Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Boggles · 01-06-2021 02:11PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Not if we started announcing the correct dates with them, the reporting has always been with the top number implying any deaths announced were from that day.

Nope, HSPC were clear on reporting deaths.

It's a myth that there was confusion perpetually pointed out on here every single day.

VinLieger wrote: »

Yet in reality a death reported today can have been as far removed as 3 months prior to today as thats how long the family has to notify. Its absurd that hospitals were not the ones reporting the deaths and we were waiting on the families notifications.

Has to go through the coroner.

Death notifications are primarily done by next of kind, personally wouldn't be in favor taking that away from them.

VinLieger · 01-06-2021 02:13PM

Graham wrote: »

If it makes you anxious you're probably better off not watching it.

If you don't think the nightly infection and death rates didn't have an effect on a large number of peoples anxiety and overall mental health then your even more deluded than i thought.

Graham · 01-06-2021 02:16PM

VinLieger wrote: »

If you don't think the nightly infection and death rates didn't have an effect on a large number of peoples anxiety and overall mental health then your even more deluded than i thought.

If ever I did decide to watch it, I'd really rather it hadn't been dumbed down for fear of upsetting the ultra-sensitive.

Lots of things on our TV are going to upset somebody or other, censorship is probably a solution only for the most extreme content.

Like I said, don't watch it. Problem solved.

VinLieger · 01-06-2021 02:17PM

Boggles wrote: »

Nope, HSPC were clear on reporting deaths.

It's a myth that there was confusion perpetually pointed out on here every single day.

Tell that to my family, colleagues and friends because i don't know how many times ive had to remind people of this and i know i wasnt the only one in that situation, there absolutely was confusion around it. The only times they ever were clear on the reporting was when they had to report way over the trend like on April 24th last year.

Boggles wrote: »

Has to go through the coroner.

Death notifications are primarily done by next of kind, personally wouldn't be in favor taking that away from them.

Then they should have reported the numbers clearly instead of announcing a top number and only in extraordinary circumstances again like April 24th last year, attempted to break the information down.

NIAC Fanboy · 01-06-2021 02:24PM

VinLieger wrote: »

If you don't think the nightly infection and death rates didn't have an effect on a large number of peoples anxiety and overall mental health then your even more deluded than i thought.

The best thing is ditching the daily numbers for county. There appears to be an uptick in cases in the Limerick area but details are coming through slowly.

Think back to Donegal and the circus a couple of months ago.

If Limerick is well out on top of the inter county charts a daily furore of outrage would ensue over people gathering along the boardwalk and down laneways drinking takeaway pints, even though this is quite safe and these people are saving lives.

Coillte_Bhoy · 01-06-2021 02:27PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Indo reporting that the PUP is to be phased out from September and tens of thousands to have to pay property tax as the exemption for "new homes" ends.

Reopening is only going to accelerate. The country is broke and as I and many others predicted, the bill for all this is now due (any notion of V-shaped recoveries or spending our way out of it clearly dispelled).

Really? Care to break that down a bit and explain what you mean? i doubt it

gozunda · 01-06-2021 02:27PM

darconio wrote: »

Let me clarify, it seemed obvious but again....
Very few tour operators will propose Ireland as an holiday destination, not for the rate of covid infections, but because hospitality is basically still closed and entertainment is non-existent.

So assuming that americans, or any other nationality, are not coming to Ireland because of that warning you posted is quite ridiculous.

The "hiding under the bed" is referred to the fact that only 16 countries from that list are at level 2 "exercise increased caution" :rolleyes: , The rest of the world is either level 3 "Reconsider travel" or , the majority, level 4 "Do not travel".

So based on that list, if you were american, where would you go?

Well here's even more clarification for you ..

Where would I go? I suppose logically to any of the that 16 countries from US travel list which are at level 2. But as an independent traveller and I didn't give a **** - any of them.

But tell me are all the majority of those countries designated by the US as level 3 and 4 around the world 'hiding under the bed"? :rolleyes: Must be a big fecking bed

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And you may want to check but I did not say "that americans" would not come to Ireland because of that warning. I said tour companies from the US won't.

Ireland gets a significant amount of organised tours from the US. Those companies won't come here whilst we are on the US Level 4 - "Do Not Travel" List ...

And the US have slapped a level 4 warning not just on Ireland but a whole load of countries largely irrespective of their level of restrictions.

Our restrictions for international travel are being rolled back on the 19th July. Let's see when the US starts removing its restrictions to travel and stop with the "Do Not Travel" warnings.

Coillte_Bhoy · 01-06-2021 02:30PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

The best thing is ditching the daily numbers for county. There appears to be an uptick in cases in the Limerick area but details are coming through slowly.

Think back to Donegal and the circus a couple of months ago.

If Limerick is well out on top of the inter county charts a daily furore of outrage would ensue over people gathering along the boardwalk and down laneways drinking takeaway pints, even though this is quite safe and these people are saving lives.

Limerick figures are largely due to indoor gatherings. Largely related to one specific community according to public health people in the area that i've spoken to. Nothing to be gained by publicly calling them out though i suppose

01-06-2021 02:39PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Tell that to my family, colleagues and friends because i don't know how many times ive had to remind people of this and i know i wasnt the only one in that situation, there absolutely was confusion around it. The only times they ever were clear on the reporting was when they had to report way over the trend like on April 24th last year.

Then they should have reported the numbers clearly instead of announcing a top number and only in extraordinary circumstances again like April 24th last year, attempted to break the information down.

Because people dont listen or read, deaths should not be reported when notified?

It was always reported as "x number of deaths have been REPORTED to the HSPC in the past 24 hrs bring the overall total to n+x. a of these occurred in May, b in April and c in March"

NIAC Fanboy · 01-06-2021 02:39PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Limerick figures are largely due to indoor gatherings. Largely related to one specific community according to public health people in the area that i've spoken to. Nothing to be gained by publicly calling them out though i suppose

Yet last weekend the outrage brigade were out in force, led by Holohan, berating people for doing what they were asked to do and socialising outdoors, breaking no restrictions.

gozunda · 01-06-2021 02:41PM

Ballynally wrote: »

The key word here is ADVISORY.
The designated level for Ireland (4) hasnt been updated since april 21!
Again, Advisory. If it was officially enforced with a ban it would have been updated for sure because some US travellers are already in the EU.
We are talking about US visitors to Ireland not the other way around like the embassy link you provided w a may 5 date, also out of date.Totally irrelevant.
The point is, many european countries want US travellers. The EU want the newly agreed Covid Cert to go ahead asap in June which can then possibly be rolled out to US visitors by individual countries, if they are fully vaccinated.
A lot of countries are going to take that up as soon as they can.
The government of Ireland is in charge of the barriers.
They are down and they dont seem to want them up until July 19, halfway through the summer season.
That is the policy, right or wrongly.
Other countries will gladly take the visitors instead..

Well never said it was other than advisory now did I?

And no one mentioned the word "ban" either.

So you say the official advice on the US embassy website is out of date? You better tell them so :pac: It remains the US is still suspending entry of foreign nationals who were physically present in the UK [including Northern Ireland] and / or the Republic of Ireland, among other countries.

Note: These restrictions do not apply to American citizens, legal permanent residents, most immediate family members of US citizens, and other individuals who are identified in Presidential Proclamation 10143.)

We know international travel returns here on the 19th July

But yeah the US Level 4 "Do not Travel' has been slapped on a load of countries. Those countries may simply not get the visitors they are looking for unless the US gets its act together.

01-06-2021 02:42PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Yet last weekend the outrage brigade were out in force, led by Holohan, berating people for doing what they were asked to do and socialising outdoors, breaking no restrictions.

Last weekend the boards.ie outrage brigade were out in force, highlighting and amplifying any and all comments that expressed anything at all cautious while the rest of the country got on with enjoying the weekend

Graham · 01-06-2021 02:48PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Yet last weekend the outrage brigade were out in force, led by Holohan, berating people for doing what they were asked to do and socialising outdoors, breaking no restrictions.

Yes, I remember the time when Holohan and the government called for street parties to aid in the pandemic effort.

PTH2009 · 01-06-2021 02:50PM

Dr Tony will end up out on the streets with a loudspeaker screaming 'go home save lives, go home save lifes, the virus is still around'

NIAC Fanboy · 01-06-2021 02:54PM

Graham wrote: »

Yes, I remember the time when Holohan and the government called for street parties to aid in the pandemic effort.

No they didn't and there was no organised street party last weekend.

gozunda · 01-06-2021 03:04PM

Graham wrote: »

Yes, I remember the time when Holohan and the government called for street parties to aid in the pandemic effort.

Dont forget the detailed advisories to get pissed as a newt and bolloc naked as well

NIAC Fanboy · 01-06-2021 03:06PM

gozunda wrote: »

Dont forget the detailed advisories to get pissed as a newt and bolloc naked as well

Are you going to tell us what restrictions were being broken last weekend in Dublin like you claimed earlier.

Write it for us please.

Ballynally · 01-06-2021 03:08PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well I never said it was other than advisory now did I?

And no one mentioned the word "ban" either.

So you say the official advice on the US embassy website is out of date? You better tell them so :pac:

We know international travel returns on the 19th July

But yeah the US Level 4 "Do not Travel' has been slapped on a load of countries. They may simply not get the visitors they are looking for unless the US gets its act together.

In fairness, no you didnt. But it remains an important distinction.
I am also not suggesting anyone else used the word 'ban'. That was just me expressing myself clumsily. I meant enforced border policy as opposed to travel advice.
While we are at it, i made an error in claiming the US level advice was influenced by Irish restrictions. You were right, the US gives its own, sometimes strange, travel advice.
I was more interested in the motivations regarding people booking visits to the EU and Ireland and i think your post about US travel advice did not quite make it to the top of the list compared to other factors.
And the embassy will in all likelyhood update their site once the US decides the time has come to play ball with the EU which i think is not far away, especially after the EU Covid Cert comes into play, though again, Ireland might refuse giving out proof of vaccination until July 19. Watch that space..
There seems to be no appetite to change the July 19 date to an earlier one.
I would be fuming if i was involved in the travel sector.

gozunda · 01-06-2021 03:20PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Are you going to tell us what restrictions were being broken last weekend in Dublin like you claimed earlier.

Write it for us please.

Ah so were back to stuff that was never said game again. Grand so. I never mentioned anything "being broken"

This was my comment ...

gozunda wrote:

The people acting the eejit in DCC last week didn't give a feq whether it did or didn't but did give a finger to everyone else sticking to restrictions.

But you're interested in the restrictions / public health advice people are sticking to? Fair play.

Heres some usefull links for you ..

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself-and-others.html

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/public_health_measures_for_covid19.html#l95d70

Graham · 01-06-2021 03:24PM

gozunda wrote: »

Dont forget the detailed advisories to get pissed as a newt and bolloc naked as well

It's saving lives apparently :pac:

jakiah · 01-06-2021 03:26PM

gozunda wrote: »

Ah so were back to stuff that was never said game again. Grand so. I never mentioned anything "being broken"

This was my comment ...

But you're interested in the restrictions / public health advice people are sticking to? Fair play.

Heres some usefull links for you ..

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself-and-others.html

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/public_health_measures_for_covid19.html#l95d70

You seem to be saying people in the city center at the weekend were not sticking to restrictions? Can you point out what restrictions they were breaking? Cheers.

gozunda · 01-06-2021 03:36PM

jakiah wrote: »

You seem to be saying people in the city center at the weekend were not sticking to restrictions? Can you point out what restrictions they were breaking? Cheers.

Really? No mention of breaking of restrictions at all ...

Specifically the comment refers to others "sticking to restrictions" if you'd like to check

What I did say that imho people there didn't give a feq and "acting the eejit". My opinion on that remains unchanged.

paddyisreal · 01-06-2021 03:36PM

Only one week left until we rejoin the great outdoor dining countries of the world. Is there any country in the world with outdoor dining still closed ?
Fair play to them young lads and lassies in Dublin, Galway at the weekend ! Enjoy yourself it's later than you think !

jakiah · 01-06-2021 03:38PM

gozunda wrote: »

Really? No mention of breaking of restrictions at all ...

Specifically the comment refers to others "sticking to restrictions" if you'd like to check

What I did say that imho people there didn't give a feq. My opinion on that remains unchanged.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Going into the city with a group of your friends, standing on South William St and having takeaway IS sticking to restrictions. Spoofer.

gozunda · 01-06-2021 03:45PM

jakiah wrote: »

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Going into the city with a group of your friends, standing on South William St and having takeaway IS sticking to restrictions. Spoofer.

Bs.

Not me making claims about posters saying things they didn't...

Stormyteacup · 01-06-2021 04:42PM

gozunda wrote: »

Bs.

Not me making claims about posters saying things they didn't...

No it’s a fair point. You said people acting the eejit in DCC gave the finger to those sticking to restrictions.

Why would they be ‘giving the finger to those sticking to restrictions’ if they themselves were adhering to restrictions.

And if they weren’t adhering, which ones did they break?

darconio · 01-06-2021 04:46PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well here's even more clarification for you ..

Where would I go? I suppose logically to any of the that 16 countries from US travel list which are at level 2. But as an independent traveller and I didn't give a **** - any of them.

But tell me are all the majority of those countries designated by the US as level 3 and 4 around the world 'hiding under the bed"? :rolleyes: Must be a big fecking bed :

And you may want to check but I did not say "that americans" would not come to Ireland because of that warning. I said tour companies from the US won't.

And the US have slapped a level 4 warning not just on Ireland but a whole load of countries largely irrespective of their level of restrictions.

Our restrictions for international travel are being rolled back on the 19th July. Let's see when the US starts removing its restrictions to travel and stop with the "Do Not Travel" warnings.

You seem to be stuck at that "Hiding under the bed" sentence:

if you go by that list, you may as well stay at home and hide under your bed: only 16 countries worldwide are at level 2

Which means exactly that: if you follow the warning level of that list you might as well stay at home and hide under your bed. As an example, since we were talking about a group of Americans in the UK, here the advise provided by that list:

Reconsider travel to the United Kingdom due to COVID-19. Exercise increased caution due to terrorism.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued a Level 3 Travel Health Notice for the United Kingdom due to COVID-19, indicating a high level of COVID-19 in the country. There are restrictions in place affecting U.S. citizen entry into the United Kingdom.

Terrorist groups continue plotting possible attacks in the United Kingdom. Terrorists may attack with little or no warning, targeting tourist locations, transportation hubs, markets/shopping malls, local government facilities, hotels, clubs, restaurants, places of worship, parks, major sporting and cultural events, educational institutions, airports, and other public areas.

There is also a risk of isolated violence by dissident groups in Northern Ireland, focused primarily on police and military targets.

Would you agree that despite the above scaremongering, American tour operators decided to organize a trip to the UK, instead of Ireland, because their hospitality is fully open? Because that's all I wanted to argue with you, without dissecting every sentence in the attempt to prove your point

NIAC Fanboy · 01-06-2021 05:04PM

gozunda wrote: »

Ah so were back to stuff that was never said game again. Grand so. I never mentioned anything "being broken"

This was my comment ...

But you're interested in the restrictions / public health advice people are sticking to? Fair play.

Heres some usefull links for you ..

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself-and-others.html

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/public_health_measures_for_covid19.html#l95d70

So the people who went into the city centre, and followed the restrictions, were giving a finger to everybody else who was also following the restrictions, how?

gozunda · 01-06-2021 05:46PM

darconio wrote: »

You seem to be stuck at that "Hiding under the bed" sentence:
Which means exactly that: if you follow the warning level of that list you might as well stay at home and hide under your bed. As an example, since we were talking about a group of Americans in the UK, here the advise provided by that list: Would you agree that despite the above scaremongering, American tour operators decided to organize a trip to the UK, instead of Ireland, because their hospitality is fully open? Because that's all I wanted to argue with you, without dissecting every sentence in the attempt to prove your point

Well be fair you brought the bed in

And to be fair its a discussion. Little point in arguing over that type of up in the air shyte eitherway.

But have US tour operators returned to the UK or are you speculating?

gozunda · 01-06-2021 05:59PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

No it’s a fair point. You said people acting the eejit in DCC gave the finger to those sticking to restrictions.

Why would they be ‘giving the finger to those sticking to restrictions’ if they themselves were adhering to restrictions.

And if they weren’t adhering, which ones did they break?

Well thank you - I also think its a fair point as well that they were eegits giving everyone else the finger. Glad you agree. Afaik crowds there were disbanded by the Gardai and a number of people arrested - or did I hear that wrong? No matter.

But I reckon you're way in too deep beyond that there if you at that level of convoluted speculation

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

So the people who went into the city centre, and followed the restrictions, were giving a finger to everybody else who was also following the restrictions, how?

Ditto. Btw what restrictions were they following did you say?

It remains the point is eegits giving everyone (all those keeping restrictions) the finger imho. And if you really want to go further - I suppose they included themselves in that equation.

Now as much as love to play the game " Things no one said" welcome to the ignore list...

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