Covid-19 likely to be man made

04-06-2021 03:41PM

robinph wrote: »

That would require all scientist worldwide to be signed up to the same idea of keeping the secret and not wanting to risk giving their international colleagues a bad name.

Or losing their job or getting their funding cut..

Dohnjoe · 04-06-2021 03:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is the three lads going to hospital then too..
That puts the lab theories in pole position I reckon..

It's brilliant how on absolutely every point there's immediately a rebuttal though, backed up with whatever..

Some are very into their arguing about conspiracy theories on the Internet..

There have been dozens of conspiracies and notions put forward about Covid on this forum in the last year, none have turned out to have any inkling of truth, and the "man-made" one is literally the last surviving one, and only because it's being constantly conflated with the lab-leak theory

It represents the "final hope" for those who want a conspiracy answer out of all this

robinph · 04-06-2021 03:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Or losing their job or getting their funding cut..

So you have all governments, all civil servants, all not yet elected politicians who are standing in the next election, all politicians who lost in the last election, all scientist, all universities, all funding bodies, all pharma companies and their employees worldwide in on this conspiracy...yet nobody has broken their silence.

Dohnjoe · 04-06-2021 03:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Or losing their job or getting their funding cut..

I sincerely hope you aren't suggesting it's possible that all scientists in the world, millions of them, are some hivemind that could coerced without a single leak..

because that's getting into very tinfoil territory..

04-06-2021 03:49PM

robinph wrote: »

So you have all governments, all civil servants, all not yet elected politicians who are standing in the next election, all politicians who lost in the last election, all scientist, all universities, all funding bodies, all pharma companies and their employees worldwide in on this conspiracy...yet nobody has broken their silence.

Quite a few have..and were immediately written off as cranks..
Our very own head of shannondoc did and was fired over it..
60000 health workers signed that declaration and were just ignored..
Dealing with the kind of vitriol we frequently see here and losing your job probably wasn't worth it to a lot of them..

I'm not saying that's how the sciences are controlled..but that's kind of how the sciences are controlled..

04-06-2021 03:50PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

because that's getting into very tinfoil territory..

See?..

Dohnjoe · 04-06-2021 03:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

See?..

I'm not saying that's how the sciences are controlled..but that's kind of how the sciences are controlled..

That sounds like a yes - you are rationalising to yourself that somehow millions of scientists around the globe could be controlled.

I suspect what you'll do now is walk that back by reducing the argument down to "theoretically a portion of scientists could be controlled", etc

04-06-2021 03:56PM

geospatial wrote: »

If we imagine for a moment that the virus had a WIV lab origin and was a manipulated virus, I'm not sure we can trust any government to disclose it. It would be absolutely devastating to the research virology community and the broader scientific community.

Ok. But you didn't really answer my question. Could you please address it directly?

If the American investigation doesn't produce evidence adequate to your standards, do you believe that this will be due to a cover up on their part?
If that's the case, why do you believe that they are now giving more credence to the lab origin theory?

geospatial wrote: »

There are at least five explanations on SARS-2 origin. 1. It evolved naturally within mammals like a pangolin and jumped to humans. 2. It jumped directly to humans from bats. 3. It evolved in a setting like a mink farm via cell passaging. 4. It evolved in a lab via cell passaging. 5. It is the result of research similar to other known research where elements from one virus are inserted into another.

All five are possible. 1. is most likely although 3. might explain how it evolved to be so well adapted to mammals.

Ok. What about the other explanations that have been posted in this forum?
That it was a bioweapon?
That it was created from scratch?
That it was released on purpose as part of a global conspiracy to cause a pandemic?
Can we discount these explanations?

04-06-2021 03:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

60000 health workers signed that declaration and were just ignored..

Which declaration and why was it ignored?

brendanwalsh · 04-06-2021 04:00PM

Fauci knew this thing was man made and tried to bury it. Disgraceful.

banie01 · 04-06-2021 04:03PM

robinph wrote: »

So you have all governments, all civil servants, all not yet elected politicians who are standing in the next election, all politicians who lost in the last election, all scientist, all universities, all funding bodies, all pharma companies and their employees worldwide in on this conspiracy...yet nobody has broken their silence.

I don't get it either TBH.

It's almost like there is a pervasive belief that there is no competition for funding, kudos or fame amongst Scientists and institutions.
That "they" are a Hivemind intent on selling the world on a lie :eek:
Rather than disagree or challenge each other

Because that's how science works, they always agree with each other!
Damn scientists :pac:

mcmoustache · 04-06-2021 04:05PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Fauci knew this thing was man made and tried to bury it. Disgraceful.

Oh go on then. What makes you think that?

04-06-2021 04:06PM

King Mob wrote: »

Which declaration and why was it ignored?

https://gbdeclaration.org/

Sorry..850,000 now..

And it was ignored because the illuminati want you to get vaccinated so you'll be a magnet and give off 5g and have nanobots in you..

Dohnjoe · 04-06-2021 04:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://gbdeclaration.org/

Sorry..850,000 now..

And it was ignored because the illuminati want you to get vaccinated so you'll be a magnet and give off 5g and have nanobots in you..

This thing again. You do realise that can be signed as a "concerned citizen", or anyone you choose to sign it as a medical scientist or doctor right?

Create the same thing but for reinvestigation into the moon landings or 9/11 and you'll get hundreds of thousands of "signees". I'm not putting it down, doctors can be concerned about the effects of lockdown, but an internet poll anyone can sign is pretty meaningless.

astrofool · 04-06-2021 04:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://gbdeclaration.org/

Sorry..850,000 now..

And it was ignored because the illuminati want you to get vaccinated so you'll be a magnet and give off 5g and have nanobots in you..

Sorry, but you have become a parody account, it looks sarcastic for any other user while also looking exactly like something you would post seriously.

Anyway.

Do people understand yet the difference between the origin of the virus and that it may or may not have leaked from a lab?

That there are many new virus discovered each year that are definitely not man made and definitely not from labs but just happen to be not as virulent.

That 2 very close relatives of this virus were discovered this century such that SARS-COV2 isn't a surprise to most virologists.

That the attack vector the virus uses is not something that came from a man made virus as there was no genetic blueprint to follow even if someone was setting out to make a virus like SARS-COV2.

04-06-2021 04:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://gbdeclaration.org/

Sorry..850,000 now..

Ok. And of those 850,000 how many have been punished?

Deleted User wrote: »

And it was ignored because the illuminati want you to get vaccinated so you'll be a magnet and give off 5g and have nanobots in you..

The funny thing is that this answer isn't too far off what is being suggested in this forum.

However, the fact you can't provide a serious answer is also illustrative.
You believe there is some kind conspiracy behind the lockdowns, but you don't want to admit as much as that would undermine you attempts to pretend to have reasonable concerns about the origin of the virus. I suspect that you also believe some conspiracy theory there also, but you don't want to admit it.

astrofool · 04-06-2021 04:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://gbdeclaration.org/

Sorry..850,000 now..

And it was ignored because the illuminati want you to get vaccinated so you'll be a magnet and give off 5g and have nanobots in you..

74.15 million trumpeters to go :pac:

04-06-2021 04:14PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Fauci knew this thing was man made and tried to bury it. Disgraceful.

How do you know this?
How do you know that it was man made?
How are you defining man made?

geospatial · 04-06-2021 04:22PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's specifically located in Wuhan because it's the central location between all those different bat populations

Here is a good explainer with graphics and overlaps of the bat populations (takes 30 seconds to watch)
https://youtu.be/P8OwCCFEslQ?t=124

Thanks, that's an excellent overview and very balanced.

The WIV was founded in 1956 (ass the Wuhan Institute of Microbiology), I think they only started looking seriously at bats after the first SARS outbreak in 2003, but it makes sense that's where you would concentrate the research.

04-06-2021 04:30PM

King Mob wrote: »

The funny thing is that this answer isn't too far off what is being suggested in this forum.
.

By you lot mostly..

robinph · 04-06-2021 04:34PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://gbdeclaration.org/

Sorry..850,000 now..

And it was ignored because the illuminati want you to get vaccinated so you'll be a magnet and give off 5g and have nanobots in you..

What is so controversial about that. It just says that lockdowns are a pain in the hole.

We know that. Doesn't say anything about the potential source of the virus.

04-06-2021 04:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

By you lot mostly..

Lol What?

You are again making a very bizarre misrepresentation rather than giving a straight and honest answer.
Again, it's illustrative.

You've also again dodged the point. Which proves it. You are pretending to "just be concerned about the origins of the virus" but in reality you believe in a conspiracy theory that you don't want to outline.

geospatial · 04-06-2021 04:42PM

King Mob wrote: »

Ok. But you didn't really answer my question. Could you please address it directly?

Sorry, I though I had answered, it depends on the evidence released. I believe the US government is investigating because they have some evidence it may have originated in the lab (claims of early infections of lab personnel). Who knows what other evidence they have. The issue of course is will they get access to medical records, lab notebooks, lab data, etc. I agree with you this is unlikely, so unless a whistleblower emerges we may never know anything further on the lab questions. What viruses were they studying and had not published yet, what kind of gain of function research was going on, etc.

As for a cover up, I wouldn't use those words but there was clearly a very concerted effort in early February to dismiss any suggestion of lab origin. Released emails suggest that Peter Daszak was campaigning to get a public statement out as early as Feb 3, which was issued on Feb 17. The claims in that statement are ludicrous given they were drafted in the first week of February. Literally nothing was known at that point in terms of origin and in all honestly we are not much further along now. The denial of gain of function research is also concerning, again not a cover up but it's leaving the research community open to charges of cover up.

I would discount the other explanations you listed as in my view they are not credible.

04-06-2021 04:51PM

King Mob wrote: »

You've also again dodged the point. Which proves it. You are pretending to "just be concerned about the origins of the virus" but in reality you believe in a conspiracy theory that you don't want to outline.

I think you're projecting there..

04-06-2021 04:52PM

geospatial wrote: »

Sorry, I though I had answered, it depends on the evidence released. I .

Oh..it doesn't matter..
He'll accuse you of not answering and keep asking it anyway..

Larbre34 · 04-06-2021 04:54PM

If SARS-CoV2 was manmade, what was the original goal behind making it and why did they make such a p1ss poor job of making something effective at delibitating people, if that was indeed the aim? Because though highly infectious, the rate of serious illness remains very, very low. Also, it was always going to be an excellent candidate for vaccine development so eventually it will die back with the other seasonal flus and respiratory ailments.

Yes, it may have escaped from a lab, but referencing the above again, why would anyone be wasting their time in lab working with this class of virus? As a biological weapon its hardly fear inducing.

The most likely explanation for Covid-19 is the most obvious one and the explanation for the last half millenium of viruses that have impacted humanity - the wrong bat met the wrong pig or monkey and the ever increasing footprint of mankind on the planet meant it crossed into our foodchain or atmosphere in a series of unfortunate but entirely coincidental events.

04-06-2021 05:01PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

If SARS-CoV2 was manmade, what was the original goal behind making it and why did they make such a p1ss poor job of making something effective at delibitating people, if that was indeed the aim? .

To develop vaccines against viruses that don't exist yet..
That's the acceptable stated goal of gain of function..
Bio weapons is the unmentionable secondary goal..
It's a dual use technology..

I've posted a video of fauci saying this to Congress in 2012 somewhere in this thread..

04-06-2021 05:08PM

geospatial wrote: »

Sorry, I though I had answered, it depends on the evidence released. I believe the US government is investigating because they have some evidence it may have originated in the lab (claims of early infections of lab personnel). Who knows what other evidence they have. The issue of course is will they get access to medical records, lab notebooks, lab data, etc. I agree with you this is unlikely, so unless a whistleblower emerges we may never know anything further on the lab questions. What viruses were they studying and had not published yet, what kind of gain of function research was going on, etc.

Sorry, but that's still not an answer to my question.

If the American investigation doesn't produce evidence adequate to your standards, do you believe that this will be due to a cover up on their part?
If that's the case, why do you believe that they are now giving more credence to the lab origin theory?

So again, to clarify, say that they reach a conclusion, but they don't produce the evidence you believe they need, do you believe that this will be due them covering something up? Or is it possible that there's another reason for why they evidence is lacking? Or is it that your standard is being set arbitrarily high?

If you believe that a cover up is happening or might be happening, why do you believe the US are now giving more credence to the lad theory.
If they have evidence, yet wanted to cover it up, it doesn't make sense that they would announce that they were looking into the issue. They'd just not mention the evidence and not do anything.

So doesn't this mean the fact they are giving more credence to the lab origin shows that the government aren't part of a cover up?

geospatial wrote: »

I would discount the other explanations you listed as in my view they are not credible.

Why not?

04-06-2021 05:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think you're projecting there..

Again spouting nonsense because you can't address the point.

geospatial · 04-06-2021 05:11PM

I haven't read the whole thread, do people know what gain of function research is and why it is conducted? Basically it uses a variety of techniques to generate a novel virus in a lab and study how it may infect humans and cause disease. The goal is to try to get ahead of nature and develop therapies and vaccines.

This is an example of gain of function research, it's the one most quoted by those believing that SARS-2 could have been the result of this type of experiment, whether at WIV or elsewhere. The sentence most quoted is "we generated a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse adapted SARS-Cov backbone". This research was done at UNC under Ralph Baric and Zhengli-Li Shi from WIV is one of the authors. Published research from WIV demonstrates they were doing similar work, but there is no evidence they made the SARS-CoV 2 virus.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

Covid-19 likely to be man made

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