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Get Real · 06-06-2021 12:58PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Don’t baton charge the first group of young people you see.

This has never been the case. Head into town now, you'll see guards walking around, people pinting, and everything very cordial and friendly.

If a girl is glassed, shop staff attacked, and scrotes are asked to move on and don't, a baton charge after 9 hours of a soft approach is perfectly acceptable imo.

If you're not involved, but still feel it's okay to to sit and watch violence as you sup your cans, and haven't moved off by the 20th request..and then you also still don't move off when you see clearly the guards are closing the street, why stay on the principle of "but my caannnnss!"?

Clearly the situation is dangerous enough to say "lads let's head somewhere quieter, a bit more off side" ?

Watching while people are attacked, crime is being committed and still staying, you're part of the problem imo. Because you're creating an atmosphere of acceptability for the scrotes, by maintaining a carnival atmosphere, and sure once it doesn't directly affect you, you're alright Jack.

06-06-2021 01:01PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

whilst nursing homes were left open.

I wonder why my uncle suffering from dementia in a nursing home didn't get a visit for 12 months then?

There are plenty of people out, including young people enjoying the sun and having a few drinks.
Somehow they don't need to be moved on by public order units......wonder what they are doing different to the 'youths' in town last night???.

Valhallapt · 06-06-2021 01:02PM

Witcher wrote: »

'Deprivation' lol

Doesn't suit your natative:

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-silc/surveyonincomeandlivingconditionssilc2019/povertyanddeprivation/

Witcher wrote: »

In 2019, 17.8% of the population were defined as living in enforced deprivation, i.e. experienced two or more of the eleven types of deprivation.

I'm not excusing criminal actions, but the actions of the government have made this situation much worse. Baton charging them isn't going to improve the situation.

Valhallapt · 06-06-2021 01:04PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I wonder why my uncle suffering from dementia in a nursing home didn't get a visit for 12 months then?

They closed them after the schools, during the first wave grandkids were going into nursing homes to visit grandparents as school was shut, sorry it doesn't suit you agenda

Kermit.de.frog · 06-06-2021 01:05PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I'm not excusing criminal actions, but...

...but you are

Valhallapt · 06-06-2021 01:08PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

...but you are

No i am not. I reject the need to baton charge groups of youths and indiscriminately hit them to close down a street. Dublin has always had a problem with anti social behaviour, it needs to be dealt with firmly, the gardai lost control of the situation and and let rip at anyone in their way.

Larbre34 · 06-06-2021 01:12PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Doesn't suit your natative:

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-silc/surveyonincomeandlivingconditionssilc2019/povertyanddeprivation/

I'm not excusing criminal actions, but the actions of the government have made this situation much worse. Baton charging them isn't going to improve the situation.

Oh I dunno, a fella is far less likely to be interested in setting a barrel bin or a planter on fire when he's dealing with a concussion.

Carry on Garda.

Witcher · 06-06-2021 01:12PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Doesn't suit your natative:

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-silc/surveyonincomeandlivingconditionssilc2019/povertyanddeprivation/

I'm not excusing criminal actions, but the actions of the government have made this situation much worse. Baton charging them isn't going to improve the situation.

You are excusing criminal actions, any 'but' is an excuse.

Valhallapt · 06-06-2021 01:15PM

Witcher wrote: »

You are excusing criminal actions, any 'but' is an excuse.

I’m not excusing anyone, I’m highlighting that gardai handled it badly. Scrotes will be scrotes, I’ve never been to Dublin and not see some kind of anti social behaviour, but also I’ve never been to Dublin and seen the gardai closing down whole streets to stop a couple of scrotes

Witcher · 06-06-2021 01:15PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I’m not excusing anyone, I’m highlighting that gardai handled it badly. Scrotes will be scrotes, I’ve never been to Dublin and not see some kind of anti social behaviour, but also I’ve never been to Dublin and seen the gardai closing down whole streets to stop a couple of scrotes

Any 'but' is an excuse.

bb12 · 06-06-2021 01:16PM

I find images of rows of shield bearing and baton charging gardai in our capital city very disturbing. it's reminicent of scenes from eastern europe in the 80s. there's always been trouble makers in crowds but i've never seen such heavy handed behaviour instigated by the law enforcers before and it is unsettling if you step back and look at the bigger picture.

for the past few years there's been gangs running riot in north co dublin hitting various towns along the train line at different weekends, where they caused chaois smashing peoples windscreens of parked cars and generally being a menace, but there was barely ever any gardai response to that at all...now it's the other extreme in the city centre...i'm sure the majority were out having a good time and inevitably probably got caught up in this response by gardai,

i also find it disturbing that there are so many of the population baying for the blood of the youth, as if every single person in town over the last few days deserved to be knocked out by a baton. these young are our future and the future of the country.
yes of course there will always be a bad element in society but i think the gardai should be dealing with this in a more focused way going straight to the source, not coralling everyone with batons and shields.

in my view it's a sad precedent which is currently being set and as a citizen who hasnt really thought about the extra powers which the government has given themselves so far, it's now making me question this more

Dempo1 · 06-06-2021 01:16PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

First of all a handful of people caused this issue, not all youth.

They were the first pulled out of education, whilst nursing homes were left open, doing the opposite of that would have cut the death rate by half and not damaged educational attainment, and long term prospects.

Most of the “scrotes” were born into socioeconomic deprivation, they didn’t win the gene pool lottery. Their support services were cancelled first.

The service industry is disproportionately served by young people, bar & staff tend to be younger.

They were told from the start that the virus doesn’t hurt them, but hold firm for the greater good, which they largely did, but with 3 million jabs been given out they are still not allowed to socialise a little outside.

Tony holohan singled them out for hate on Twitter.

They have played by the rules for 18 months under what has been a shambolic management of the virus, with the most strict lockdown in Europe, with the EU and several ambassadors having to tell the Irish government to relax the authoritarian actions.

They held firm, let them have their day in the sun.

Handle the scrotes no different than how they were handled pre pandemic. Don’t baton charge the first group of young people you see.

The CMO singled out youth for Hate? WTF, nursing homes left open? How did that end?

I'll just stop there, the rest just dillusional garbage.

Every section of society suffered, we don't see marauding adults, front line workers, elderly people rampaging in the streets. There's one thing your completely missing and that's selfishness, forget the violence, forget the taking the P*** (literally) these charming youth put livelyhoods at stake, forcing struggling businesses to close and stopping any potential customers getting into the city centre.

That's we're ill leave my contribution to your bizzare opinion on this matter.

06-06-2021 01:17PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

They closed them after the schools, during the first wave grandkids were going into nursing homes to visit grandparents as school was shut, sorry it doesn't suit you agenda

No they were not doing that during the first wave.
Sorry you're wrong.

Witcher · 06-06-2021 01:17PM

bb12 wrote: »

I find images of rows of shield bearing and baton charging gardai in our capital city very disturbing. it's reminicent of scenes from eastern europe in the 80s. there's always been trouble makers in crowds but i've never seen such heavy handed behaviour instigated by the law enforcers before and it is unsettling if you step back and look at the bigger picture.

for the past few years there's been gangs running riot in north co dublin hitting various towns along the train line at different weekends, where they caused chaois smashing peoples windscreens of parked cars and generally being a menace, but there was barely ever any gardai response to that at all...now it's the other extreme in the city centre...i'm sure the majority were out having a good time and inevitably probably got caught up in this response by gardai,

i also find it disturbing that there are so many of the population baying for the blood of the youth, as if every single person in town over the last few days deserved to be knocked out by a baton. these young are future and the future of the country.
yes of course there will always be a bad element in society but i think the gardai should be dealing with this in a more focused way going straight to the source, not coralling everyone with batons and shields.

in view it's a sad precedent which is currently being set and as a citizen who hasnt really thought about the extra powers which the government has given themselves so far, it's now making me question this more

Yes because that's the first thing they did. Nothing else at all.

Stop watching Twitter videos and swallowing them hook, line and sinker

Sierra Oscar · 06-06-2021 01:23PM

bb12 wrote: »

in my view it's a sad precedent which is currently being set and as a citizen who hasnt really thought about the extra powers which the government has given themselves so far, it's now making me question this more

I don't really get the constant referral to the 'extra powers' that Gardaí are using.

The Gardaí are utilising their powers under the Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act, 1994 and the Dublin City Council (Prohibition Of Consumption Of Intoxicating Liquor On Roads And In Public Places), Bye-Laws 2008.

Not a single arrest or action was taken under the Health Act, 1947 in which the Covid emergency powers are legislated for.

The Gardaí have always been fairly strict on street drinking when public order issues start to arise. They have always had the power to issue fines, seize alcohol (including unopened and concealed containers) and to arrest persons for being intoxicated in public or causing public order related issues.

Larbre34 · 06-06-2021 01:27PM

Some people need to stop the hand wringing over this stuff.

If your daughter was being harassed or your son beaten up by this filth, or indeed your business premises damaged, you'd be only delighted to see a bunch of Guards with batons and shields arrive on the scene.

These little b@st@rds who organise on social media to go places and cause mayhem understand no reason, no social responsibility. They understand seeing stars when they get a smack over the back of the head.

Witcher · 06-06-2021 01:30PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Some people need to stop the hand wringing over this stuff.

If your daughter was being harassed or your son beaten up by this filth, or indeed your business premises damaged, you'd be only delighted to see a bunch of Guards with batons and shields arrive on the scene.

These little b@st@rds who organise on social media to go places and cause mayhem understand no reason, no social responsibility. They understand seeing stars when they get a smack over the back of the head.

Tbh reading some of the posts here, some are so eager to appease the mob and be righteous that they'd nearly hand them over like Lot's Daughters.

Valhallapt · 06-06-2021 01:32PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

The CMO singled out youth for Hate? WTF, nursing homes left open? How did that end?

I'll just stop there, the rest just dillusional garbage.

Every section of society suffered, we don't see marauding adults, front line workers, elderly people rampaging in the streets. There's one thing your completely missing and that's selfishness, forget the violence, forget the taking the P*** (literally) these charming youth put livelyhoods at stake, forcing struggling businesses to close and stopping any potential customers getting into the city centre.

That's we're ill leave my contribution to your bizzare opinion on this matter.

You have some appetite for revisionist history.

All schools closed on the 12th of Match, by the 20th of March the HSE still had not issued any guidance to nursing homes.

Nursing homes themselves started restricting visitors from around the 18th. But tony holohan took to the airwaves to say that restricting visits to nursing homes would be detremental to residents health and urged nursing homes to stay open. He also stated that masks were not necessary.

Now 18 months later, he is tweeting pictures of youth outside in the sunshine, and letting it be known that he disapproved of this action, next weekend, the gardai baton charge groups of youths. heavy handed actions from a poorly trained force.

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-coronavirus-nursing-homes-hse-residential-care-5080182-Apr2020/

lawrencesummers · 06-06-2021 01:39PM

Anyone else really looking forward to next weekend?

Get Real · 06-06-2021 01:42PM

bb12 wrote: »

I find images of rows of shield bearing and baton charging gardai in our capital city very disturbing. it's reminicent of scenes from eastern europe in the 80s.

Care to comment on the video below? Cars can't pass, guards calmly moving people on, nobody being baton charged, no drink even being taken. Now imagine this softly softly approach happening 20 times.

The most peaceful way possible being used, and only when necessary at that.

Now picture its 9pm, there's people bleeding, crowds so thick ambulances can't get to them, guards can't get in and identify culprits. And people, who've been either not approached all day, or been approached in the calmest way possible, then complain.

You're taking the last resort tactics, and implying they're used from the get go. Which is clearly not the case.

If it was 1980s Eastern Europe, or even modern day Spain, water cannon would be spraying from 1pm. Don't take a situation of being allowed to drink all day, and last resort tactics being used where necessary, and turn it into being a victim of some sort of police state.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeEBEemE/

Larbre34 · 06-06-2021 01:42PM

Witcher wrote: »

Tbh reading some of the posts here, some are so eager to appease the mob and be righteous that they'd nearly hand over them over like Lot's Daughters.

Absolutely. They go all amnesty ireland when it's happening to someone else.

Its the job of every citizen now to support the free, full and unencumbered opening of our great local businesses and make sure they stay that way. That means supporting the stopping of anti social filth every time, every place in any way.

walshb · 06-06-2021 01:44PM

Witcher wrote: »

Tbh reading some of the posts here, some are so eager to appease the mob and be righteous that they'd nearly hand them over like Lot's Daughters.

It’s obscene, but not surprising with some the attitudes here.

What way do people propose that our gardai, our protectors confront and reason with mobs of violence? Sit down for a cosy chat?

Nobody is condoning wanton police violence, or asking for police to beat the bejaysus out of any mobs, but all police forces absolutely have to use physical force at times to protect society..

PalLimerick · 06-06-2021 01:47PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Fully agree, talking to those muppets clearly doesn't work so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-H8VoSpZbw

Have you talked to them?

Kermit.de.frog · 06-06-2021 01:47PM

walshb wrote: »

It’s obscene, but not surprising with some the attitudes here.

What way do people propose that our gardai, our protectors confront and reason with mobs of violence? Sit down for a cosy chat?

Nobody is condoning wanton police violence, or asking for police to beat the bejaysus out of any mobs, but all police forces absolutely have to use physical force at times to protect society..

Let's not forget residents in the area saying how they are afraid to leave their homes from late afternoon. Not only about the businesses.

PalLimerick · 06-06-2021 01:48PM

Get Real wrote: »

Care to comment on the video below? Cars can't pass, guards calmly moving people on, nobody being baton charged. Now imagine this softly softly approach happening 20 times.

The most peaceful way possible being used, and only when necessary at that.

Now picture its 9pm, there's people bleeding, crowds so thick ambulances can't get to them, guards can't get in and identify culprits. And people, who've been either not approached all day, or been approached in the calmest way possible, then complain.

You're taking the last resort tactics, and implying they're used from the get go. Which is clearly not the case.

If it was 1980s Eastern Europe, or even modern day Spain, water cannon would be spraying from 1pm. Don't take a situation of being allowed to drink all day, and last resort tactics being used where necessary, and turn it into being a victim of some sort of police state.

How do you know all that you type to be true?

walshb · 06-06-2021 01:55PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I’m not excusing anyone, I’m highlighting that gardai handled it badly. Scrotes will be scrotes, I’ve never been to Dublin and not see some kind of anti social behaviour, but also I’ve never been to Dublin and seen the gardai closing down whole streets to stop a couple of scrotes

A couple of scrotes?

You’re on a wind up here..

Get Real · 06-06-2021 01:59PM

PalLimerick wrote: »

How do you know all that you type to be true?

It's literally in the video I posted. Guards moving people on, calmly, not seizing drink.

There are articles in the newspapers on people being glassed, there are articles about a shop window being broken and staff attacked.

I was drinking myself in the Green.

I saw with my own eyes a nice cordial atmosphere.

I saw the videos of batons and shields out.

And from this I can only come to the conclusion, that the poster claiming Soviet tactics is wrong. That they are using clips of last resort tactics and trying to make it seem like they're used from the get go.

Which is not what I've seen with my own eyes, read about in the news or seen by doing my own research and seeing footage of. Like all the videos below.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeEBnheP/

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeEBKJkn/

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeEBq8oN/

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeEBnaPw/

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeEBpT86/

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeEBHxXC/

In none of these videos do I see Eastern European police tactics. In one of them I see guards moving people calmly, not seizing drink.

In another i see them escorting an ambulance so it can get in.

In another i can see crowds wedged shoulder to shoulder, partying.

In another I see lads enjoying themselves and rallying around a speaker.

This is why I do not believe taking two or three clips, from the end of a night, as a last resort and safety tactic, after people have been assaulted and various crimes occurred and equating it with the gestapo, as something to be true.

Sam Quentin · 06-06-2021 02:07PM

It's very easy for all those who were asked nicely to disperse to go on their merry way..... And after the hundred time of asking it's still very easy to tip-on..... And when the sheeeeet hits the fan it's also very easy to get out of dodge.. but NO.. all those guys & gals understand is a good old riot!? NO RESPECT AND NO MANNERS. Kids:: because of social media, think they can do as they please without consequences. Real life is not the same and shouldn't be.

JP Liz V1 · 06-06-2021 02:14PM

Where are the parents of these minors, they should have some control, fine them high on the spot, I think maybe a curfew for minors would be beneficial

jackboy · 06-06-2021 02:16PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Where are the parents of these minors, they should have some control, fine them high on the spot, I think maybe a curfew for minors would be beneficial

Banning young people from going outside. 😂

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