Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Sofa King Great · 02-06-2021 12:30PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

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Think outdoors this summer......but just not there, or over there, and definitely not there.

This is the equivalent of your teacher giving everyone extra work because one student was messing.

If there are people littering put out more bins/employ more litter wardens/enforce the litter laws
If there are people pissing on the streets put out more toilets/enforce the laws which prevent it and fine those doing it
If there are people blatantly breaching public health guidelines in a way that could cause covid to spread (not just sitting outside) disperse those people

Lots of people congregated in these places last weekend and for many weekends up to now with no issue.
All too often we defer to punishing the majority due to the actions of a minority

Outdoor summer indeed

NIAC Fanboy · 02-06-2021 12:30PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Outdoors but not in massive dense crowds was my understanding? Did I miss something or have large public gatherings been given an ok? They are doing the same thing at the quays in Galway and parts of Dublin. I don't know why you're confused it seems to be in line with the rest of what they are saying atm?

They have backed off from closing streets in Dublin this weekend.

The are putting more facilities in places (bins and toilets I assume)

They are on about keeping St. Stephens Green open later in the evening.

The message is confused and muddled.

This bank holiday was always going to be an potential sh1tshow from months ago yet they persisted with June 7th for pubs.

A glaring error from the government which they could have backtracked from on Monday morning but didn't.

namloc1980 · 02-06-2021 12:34PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Outdoors but not in massive dense crowds was my understanding? Did I miss something or have large public gatherings been given an ok? They are doing the same thing at the quays in Galway and parts of Dublin. I don't know why you're confused it seems to be in line with the rest of what they are saying atm?

So where do you want people living in cities to meet outdoors? The space is being squeezed further and further which inevitably leads to more people in less space. Instead of welcoming people into open spaces and providing the facilities we are herding them into less and less spaces or indoors which is much worse.

It's a bit like this:

VinLieger · 02-06-2021 12:43PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Outdoors but not in massive dense crowds was my understanding? Did I miss something or have large public gatherings been given an ok? They are doing the same thing at the quays in Galway and parts of Dublin. I don't know why you're confused it seems to be in line with the rest of what they are saying atm?

Its a strange idea i know but maybe if they made more places accessible people wouldn't feel the need to congregate in the very few places left available in very large crowds.

02-06-2021 12:46PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

The contrarians will be along shortly to tell you there's nothing at all confusing about the messaging. Meet outdoors, but not in the places we're arbitrarily closing, and not in big groups. What's a big group? Who knows. Definitely don't meet indoors, unless it's in a school or church. No outdoor dining, and definitely no indoor dining. Unless it's in a hotel.

It's all perfectly straightforward.

100% like, wear your mask Xmas shopping if the street is busy.. what constitutes a busy street? who knows? number? footfall? population density per squared metre??? another joke. Heuristic in the extreme, no real science behind any advice.

jakiah · 02-06-2021 12:46PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Outdoors but not in massive dense crowds was my understanding?

Can you point to where in the guidelines it says that your meeting with friends outdoors has to be somewhere where other people are not also meeting friends outdoors?

Is not obvious that a place that is attractive for one small group to meet in public is going to be attractive to lots of others too?

namloc1980 · 02-06-2021 12:46PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

They have backed off from closing streets in Dublin this weekend.

The are putting more facilities in places (bins and toilets I assume)

They are on about keeping St. Stephens Green open later in the evening.

The message is confused and muddled.

This bank holiday was always going to be an potential sh1tshow from months ago yet they persisted with June 7th for pubs.

A glaring error from the government which they could have backtracked from on Monday morning but didn't.

There will be plenty of finger wagging and tut-tutting over the weekend.

Allinall · 02-06-2021 12:47PM

The faux confusion is hilarious.

jakiah · 02-06-2021 12:48PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

They have backed off from closing streets in Dublin this weekend.

The are putting more facilities in places (bins and toilets I assume)

They are on about keeping St. Stephens Green open later in the evening.

The message is confused and muddled.

This bank holiday was always going to be an potential sh1tshow from months ago yet they persisted with June 7th for pubs.

A glaring error from the government which they could have backtracked from on Monday morning but didn't.

There will be riots in the streets if they change their minds half way through the weekend again. People have had enough of their bull****.

02-06-2021 12:48PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Its a simple fact that in these situations people will always leave litter. It just happens.

VinLieger wrote: »

But that's not what happens in this country, weve seen this exact thing happen time and time again for years now so why do you expect any different all of a sudden?

I agree with both of you. In fact, I've said as much here in this very thread. I blame the council for their complete abdication of responsibility, pushing the onus onto retailers is odious behaviour and should be everybody's concern.

But responsibility for not disposing your litter on the ground remains, ultimately, with you and you alone. If there's no bin, carry it with you until you find one. If you can't find one before you go home, then bring it home with you. It's not rocket science.

I've had to bring bags of dog sh1te home with me in the car because there weren't any suitable bins available in parks or on beaches etc. It wasn't pleasant but the alternative is to behave like a cretin and throw it into the bushes. The amount of greenery I've seen, festooned with bright blue bags of crap like some sort of bizarre fecalphiliac Christmas tree would send you over the edge. Don't be a dick. And, equally, don't excuse other people who are behaving like dicks.

NIAC Fanboy · 02-06-2021 12:55PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

There will be plenty of finger wagging and tut-tutting over the weekend.

Then on Monday they can move onto scouting around pubs for an opportunity to video groups of more than 6 at a table etc.

namloc1980 · 02-06-2021 12:58PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Then on Monday they can move onto scouting around pubs for an opportunity to video groups of more than 6 at a table etc.

Shock horror headlines as a group of lads book a table at 3 different pubs in a row, and even had the absolute temerity to have a few drinks and *gulp* enjoy themselves.

jakiah · 02-06-2021 01:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But responsibility for not disposing your litter on the ground remains, ultimately, with you and you alone. If there's no bin, carry it with you until you find one. If you can't find one before you go home, then bring it home with you. It's not rocket science.

Twenty-somethings are not going to carry around a days worth of food and drink waste everywhere they go for 12-16 hours, and then onto a bus or into a taxi to take it home. No amount of internet moralising is going to change this fact.

gozunda · 02-06-2021 01:10PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

The contrarians will be along shortly to tell you there's nothing at all confusing about the messaging. Meet outdoors, but not in the places we're arbitrarily closing, and not in big groups. What's a big group? Who knows. Definitely don't meet indoors, unless it's in a school or church. No outdoor dining, and definitely no indoor dining. Unless it's in a hotel.

As you detail some may have trouble figuring out what a large group is.

That said the guidelines given atm to help keep down the rate of infection are fairly straightforward imo. And I reckon most everyone is familiar with tbf

Some examples:

People arranging to meet up together (outdoors at their home) are asked to limit groups to max 6 people from multiple households and should try to observe social distancing

Keep at least 2 metres (6.5 feet) away from people you do not live with (social distancing)

Avoid crowded places where you cannot keep 2 metres apart from other people

Wear a face covering if you meet people in busy outdoor spaces.

And that with a bit of common sense I suppose.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself-and-others.html

NIAC Fanboy · 02-06-2021 01:25PM

gozunda wrote: »

As you detail some may have trouble figuring out what a large group is.

That said the guidelines given atm to help keep down the rate of infection are fairly straightforward imo. And I reckon most everyone is familiar with tbf

These are main ones:

People meeting up in groups are asked to limit groups to max 6 people from multiple households and should try to observe social distancing

Keep at least 2 metres (6.5 feet) away from people you do not live with (social distancing)

Avoid crowded places where you cannot keep 2 metres apart from other people

Wear a face covering if you meet people in busy outdoor spaces.

And that with a bit of common sense I suppose.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself-and-others.html

You are wrong on that one.

Outdoor organised events can take place with up to 15 people.

You have just proved that the rules are far from straightforward.

speckle · 02-06-2021 01:28PM

Hormones and pheromones cannot measure 2meters... they are a bit like magnets when one is young and sometimes not so young

Allinall · 02-06-2021 01:29PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

You are wrong on that one.

Outdoor organised events can take place with up to 15 people.

You have just proved that the rules are far from straightforward.

Are you now pretending not to understand what an organised event is, in the context of Covid restrictions?

jakiah · 02-06-2021 01:31PM

Allinall wrote: »

Are you now pretending not to understand what an organised event is, in the context of Covid restrictions?

Whats an organised event?

Allinall · 02-06-2021 01:33PM

jakiah wrote: »

Whats an organised event?

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/

Organised outdoor gatherings
These are controlled environments with a named event organiser, owner or manager. For example: outdoor arts events, training events.

Boggles · 02-06-2021 01:34PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

The contrarians will be along shortly to tell you there's nothing at all confusing about the messaging. Meet outdoors, but not in the places we're arbitrarily closing, and not in big groups. What's a big group? Who knows. Definitely don't meet indoors, unless it's in a school or church. No outdoor dining, and definitely no indoor dining. Unless it's in a hotel.

It's all perfectly straightforward.

You seem to know an hour ago.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I wouldn't feel comfortable in a big crowd myself at the moment

If people are lacking basic common sense as in what constitutes a crowd then is it any wonder we get restrictions.

The vast vast majority of people who indulged in a few take away pints last weekend did so with common sense.

NIAC Fanboy · 02-06-2021 01:34PM

Allinall wrote: »

Are you now pretending not to understand what an organised event is, in the context of Covid restrictions?

No I don't need to pretend anything. The rule of 6 applies to back gardens only, not to groups meeting down the park etc.

That can be a group of 15, birthday party, wedding anniversary, soccer team pissup, after work team building pints etc.

02-06-2021 01:36PM

jakiah wrote: »

Twenty-somethings are not going to carry around a days worth of food and drink waste everywhere they go for 12-16 hours, and then onto a bus or into a taxi to take it home. No amount of internet moralising is going to change this fact.

That doesn't change the fact that they SHOULD be doing it and that NOT doing it leaves them open to criticism. That's literally the only point I'm making. Act like a knacker, then expect to be called out for it.

Also I, when in my twenties, have carried my rubbish around with me on multiple occasions because I'm not a scumbag. I've had conversations with friends and family who weren't doing the same. Claiming everyone in that age brackets are all litterbugs is wide of the mark.

jakiah · 02-06-2021 01:36PM

So I guess if DCC et. al put in proper facilities for crowds then that would be considered an organised event?

prunudo · 02-06-2021 01:36PM

Lets not forget that the majority of these are just guidelines, we're asked to do this or try and avoid the other. The restrictions to date have by and large been adhered to through good will and a sense of civic duty.

Allinall · 02-06-2021 01:36PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

No I don't need to pretend anything. The rule of 6 applies to back gardens only, not to groups meeting down the park etc.

That can be a group of 15, birthday party, wedding anniversary, soccer team pissup, after work team building pints etc.

I'll leave you to it, as you haven't a clue.

I thought your confusion was fake, but I was wrong.

jakiah · 02-06-2021 01:39PM

Allinall wrote: »

I'll leave you to it, as you haven't a clue.

I thought your confusion was fake, but I was wrong.

I thought it was 15 as well. So did thousands of people in DCC parks in the last week or two so seemingly.

gozunda · 02-06-2021 01:39PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

You are wrong on that one.
Outdoor organised events can take place with up to 15 people.
You have just proved that the rules are far from straightforward.

Jaysus you're quick to claim you don't know the rules but then provide jump on anyone who details examples of guidelines for groups meeting up which can be followed.

But ooohhh noooo everyone is wrong :rolleyes:

And the bit you quoted btw is for "Outdoor organised events" which can take place with up to 15 people.

It also details that in your garden - you can meet with:

up to 2 other households, or 6 people from multiple households.

Look if you don't understand what the guidelines for something you want to do - go ask someone. Its really not difficult.

suicide_circus · 02-06-2021 01:40PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

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Think outdoors this summer......but just not there, or over there, and definitely not there.

Dickheads.

NIAC Fanboy · 02-06-2021 01:41PM

Allinall wrote: »

I'll leave you to it, as you haven't a clue.

I thought your confusion was fake, but I was wrong.

I will copy and paste for you from the HSE. 6 in your garden. No mention of 6 down the park.

Meeting people outdoors
Outdoor organised events can take place with up to 15 people.

In your garden you can meet with:

up to 2 other households, or
6 people from multiple households
This limit of 6 people does not include children aged 12 or younger.

Wear a face covering if you meet people in busy outdoor spaces.

NIAC Fanboy · 02-06-2021 01:42PM

jakiah wrote: »

I thought it was 15 as well. So did thousands of people in DCC parks in the last week or two so seemingly.

No mention of 6 in the HSE guidance except in gardens.

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