Varadkar explicitly said it was. I'm not sure why you're going to battle on this. You don't have to be right about everything.

Correction as per that article not me btw...

Penfailed wrote: »

Except when Varadkar explicitly said it was

For a "couple of weeks" ...

But its a discussion - so I guess we can leave it there..

NIAC Fanboy · 06-06-2021 02:20PM

Graham wrote: »

Indeed, my thoughts exactly.

Relax restrictions, assess the impact, relax restrictions, assess the impact.

Rinse and repeat as more of the population become vaccinated and the risks decrease.

And if we speed it up a bit what do you think the consequences might be?

When you say "put it all at risk" what kind of deaths and hospitalisation do you envisage?

Graham · 06-06-2021 02:23PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

And if we speed it up a bit what do you think the consequences might be?

Do you know what, for the sake of a few more weeks I'm quite happy not to find out. I'm quite ok with a measured easing of restrictions.

You of course are welcome to wind yourself up over it for the next month if you think it's going to make a difference.

We were out and about for the day yesterday, it's great to see so many pubs and restaurants get their outdoor spaces ready for next week. Good to see things moving in the right direction.

GT89 · 06-06-2021 02:29PM

Graham wrote: »

Do you know what, for the sake of a few more weeks I'm quite happy not to find out. I'm quite ok with a measured easing of restrictions.

You of course are welcome to wind yourself up over it for the next month if you think it's going to make a difference.

We were out and about for the day yesterday, it's great to see so many pubs and restaurants get their outdoor spaces ready for next week. Good to see things moving in the right direction.

"For the sake of a few weeks" I've been hearing that since March 2020

NIAC Fanboy · 06-06-2021 02:34PM

Graham wrote: »

Do you know what, for the sake of a few more weeks I'm quite happy not to find out. I'm quite ok with a measured easing of restrictions.

You of course are welcome to wind yourself up over it for the next month if you think it's going to make a difference.

We were out and about for the day yesterday, it's great to see so many pubs and restaurants get their outdoor spaces ready for next week. Good to see things moving in the right direction.

So you are claiming people are "putting it all at risk" but when pressed you can't give any details of what you mean.

Just keep deflecting.

NIAC Fanboy · 06-06-2021 02:37PM

GT89 wrote: »

"For the sake of a few weeks" I've been hearing that since March 2020

The next 2 weeks are crucial.

Although I notice they have quietly dropped that lately, even in reference to the delta explosive multipler effect in limerick.

They all know its over but won't admit it.

Graham · 06-06-2021 02:39PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

So you are claiming people are "putting it all at risk" but when pressed you can't give any details of what you mean.

Just keep deflecting.

No, I'm saying there's no point putting it at risk.

Look at the UK now; depending on the data the UK government are 'open' to delaying the 21st June reopening.

I'd rather we didn't have to consider backtracking just so a few impatients can sit at a bar a couple of weeks earlier.

gozunda · 06-06-2021 02:41PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Are you going to tell us where the 1700 beds came from?

Jaysus Fanboy - do you have to keep on repeating the same old again and again?
The rest of us have things to do you know

But let's but this to "bed"

So in a reply to this comment about healthcare resources made available during the Pandemic.

gozunda wrote:

...kept numbers low and built up the necessary resource base treat those who needed care.

You came out with this gem

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

We built up fack all resource....

So I posted a detailed account of the resources made available including this

gozunda wrote:

As to resources - you may have missed it but yes hospitals here increased capacity with up to a 1700 covid patients being dealt in dedicated covid wards and icu.

And your bizarre reply to that and I quote

"NIAC wrote:

...

where the 1700 beds came from?

Now what the fuk has that got to do with your original premise that the hse etc did not build up the necessary resource base treat those who needed care?

But more importantly are you suggesting covid patients shouldn't be treated at all?

But If you now wish to talk about the allocation of hospital beds and the HSE - I think there's a thread for that somewhere.

xhomelezz · 06-06-2021 03:07PM

I see some people are not even able to read posts, just making some twisted magic with the letters in their heads, amazing!

Rayne Wooney · 06-06-2021 03:21PM

Is that 1,258 cases in the last 72 hours and no hospital admissions?

Pre vaccine days 60-80 people would have been to hospital in the last 3 days with about 25 deaths too.

Striking contrast there, we are in completely different times now.

06-06-2021 03:41PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Is that 1,258 cases in the last 72 hours and no hospital admissions?

Pre vaccine days 60-80 people would have been to hospital in the last 3 days with about 25 deaths too.

Striking contrast there, we are in completely different times now.

Hospital admission data is accessible to confirm you are wrong

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/0814b13a2f2b4458a36105502c8e92e8

Parachutes · 06-06-2021 04:58PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Probably sensible not to put it all at risk because a few muppets can't wait another couple of weeks to drink in a beer garden/pub.

Are you going to explain this for me please?

"put it all at risk"

What consequences might come from these "muppets" drinking outside the last couple of months?

So how many “just a couple of weeks” have we had at this stage?

TomSweeney · 06-06-2021 05:49PM

Boggles wrote: »

What would you call a Neo-Nazi wannabe?

Also this is probably the thing that jumps out most at me.

But for some reason you got upset over a Nazi being labelled far right?

Again, this is not the point here, the point is the article is basically trying to equate any disagreement with the heavy lockdown approach with "far right".

It's like the protests in Dublin a few months back, a few idiots threw a sparkler at a Gardai and it was a neo nazi rally , therefore anyone that dares question the government in keeping people out of work for the last year , the suffering of people's mental health is a nazi bigot.

So then there are some that would be scared to say anything as they don't want to be associated with this.

Sure look at the cute pictures of those dogs in Melbourne - sure lockdown is great !!! - don't you dare bring up anything negative about lockdowns and the Gardai beating people up at Dublin Airport for the crime of getting on a plane - you far right BIGOT!!!

TomSweeney · 06-06-2021 06:04PM

JRant wrote: »

Cases numbers have remained stable, not elevated. Which would also mean there were no spikes. As an aside, when you/they say elevated, what do you mean by that? Elevated against what exactly. The numbers are steady and have been for a while now, which is good news. We have also seen hospital numbers drop considerably, indicating a decoupling of case numbers to hospital figures. This is important as the hospital figures are now the only ones that count. With 80 people in hospital and 3 million vaccines administered it's probably time to drop the emergency health bill requirements and let society start to return to normal.

Yes indeed but they don't want it to return to normal.

Look at them going on about an outdoor summer, and then the SS division of the Gardai are out on the streets dispersing crowds - that are gathering OUTSIDE in warm sunny weather.

This is Orwellian , and it's sad people can't see what's happening.

Again, I ask people , the people on here that are loving this, at what point will you say this is too much ??

When the Gards are out on the streets blocking people from gathering when we have 100% of the population vaccinated - or at the airports fining people €2,000 for leaving the country , will you say "enough is enough" then?

TomSweeney · 06-06-2021 06:12PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

There’s been more guards in hospital over the last 48 hours than covid admissions.

We are venturing into murky waters here, surely the government needs to admit they’ve fcuked up this reopening and need to look at an earlier reopening schedule.

200 person outdoor events officially allowed on the 5th of July when far more than this have been mixing in town over the past 3/4 weeks is just nonsensical, thousands attending events in other countries already. House parties rampant all over the country - 6 people at a table in a pub/restaurant with no silly time limit has to make more sense than what’s happening right now.

We were told hospitals were the issue, hospitals now clearly aren’t an issue. There’s been 0 admissions in the last 48 hours with 945 new cases, that’s 0% if my maths doesn’t fail me. We need to roll the 5th of July date back two weeks to the 21st at minimum, a month behind the UK is reasonable. That gives us at least another 600,000 doses, anyone who genuinely needs to be vaccinated will be doubled up by then surely, every other adult can decide for themselves what risk level they’re taking with covid from there.

Again they will keep shifting the goalposts , do you remember it was "restrictions untill the vulnerable are vaccinated" ?

Wait till you see even when 100% are vaccinated it will be "restrictions untill covid is completely wiped out" - which of course will never happen as it's an endemic virus, but they know this and this is what they want.

TomSweeney · 06-06-2021 06:13PM

Graham wrote: »

Covid is the issue, it's still the issue although I'd absolutely agree hospitalisation figures are vastly improved.

We've all had over a year of this, the risks decrease with every week as more people get vaccinated.

Probably sensible not to put it all at risk because a few muppets can't wait another couple of weeks to drink in a beer garden/pub.

How is that "putting it all at risk" ?

All the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated, what could go wrong ???

apart from your handy working from home for good number ...

Graham · 06-06-2021 06:17PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

How is that "putting it all at risk" ?

All the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated, what could go wrong ???

apart from your handy working from home for good number ...

The elderly and vulnerable aren't all vaccinated yet.

Covid still spreads outside the elderly and vulnerable.

The more covid spreads, the more chance of variants.

You know all this, why pretend you don't?

We're on the right track right now, would be good if we don't get derailed.

Graham · 06-06-2021 06:18PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Yes indeed but they don't want it to return to normal.

Needs more tinfoil.

GT89 · 06-06-2021 06:24PM

Graham wrote: »

The elderly and vulnerable aren't all vaccinated yet.

Covid still spreads outside the elderly and vulnerable.

The more covid spreads, the more chance of variants.

You know all this, why pretend you don't?

We're on the right track right now, would be good if we don't get derailed.

Explain why a whole host of US states have lifted all restrictions such as Texas and Florida and haven't had mass outbreaks or deaths since they've opened up.

The vaccines are supposed to protect against the variants if they don't then the vaccines were pointless and we have to stop running from it and just accept.

People in their 40s and 50s with no underlying conditions have now gotten the vaccine so saying not all elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated is incorrect. Time to stop running from the virus and just accept it and get on with life it isn't gonna overwhelm the health service anymore.

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