PropJoe10 wrote: » Pence is a spineless fool. You would truly and honestly wonder what it would take for these people to call Trump out for what he is. Apparently, serious threat to your life isn't enough. So I'm not really sure where to go from there.
aloyisious wrote: » From MSNBC. Former Vice President Mike Pence returned to the campaign trail last night, headlining a fundraising dinner in New Hampshire ahead of a likely 2024 presidential campaign. One point he made clear during his speech is a difference of opinion he's had with Trump about the Capitol building attack. "January 6 was a dark day in the history of the United States Capitol," Pence said. "But thanks to the swift action of the Capitol Police and federal law enforcement, violence was quelled, the Capitol was secured, and that same day we reconvened the Congress and did our duty under the Constitution and the laws of the United States." - [pause in speech] - Reading from a prepared text, Pence added, "You know, President Trump and I have spoken many times since we left office. And I don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day."
duploelabs wrote: » Except it turned out to be fraudulent and one of the generals never existed and the other never signed it
robinph wrote: » Doesn't the command of the National Guard in DC go via the president rather than any state governor? Think it was Pence who gave the instruction on the day.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Good, hopefully they will review it in two years and extend it.
duploelabs wrote: » Trump off Facebook for 2 yearshttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/04/facebook-donald-trump-oversight-board-instagram?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Atlantic Dawn wrote: » 2 year ban from Facebook, madness...https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-suspended-from-facebook-for-two-years-after-praising-people-at-us-capitol-riot-12325007
DubInMeath wrote: » Wasn't there a hundred or so retired generals who were supposed to have signed a letter supporting him and questioning the election outce that had the trump fans online wetting themselves with joy?
pixelburp wrote: » Have any senior military officials spoken favourably of Trump, or indeed speculated on the election's legitimacy? Cos the only way a coup could happen would be if the armed forces intervened, and that'd only happen if senior figures felt strongly enough; those weekend militia types simply wouldn't last beyond the initial shock of their actions (combined with the once bitten, twice shy effect after January) once the professionals rolled in.
spacecoyote wrote: » If there was some QANON/Right Wing protest/"coup" attempt again it would be very difficult for the Reps to avoid supportig an actual proper enquiry and potential charges. I'd say Mitch and the crew are desperately trying to hold off anything nutty happening till after the mid terms in the hope of shifting the balance of power their way before it would kick off
aloyisious wrote: » Subduing the US army with the militia is not his game, he's using discord, dissent and disorder for that purpose, ala General Flynn. AFAIK, first US military response to trouble on the streets is N/G units due to law on not using regular military against the citizens on the streets. Unfortunately the N/G to some degree has been [after a fashion] suborned by Trump's antics in respect to alleged future loss of their civil rights. They believe his lies. Trump relies on media attention and public audience to exist. Getting the various militia groups [which have regular military and N/G persons as members] to cause uproar would be easy with a few of his chosen lies and B/S, as shown on 06 Jan. I believe he and others in his cohort would willingly use the groups again to do so. He doesn't care about their losses or the damage he's causing to the US, he sees them as losers, as shown by his words referring directly to the dead of the US regular military.
StringerBell wrote: » How many militia members with machine guns do you think would be enough to subdue the US army?
pixelburp wrote: » Have any senior military officials spoken favourably of Trump, or indeed speculated on the election's legitimacy? /quote] None that I'm aware of and there was a slew of 500+ senior retired military that wrote an open letter in support of Biden in Sept. Apart from Flynn, I don't know if any senior military retirees have come out in support of the big lie. Speaking of Flynn, I read during the week that Vindeman offered to prosecute him if courts martial were convened.https://www.businessinsider.com/vindman-trump-prosecute-michael-flynn-for-calling-for-military-coup-2021-6
banie01 wrote: » CNN and Maggie Haberman are quoting sources close to Trump as saying that he believes, and has told some supporters that he will be re-instated as President in August.https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1399707794375426051?s=19 If you are interested in some of the actual lunacy that his acolytes are spouting, without destroying your Twitter algo? @patriottakes on twitter is worth a follow.https://twitter.com/patriottakes?s=09
Tell me how wrote: » I can't believe some of the retrospective of what went on in last years election. and all of what you have written is fine if you consider his Presidency as being 17, 18, 19 and that the election was possibly held it Jan 2020. But it wasn't 2020 was one of the most significant years for a US Presidency, in history. First off, Trump himself is no stranger to being viewed as old, or doddery. But, the absolutely GIGANTIC elephant in the room, which you have completely discounted is Covid. His reaction to it, in dismissing it, ignoring masks, wanting to prioritize the economy, shifting blame, stealing supplies on their way to other countries, telling the states they were on their own, giving false information on treatment options, undermining medical professionals, threatening to fire Fauci, being focused on the ratings at his press conferences and flat out refusing to take responsibility for it. All of that before it emerged he made a conscious decision to downplay it at a time when they had the opportunity to get ahead of it in preparation, contracted it himself and then still continued to hold rallies in that environment. Secondly, the also large, but small in comparison to the beast above, was his response to the BLM protests that erupted last summer. He used it as a political weapon to try to blame Democrats for instigating the protests and he practically begged state Governors to utilize the national guard and to get very tough with people who were attending them. And several other younger but still large elephants running around the place including his attempt to cancel some members of the White House Press Corp, the 215 indictments tied to his administration, him being impeached, him only paying $750 in tax a couple of years while in the White House, his 'LIBERATE' tweets which emboldened extreme conservatives to plan to kidnap and kill a state Governor as well as storm a number of state houses and to a lesser degree, his regressive policies in relation to the Climate and Iran, his attempt even ahead of the election to detrimentally influence the electoral process with the placement of DeJoy at the head of the USPS who started to try to slow down the receipt and acceptance of postal votes. And finally, in this respect, that he never broached 50% satisfaction rating while in Office. All that aside, Biden conclusively won the debates with the rules being changed in how they were carried out as it was evident Trump could not control himself. Biden was very smart in not holding large rallies because A, it showed his respect and awareness of the dangers from mass gatherings, and B it drastically reduced the Trump campaign from utilising doctored videos from the rallies to make him appear weak. And with all this being said, and as has been pointed out a number of times, he still came within 0.06% of the total ballots cast in being returned (approx 100K out of 155M) if these 100K had been in particular states. And this is why, looking forward towards 2024, if he is there, I'm not hopeful that he will get the embarrassing hiding he deserves in spite of adding to the mix his undermining democracy, inciting an insurrection and being a total see you next Tuesday in how he handled the transition.
Itssoeasy wrote: » So much win though…. I know since the election loss, there’s been dates that trump supporters have believed he will be reinstated to the office of president and shock horror those dates seem to have come and gone and all that but this august time frame seems different in that it seems to be have the support of trump himself.
sydthebeat wrote: » Ultimate loser loses once again....
AlfaZen wrote: » But the whole of Christianity was built around lies and dishonesty from the start. So is it really surprising. In general Christians have an ability to turn a blind eye to "non-Christian" behavior when its one of their own. Just look at what was going on in this country right up until the late 1990's.
PintOfView wrote: » As regard expecting better from Christians, there are a couple of things. I think any community has a right to expect integrity from everyone, regardless of beliefs, etc., and this is especially so when it comes to public representatives, and their vocal supporters. I don't expect more from Christians, or any other religious group, I'd merely expect the same! However thanks to an Irish upbringing I'm perfectly familiar with Christian values, and so I find it grossly hypocritical when someone claims to be a Christian, and yet goes on to support the lies and dishonesty, and complete lack of integrity, as displayed by Trump and his entourage.
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