Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

sydthebeat · 03-06-2021 02:34PM

Ultimate loser loses once again....

Itssoeasy · 03-06-2021 05:35PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Ultimate loser loses once again....

So much win though….

I know since the election loss, there’s been dates that trump supporters have believed he will be reinstated to the office of president and shock horror those dates seem to have come and gone and all that but this august time frame seems different in that it seems to be have the support of trump himself.

banie01 · 03-06-2021 06:28PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So much win though….

I know since the election loss, there’s been dates that trump supporters have believed he will be reinstated to the office of president and shock horror those dates seem to have come and gone and all that but this august time frame seems different in that it seems to be have the support of trump himself.

CNN and Maggie Haberman are quoting sources close to Trump as saying that he believes, and has told some supporters that he will be re-instated as President in August.

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1399707794375426051?s=19

If you are interested in some of the actual lunacy that his acolytes are spouting, without destroying your Twitter algo?

@patriottakes on twitter is worth a follow.
https://twitter.com/patriottakes?s=09

Cody montana · 03-06-2021 06:50PM

Tell me how wrote: »

I can't believe some of the retrospective of what went on in last years election. and all of what you have written is fine if you consider his Presidency as being 17, 18, 19 and that the election was possibly held it Jan 2020. But it wasn't 2020 was one of the most significant years for a US Presidency, in history.

First off, Trump himself is no stranger to being viewed as old, or doddery.
But, the absolutely GIGANTIC elephant in the room, which you have completely discounted is Covid.
His reaction to it, in dismissing it, ignoring masks, wanting to prioritize the economy, shifting blame, stealing supplies on their way to other countries, telling the states they were on their own, giving false information on treatment options, undermining medical professionals, threatening to fire Fauci, being focused on the ratings at his press conferences and flat out refusing to take responsibility for it.
All of that before it emerged he made a conscious decision to downplay it at a time when they had the opportunity to get ahead of it in preparation, contracted it himself and then still continued to hold rallies in that environment.
Secondly, the also large, but small in comparison to the beast above, was his response to the BLM protests that erupted last summer. He used it as a political weapon to try to blame Democrats for instigating the protests and he practically begged state Governors to utilize the national guard and to get very tough with people who were attending them.
And several other younger but still large elephants running around the place including his attempt to cancel some members of the White House Press Corp, the 215 indictments tied to his administration, him being impeached, him only paying $750 in tax a couple of years while in the White House, his 'LIBERATE' tweets which emboldened extreme conservatives to plan to kidnap and kill a state Governor as well as storm a number of state houses and to a lesser degree, his regressive policies in relation to the Climate and Iran, his attempt even ahead of the election to detrimentally influence the electoral process with the placement of DeJoy at the head of the USPS who started to try to slow down the receipt and acceptance of postal votes. And finally, in this respect, that he never broached 50% satisfaction rating while in Office.

All that aside, Biden conclusively won the debates with the rules being changed in how they were carried out as it was evident Trump could not control himself.
Biden was very smart in not holding large rallies because A, it showed his respect and awareness of the dangers from mass gatherings, and B it drastically reduced the Trump campaign from utilising doctored videos from the rallies to make him appear weak.

And with all this being said, and as has been pointed out a number of times, he still came within 0.06% of the total ballots cast in being returned (approx 100K out of 155M) if these 100K had been in particular states.

And this is why, looking forward towards 2024, if he is there, I'm not hopeful that he will get the embarrassing hiding he deserves in spite of adding to the mix his undermining democracy, inciting an insurrection and being a total see you next Tuesday in how he handled the transition.

Breaking WaPo: The FBI is investigating Postmaster General Louis DeJoy in connection with campaign fundraising activity involving his former business, according to people familiar with the matter and a spokesman for DeJoy.

Such honest folk.

pixelburp · 03-06-2021 07:35PM

banie01 wrote: »

CNN and Maggie Haberman are quoting sources close to Trump as saying that he believes, and has told some supporters that he will be re-instated as President in August.

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1399707794375426051?s=19

If you are interested in some of the actual lunacy that his acolytes are spouting, without destroying your Twitter algo?

@patriottakes on twitter is worth a follow.
https://twitter.com/patriottakes?s=09

Have any senior military officials spoken favourably of Trump, or indeed speculated on the election's legitimacy? Cos the only way a coup could happen would be if the armed forces intervened, and that'd only happen if senior figures felt strongly enough; those weekend militia types simply wouldn't last beyond the initial shock of their actions (combined with the once bitten, twice shy effect after January) once the professionals rolled in.

Itssoeasy · 03-06-2021 07:52PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Have any senior military officials spoken favourably of Trump, or indeed speculated on the election's legitimacy? Cos the only way a coup could happen would be if the armed forces intervened, and that'd only happen if senior figures felt strongly enough; those weekend militia types simply wouldn't last beyond the initial shock of their actions (combined with the once bitten, twice shy effect after January) once the professionals rolled in.

None that I can remember. His defence secretary James Mattis resigned and HR McMasters also left and didn’t have much positive things to say about him in a podcast interview I heard from him after the fact.

There was also the statement from the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff general mark millie(sp?) around the election that the military will not be getting involved in any way.

banie01 · 03-06-2021 08:02PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Have any senior military officials spoken favourably of Trump, or indeed speculated on the election's legitimacy? /quote]

None that I'm aware of and there was a slew of 500+ senior retired military that wrote an open letter in support of Biden in Sept.

Apart from Flynn, I don't know if any senior military retirees have come out in support of the big lie.
Speaking of Flynn, I read during the week that Vindeman offered to prosecute him if courts martial were convened.

https://www.businessinsider.com/vindman-trump-prosecute-michael-flynn-for-calling-for-military-coup-2021-6

aloyisious · 03-06-2021 11:07PM

One thing that might make General Flynn's mention of the Myanmar coup possible is that Trump has the possible backing of several militia groups within the US and he also has what seems to be an increasingly-uninterrupted sotto voce support of the GOP in the Capitol and amongst grassroots state GOP parties and members. The trick Trump has pulled of linking both support bases for himself is reminiscent of what started almost 100 years ago on 21 July 1921 in Europe. It's more than possible that Trump's talk about reinstatement to office later this year is not a pipedream to him and others; that they actually believe it is possible. Flynn seems to have been emboldened by the fact that Trump pardoned him in the past for what he had done, possibly thinking he may get another pardon for his latest statement if Trump got back into office.

The only thing liable to upset Trump's cart would be a statement from the USSC that it would not countenance any political party proposing that it would be acceptable for it's leader to sit in The Oval Office with a private army at his beck and call, forcing the political party concerned to stand up to that leader [if it has the bottle] and tell him his time had come to permanently leave the national stage.

StringerBell · 03-06-2021 11:44PM

How many militia members with machine guns do you think would be enough to subdue the US army?

expectationlost · 04-06-2021 01:18AM

pixelburp wrote: »

Have any senior military officials spoken favourably of Trump, or indeed speculated on the election's legitimacy? Cos the only way a coup could happen would be if the armed forces intervened, and that'd only happen if senior figures felt strongly enough; those weekend militia types simply wouldn't last beyond the initial shock of their actions (combined with the once bitten, twice shy effect after January) once the professionals rolled in.

what about the military who were deliberately slow to act on january 6th?

aloyisious · 04-06-2021 11:09AM

StringerBell wrote: »

How many militia members with machine guns do you think would be enough to subdue the US army?

Subduing the US army with the militia is not his game, he's using discord, dissent and disorder for that purpose, ala General Flynn. AFAIK, first US military response to trouble on the streets is N/G units due to law on not using regular military against the citizens on the streets. Unfortunately the N/G to some degree has been [after a fashion] suborned by Trump's antics in respect to alleged future loss of their civil rights. They believe his lies.

Trump relies on media attention and public audience to exist. Getting the various militia groups [which have regular military and N/G persons as members] to cause uproar would be easy with a few of his chosen lies and B/S, as shown on 06 Jan. I believe he and others in his cohort would willingly use the groups again to do so. He doesn't care about their losses or the damage he's causing to the US, he sees them as losers, as shown by his words referring directly to the dead of the US regular military.

robinph · 04-06-2021 12:54PM

aloyisious wrote: »

Subduing the US army with the militia is not his game, he's using discord, dissent and disorder for that purpose, ala General Flynn. AFAIK, first US military response to trouble on the streets is N/G units due to law on not using regular military against the citizens on the streets. Unfortunately the N/G to some degree has been [after a fashion] suborned by Trump's antics in respect to alleged future loss of their civil rights. They believe his lies.

Trump relies on media attention and public audience to exist. Getting the various militia groups [which have regular military and N/G persons as members] to cause uproar would be easy with a few of his chosen lies and B/S, as shown on 06 Jan. I believe he and others in his cohort would willingly use the groups again to do so. He doesn't care about their losses or the damage he's causing to the US, he sees them as losers, as shown by his words referring directly to the dead of the US regular military.

Doesn't the command of the National Guard in DC go via the president rather than any state governor? Think it was Pence who gave the instruction on the day.

spacecoyote · 04-06-2021 04:48PM

If there was some QANON/Right Wing protest/"coup" attempt again it would be very difficult for the Reps to avoid supportig an actual proper enquiry and potential charges.

I'd say Mitch and the crew are desperately trying to hold off anything nutty happening till after the mid terms in the hope of shifting the balance of power their way before it would kick off

Quin_Dub · 04-06-2021 05:29PM

spacecoyote wrote: »

If there was some QANON/Right Wing protest/"coup" attempt again it would be very difficult for the Reps to avoid supportig an actual proper enquiry and potential charges.

I'd say Mitch and the crew are desperately trying to hold off anything nutty happening till after the mid terms in the hope of shifting the balance of power their way before it would kick off

Sadly - Not in the slightest.

As long of the core GOP support is aligned with whatever happens , then Mitch et al will nod sagely, say "isn't it terrible" and when the time comes to vote to take actual action against it they'll say "Now isn't the time for partizan attacks , let's just move on" and then filibuster it.

They have no moral compass , no sense of right and wrong . They only have a sense of holding on to power. So as long as their voters are ok with it , then they are too.

04-06-2021 05:50PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Have any senior military officials spoken favourably of Trump, or indeed speculated on the election's legitimacy? Cos the only way a coup could happen would be if the armed forces intervened, and that'd only happen if senior figures felt strongly enough; those weekend militia types simply wouldn't last beyond the initial shock of their actions (combined with the once bitten, twice shy effect after January) once the professionals rolled in.

Wasn't there a hundred or so retired generals who were supposed to have signed a letter supporting him and questioning the election outce that had the trump fans online wetting themselves with joy?

duploelabs · 04-06-2021 06:27PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Wasn't there a hundred or so retired generals who were supposed to have signed a letter supporting him and questioning the election outce that had the trump fans online wetting themselves with joy?

Except it turned out to be fraudulent and one of the generals never existed and the other never signed it

Atlantic Dawn · 04-06-2021 06:28PM

2 year ban from Facebook, madness...
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-suspended-from-facebook-for-two-years-after-praising-people-at-us-capitol-riot-12325007

duploelabs · 04-06-2021 06:28PM

Trump off Facebook for 2 years

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/04/facebook-donald-trump-oversight-board-instagram?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

04-06-2021 06:44PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

2 year ban from Facebook, madness...
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-suspended-from-facebook-for-two-years-after-praising-people-at-us-capitol-riot-12325007

I agree, it should be permanent.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-06-2021 06:51PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Trump off Facebook for 2 years

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/04/facebook-donald-trump-oversight-board-instagram?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Good, hopefully they will review it in two years and extend it.

duploelabs · 04-06-2021 06:54PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Good, hopefully they will review it in two years and extend it.

"At the end of the suspension period, Facebook said, it would work with experts to assess the risk to public safety posed by reinstating Trump’s account. “We will evaluate external factors, including instances of violence, restrictions on peaceful assembly and other markers of civil unrest,” Clegg wrote. “If we determine that there is still a serious risk to public safety, we will extend the restriction for a set period of time and continue to re-evaluate until that risk has receded.” "

aloyisious · 04-06-2021 07:09PM

From MSNBC. Former Vice President Mike Pence returned to the campaign trail last night, headlining a fundraising dinner in New Hampshire ahead of a likely 2024 presidential campaign. One point he made clear during his speech is a difference of opinion he's had with Trump about the Capitol building attack. "January 6 was a dark day in the history of the United States Capitol," Pence said. "But thanks to the swift action of the Capitol Police and federal law enforcement, violence was quelled, the Capitol was secured, and that same day we reconvened the Congress and did our duty under the Constitution and the laws of the United States." - [pause in speech] - Reading from a prepared text, Pence added, "You know, President Trump and I have spoken many times since we left office. And I don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day."

aloyisious · 04-06-2021 07:26PM

robinph wrote: »

Doesn't the command of the National Guard in DC go via the president rather than any state governor? Think it was Pence who gave the instruction on the day.

Yes, that does appear to be the facts in the case. It show's the CIC was reluctant to order the deployment of the N/G against the very people he had addressed on the issue he continues to feel very deeply about, and that he felt his 2 I/C was reluctant to defend his position. The fact that he, despite saying he would walk with his audience [to the Capitol building] didn't do so shows the degree of apathy he felt for them. He knew there would be a ****storm to follow at the Capitol.

As for the other persons present and working in that building regardless of party affiliation, well, he's spoken plainly in the past few months showing his disdain for them when it comes to his insistence that it was all about him...

04-06-2021 07:27PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Except it turned out to be fraudulent and one of the generals never existed and the other never signed it

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/120-retired-admirals-letter/

Did further information come out since?

banie01 · 04-06-2021 07:32PM

aloyisious wrote: »

From MSNBC. Former Vice President Mike Pence returned to the campaign trail last night, headlining a fundraising dinner in New Hampshire ahead of a likely 2024 presidential campaign. One point he made clear during his speech is a difference of opinion he's had with Trump about the Capitol building attack. "January 6 was a dark day in the history of the United States Capitol," Pence said. "But thanks to the swift action of the Capitol Police and federal law enforcement, violence was quelled, the Capitol was secured, and that same day we reconvened the Congress and did our duty under the Constitution and the laws of the United States." - [pause in speech] - Reading from a prepared text, Pence added, "You know, President Trump and I have spoken many times since we left office. And I don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day."

In the parlance of the QGOP...
What a cuck!

Trump sent a mob to the Capitol to halt the certification.
They wanted to hang Pence, they had a gallows for fúck sake.
They rioted through what are supposed sacred halls and Pence says....

"We may never see eye to eye?" Absolute coward and sycophant!

PropJoe10 · 04-06-2021 07:37PM

Pence is a spineless fool. You would truly and honestly wonder what it would take for these people to call Trump out for what he is. Apparently, serious threat to your life isn't enough. So I'm not really sure where to go from there.

Leroy42 · 04-06-2021 07:46PM

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Pence is a spineless fool. You would truly and honestly wonder what it would take for these people to call Trump out for what he is. Apparently, serious threat to your life isn't enough. So I'm not really sure where to go from there.

And calls into question their ability to defend the US. If they cannot do more than "we don't see eye to eye" what chance they will stand up against any other attack.

This is a line that the Dems should be pushing hard. That when a threat faced the US, the GOP did nothing. And in fact they actively attempted to protect the ring leader.

duploelabs · 04-06-2021 07:47PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/120-retired-admirals-letter/

Did further information come out since?

There is definitely no Rear Adm. Jack Meehoff

But perhaps a private Seymour Butts

Dempo1 · 04-06-2021 08:05PM

I rarely agree with anything FB does but they are to be congratulated in their decision to keep Trump off their platform for another 2 years.

I saw on Cnn last night he's still at the conspiracy nonsense, claiming he'll be reinstated in August, normally this stuff couldn't be made up but it's Trump I guess.

StringerBell · 04-06-2021 08:27PM

aloyisious wrote: »

From MSNBC. Former Vice President Mike Pence returned to the campaign trail last night, headlining a fundraising dinner in New Hampshire ahead of a likely 2024 presidential campaign. One point he made clear during his speech is a difference of opinion he's had with Trump about the Capitol building attack. "January 6 was a dark day in the history of the United States Capitol," Pence said. "But thanks to the swift action of the Capitol Police and federal law enforcement, violence was quelled, the Capitol was secured, and that same day we reconvened the Congress and did our duty under the Constitution and the laws of the United States." - [pause in speech] - Reading from a prepared text, Pence added, "You know, President Trump and I have spoken many times since we left office. And I don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day."

He went on to talk about how he won't let the left wing media use one thing to tarnish ALLL the good work they did together and blah blah

Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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