Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

daydorunrun wrote: »

Is it only people who you disagree with that are keyboard warriors? I take it you don’t consider yourself one even though you are responsible for a fair percentage of the posts on this thread.

No. Just those going on about Tony knowing nothing as detailed.

..."Tony" as CMO has full access to the relevant data - something that keyboard warriors apparently don't

But don't let that stop you ...

PTH2009 wrote: »

It's almost a given NPHET will recommened too delay July's reopening which could be the last big one

Talk of Variants/Fourth waves etc will be around all summer

Do you really see Dr Tony allowing 3Arena sized gigs and full stadiums even with the vaccine

It's absolutely not.

Stormyteacup wrote: »

They have remained steady. Elevated is subjective. At one point recently, oireachtas reports suggested they would be happy with over 1,000 cases provided vaccine rollout went according to plan.

Not me stating that. For example...

As case numbers reported in the news goes up and down, people's levels of caution goes up or down too, behavioural research shows

Professor Peter Lunn of the ESRI said people will feel either much more comfortable or anxious about going to eat or drink indoors depending on the daily new case numbers.

Many Irish people will likely not automatically go back into wet pubs and indoor restaurants even when the businesses reopen this summer if the Covid case numbers reported daily remain at elevated levels, an ESRI professor who conducts behavioural research on the pandemic for the Government has predicted. 

Peter Lunn of the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) said there will be a strong link between reducing numbers to around 100 new cases a day from the current number of around 450 with the footfall that wet pubs and indoor restaurants will secure when they reopen this summer. 

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-40300106.html

Stormyteacup wrote: »

So cases remain steady despite relaxations so far. It seems nothing to date has caused a spike in case numbers and ICU/deaths continue to slowly fall.

Tony may well have full access to relevant data - we sure don’t. Why is it private? NPHET minutes haven’t been published in five weeks despite requests from members of government.

Needless castigation and shaming of people gathering outdoors with respect to them being a danger to public health.

So numbers remain elevated despite low hospital and ICU stats. The ongoing vaccination programme has been identified as a major factor in that scenario.

The data is there simply to help those whose job it is to manage the pandemic. Its hardly been kept 'private' for **** and giggles. As far as I can see there's no big secret or conspiracy.

The only people rightly been called out for their behaviour are those taking the piss. But no that's not everyone. Thankfully the absolute majority are sticking with public health regulations as much as is possible.

Hulk Hands wrote: »

WERE YOU THERE?

Very next sentence he proceeds to say his experience of 'being there' was driving through a tiny junction (max 3 seconds) and seeing the whole way up St. William st from his crouched down view point in a car. Incredible stuff. You were no more 'there' than he was Tony

Not even the slightest admission that his tone may have been wrong, nor that the messaging around outdoor summer may lead to confusion. No he's completely justified and correct. What a pathetic ego driven man he is

I wish to god a journalist, politician or another civil servant would stand up to him. He belittles anyone who dares speak out against him in the press conferences. It is not the Tony Holahan show and the sooner he is removed from being front and centre of the governments covid messaging the better.

I refuse to believe Tony Holohan was there last Saturday.

There is no way he could have driven near South William Street or Exchequer Street and wasn't spotted by anyone. Absolutely no way

Even if he did and was there, it literally means he would have gotten a 2 second glance before he had to turn up Clarendon Street.

MOR316 wrote: »

Leo...

Not that he's brave or anything...He knows what he's at. Once public opinion on Tony Holohan has shifted enough, he'll pounce and he will be seen as being brilliant and that's his feet under the table for the next X amount of years...

It could be like the last time

Leo says something negative about NPHET and then later we hear he called him personally for a chat and to reaffirm their part of the same team

There all scared of Dr Tony

PTH2009 wrote: »

It could be like the last time

Leo says something negative about NPHET and then later we hear he called him personally for a chat and to reaffirm their part of the same team

There all scared of Dr Tony

Depends...

Hypothetical situation here but, if this ever ends and it has adverse, lasting affects on say the public or the economy(mental health, taxes etc)...You watch how quickly they would throw Holohan, Nolan and the rest under the bus.

It's politics...They use him as a shield for their shortcomings and lack of planning now...They'll use him as scapegoat when they lose any use for him

Good example would be Simon Harris recently, when he laughed at the €9 meal thing from last year and said it was a pile of ****e essentially. He sensed the public mood and opinion on it. He's not minister for health anymore. He doesn't have to fall in line so...

On another note, absolutely baffling how some people on here still defend that to this day but anyways...Whatever tickles your €9 pickle

MOR316 wrote: »

I refuse to believe Tony Holohan was there last Saturday.

There is no way he could have driven near South William Street or Exchequer Street and wasn't spotted by anyone. Absolutely no way

Even if he did and was there, it literally means he would have gotten a 2 second glance before he had to turn up Clarendon Street.

I said the same the other day, there is no way he was there and didn’t get spotted unless he passed the st and didn’t go down it, and in that event he wasn’t there either!

MOR316 wrote: »

Good example would be Simon Harris recently, when he laughed at the €9 meal thing from last year and said it was a pile of ****e essentially. He sensed the public mood and opinion on it. He's not minister for health anymore. He doesn't have to fall in line so...

On another note, absolutely baffling how some people on here still defend that to this day but anyways...Whatever tickles your €9 pickle

I'm sure the permanently outraged will find another reason not to partake in social activities.

Most people just got on with it and went for a meal and a few pints with family and friends, whilst a tiny minority of others didn't, choosing to stay online ranting and raving about €9 chicken wings.

It will be the same this time round.

VinLieger wrote: »

Just remember last year when the government decided to move to level 3 instead of 5 and NPHET leaked it?

No one remembers that, primarily because it didn't happen.

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

How do you know it didn't happen.

All the leaks have come after NPHET advise cabinet.

NPHET said they did no such thing and there is no supporting evidence to back up the repeated falsehood.

By all means if you have evidence to back up the accusation tap it out.

I'll gladly take a look.

paddyisreal wrote: »

we will see about indoor dining....

why don't you tell me why we are the last country in the world to open outdoor dining ? forgot your answer on that one !

My guess would be that the government indeed would like to see general indoor dining pushed back to august or at least to July 19, the date they picked for opening up international travelling via the EU Covid Cert (stretched as late as possible).
The roadmap shows earlier dates but if there is any chance to postpone they will, like a sudden local spike of infections, decoupled fr a rise in hospitalisations.
Last to open outdoors..buffer of some time...last to open indoors...last to open entertainment .no music, no dancing, no fun. Itll be all that outdoors (through music trials, wait and see, evaluate and wait a bit longer until summer is over) and impromptu 'illegal' get togethers. Itll be the earliest september for fully opening indoors, unless they decide that growing infection nrs warrant another round of restrictions. You know, to protect the younger infected unvaccinated crowd and keeping the carrot and stick approach.

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

You are the one making the definitive statement it didn't happen, I am just pointing out you don't know that for sure, other that the fact that you seem to be saying you believe NPHET's version of events "NPHET said they did no such thing"

Nope I told you all the leaks have come after NPHET have advised government.

But you want me to prove a negative. I can't, but I don't have to.

It's kind of how things work.

Accusation made, evidence for accusation presented.

In your own good time.

If you want to get into wanton speculation, there may be an actual candidate or 2 with form for leaking.

But the thread seems to want to rehash old falsehoods and 9 euro chicken wings, instead of acknowledging the current situation, which is of course a pretty big week for the easing of restrictions.

But back to Tony and the absolute disbelief that he may have been driving in an area he lives near and that he couldn't have seen what he described although it was 100% backed up by video later that evening.