Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

NIMAN · 01-06-2021 09:23AM

Reading worrying stories of kids >6 needing to be vaccinated to fly.

Boll1x to that, no way I will be having my kids vaccinated.

I think its kite flying at present, but they are saying CV19 tests will likely be needed for them, which will add to the cost of a holiday.

Widescreen · 01-06-2021 09:23AM

Apologies if this already asked.

Re AZ, I had first dose early April, two days later all the blood clot stuff escalated.

Due to get my 2nd dose end of June and I heard on radio last night that NIAC due to decide by end of June whether the 2nd dose should then be an mRNA vaccine instead!

If they decide end of June that mRNA should be used is that basically saying anyone who got the AZ 2nd dose during June prior to that announcement was wasting their time?

Or the cynic in me says they are phasing out Astra Zeneca and just trying to exhaust the existing supplies before they do.

Is that because of supply issues or efficacy of vaccine?

Any opinions, thanks.

is_that_so · 01-06-2021 09:26AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Reading worrying stories of kids >6 needing to be vaccinated to fly.

Boll1x to that, no way I will be having my kids vaccinated.

I think its kite flying at present, but they are saying CV19 tests will likely be needed for them, which will add to the cost of a holiday.

That major flaw of unvaccinated kids travelling was never addressed in the whole digital passport approach. Someone mentioned an EU fund to subsidise PCR tests for travel but not much detail that I can find.

is_that_so · 01-06-2021 09:30AM

Widescreen wrote: »

Apologies if this already asked.

Re AZ, I had first dose early April, two days later all the blood clot stuff escalated.

Due to get my 2nd dose end of June and I heard on radio last night that NIAC due to decide by end of June whether the 2nd dose should then be an mRNA vaccine instead!

If they decide end of June that mRNA should be used is that basically saying anyone who got the AZ 2nd dose during June prior to that announcement was wasting their time?

Or the cynic in me says they are phasing out Astra Zeneca and just trying to exhaust the existing supplies before they do.

Is that because of supply issues or efficacy of vaccine?

Any opinions, thanks.

They are phasing out AZ anyway and it is doubtful that anyone will get a first jab of it now. The current position is that you will get the second shot as long as you have no underlying conditions.

angeldelight · 01-06-2021 09:34AM

Widescreen wrote: »

Apologies if this already asked.

Re AZ, I had first dose early April, two days later all the blood clot stuff escalated.

Due to get my 2nd dose end of June and I heard on radio last night that NIAC due to decide by end of June whether the 2nd dose should then be an mRNA vaccine instead!

If they decide end of June that mRNA should be used is that basically saying anyone who got the AZ 2nd dose during June prior to that announcement was wasting their time?

Or the cynic in me says they are phasing out Astra Zeneca and just trying to exhaust the existing supplies before they do.

Is that because of supply issues or efficacy of vaccine?

Any opinions, thanks.

Due to a higher rate of adverse events after the second dose than they thought making the risk/benefit analysis less clear. It’a still much lower than the first shot and both are very small risks to begin with. The suggestion was that for under 50s they might change the second dose to an mRNA vaccine for safety

01-06-2021 09:40AM

is_that_so wrote: »

They are phasing out AZ anyway and it is doubtful that anyone will get a first jab of it now. The current position is that you will get the second shot as long as you have no underlying conditions.

are they? Link?

ddarcy · 01-06-2021 09:43AM

is_that_so wrote: »

They are phasing out AZ anyway and it is doubtful that anyone will get a first jab of it now. The current position is that you will get the second shot as long as you have no underlying conditions.

It’s much more strict than that. If you got the first you’re getting the second. The only way out is if you had a blood clot/ really bad reaction. Although that may change going forward.

angeldelight · 01-06-2021 09:45AM

InitialG wrote: »

are they? Link?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-breton-eu-did-not-renew-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-order-after-june-2021-05-09/

is_that_so · 01-06-2021 09:53AM

InitialG wrote: »

are they? Link?

Lazy but here you go. That's where such information lives. HCWs/Group 2 are now getting their second doses regardless of age as will the 60-69 in about 4 weeks.

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/astrazeneca/

adam240610 · 01-06-2021 10:30AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Reading worrying stories of kids >6 needing to be vaccinated to fly.

Boll1x to that, no way I will be having my kids vaccinated.

I think its kite flying at present, but they are saying CV19 tests will likely be needed for them, which will add to the cost of a holiday.

Why not just vaccinate them? You would've vaccinated them for several other things already surely

I don't agree that they should need one for travel though, anything under 12 is excessive surely

Stark · 01-06-2021 10:39AM

adam240610 wrote: »

Why not just vaccinate them? You would've vaccinated them for several other things already surely

I don't agree that they should need one for travel though, anything under 12 is excessive surely

Well at the moment there's no vaccine approved for under-12s.

gozunda · 01-06-2021 10:44AM

is_that_so wrote: »

That major flaw of unvaccinated kids travelling was never addressed in the whole digital passport approach. Someone mentioned an EU fund to subsidise PCR tests for travel but not much detail that I can find.

Posted this in another thread. But its relavent to this.

The original EU proposal at the beginning of May was that

Children who are excluded from vaccination should be able to travel with their vaccinated parents if they have a negative PCR COVID-19 test taken at the earliest 72 hours before arrival area. In these cases, Member States could require additional testing after arrival.

That appears to have changed as of yesterday ...

To ensure family unity, minors travelling with parents should be exempted from quarantine when the parents do not need to undergo quarantine, for example due to vaccination. Children under 6 should also be exempted from travel-related testing

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_2782

This seems to indicate that children (under 6) are permitted to travel where parent(s) are vaccinated regardless whether they have been recently diagnosed with covid or not

01-06-2021 10:54AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Lazy but here you go. That's where such information lives. HCWs/Group 2 are now getting their second doses regardless of age as will the 60-69 in about 4 weeks.

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/astrazeneca/

I googled about the halt in astrazeneca vaccines and found nothing. I tend to google before posting here. Thanks...:rolleyes:

01-06-2021 10:54AM

angeldelight wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-breton-eu-did-not-renew-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-order-after-june-2021-05-09/

Thank you.

DSN · 01-06-2021 10:59AM

I read that "update" as children of vaccinated parents don't have to quarantine but if age 6-17 still need 'travel related testing' as they call it now!

is_that_so · 01-06-2021 11:07AM

InitialG wrote: »

I googled about the halt in astrazeneca vaccines and found nothing. I tend to google before posting here. Thanks...:rolleyes:

The EU is looking for its missing supplies but are not planning to order any more. There is plenty on that out there. From our perspective AZ will stop once we've done the second doses.

gozunda · 01-06-2021 11:17AM

DSN wrote: »

I read that "update" as children of vaccinated parents don't have to quarantine but if age 6-17 still need 'travel related testing' as they call it now!

Its this bit

To ensure family unity, minors travelling with parents should be exempted from quarantine when the parents do not need to undergo quarantine, for example due to vaccination. Children under 6 should also be exempted from travel-related testing

I think another issue is regards the status of children under six who test positive during a holiday / prior to a return journey

celt262 · 01-06-2021 11:51AM

gozunda wrote: »

Its this bit

I think another issue is regards the status of children under six who test positive during a holiday / prior to a return journey

They wont be tested though.

astrofool · 01-06-2021 11:52AM

angeldelight wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-breton-eu-did-not-renew-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-order-after-june-2021-05-09/

I wish people would stop posting this.

The order for 300M doses of AZ still stands, it's nowhere near complete, and deliveries will keep happening until it does hit 300M, probably sometime in October or November (with it being used for COVAX or as a booster).

There is no plan to take up the extra 300M option or make new orders as the EU is focusing on mRNA based vaccines (and possibly protein based depending on how Novavax gets on).

gozunda · 01-06-2021 11:56AM

celt262 wrote: »

They wont be tested though.

Not as part of travel requirements. But its possible children under 6 may pick up covid on holiday. Not sure if that's covered atm.

Another poster here already posted about that issue as they have booked to go on holiday.

Widescreen · 01-06-2021 12:05PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The EU is looking for its missing supplies but are not planning to order any more. There is plenty on that out there. From our perspective AZ will stop once we've done the second doses.

so from this, yes , we are just using up vaccines then, irrespective that they do the job required or not.

astrofool · 01-06-2021 12:16PM

Widescreen wrote: »

so from this, yes , we are just using up vaccines then, irrespective that they do the job required or not.

All SARS-COV2 vaccines being used in Ireland do their job fantastically effectively, let's not be unclear about this.

Peckham · 01-06-2021 12:31PM

gozunda wrote: »

Not as part of travel requirements. But its possible children under 6 may pick up covid on holiday. Not sure if that's covered atm.

Another poster here already posted about that issue as they have booked to go on holiday.

We're going to France in August. Campsite sold us an additional insurance policy to cover such instances.

If one of us tests positive meaning that some or all of the family can't return home, then it pays out for an extended stay.

Presumably similar policies are available in other countries.

JPup · 01-06-2021 12:33PM

Widescreen wrote: »

Apologies if this already asked.

Re AZ, I had first dose early April, two days later all the blood clot stuff escalated.

Due to get my 2nd dose end of June and I heard on radio last night that NIAC due to decide by end of June whether the 2nd dose should then be an mRNA vaccine instead!

If they decide end of June that mRNA should be used is that basically saying anyone who got the AZ 2nd dose during June prior to that announcement was wasting their time?

Or the cynic in me says they are phasing out Astra Zeneca and just trying to exhaust the existing supplies before they do.

Is that because of supply issues or efficacy of vaccine?

Any opinions, thanks.

It is neither supply issues or vaccine efficacy. We have enough AZ vaccines ordered to give a 2nd dose everyone who has had one already and the vaccine has been proven to be highly effective at preventing serious illness from Covid-19.

The reason for considering using an mRNA vaccine for a 2nd dose, especially in the under 50s, is to do with concerns around blood clots.

cameramonkey · 01-06-2021 12:59PM

astrofool wrote: »

All SARS-COV2 vaccines being used in Ireland do their job fantastically effectively, let's not be unclear about this.

Let's be clear about this.

cameramonkey · 01-06-2021 01:01PM

For those who are in the aged-based vaccinations how long before you get your second dose of Pzfizer do you get a notification for your appointment?

is_that_so · 01-06-2021 01:02PM

Widescreen wrote: »

so from this, yes , we are just using up vaccines then, irrespective that they do the job required or not.

NIAC has precluded AZ being used for the under 40s so yes second doses and largely done. It hasn't been used in any great quantity since the over 60s. As posted earlier I'd also expect it to go into COVAX.

RavenBea17b · 01-06-2021 01:10PM

Widescreen wrote: »

Apologies if this already asked.

Re AZ, I had first dose early April, two days later all the blood clot stuff escalated.

Due to get my 2nd dose end of June and I heard on radio last night that NIAC due to decide by end of June whether the 2nd dose should then be an mRNA vaccine instead!

If they decide end of June that mRNA should be used is that basically saying anyone who got the AZ 2nd dose during June prior to that announcement was wasting their time?

Or the cynic in me says they are phasing out Astra Zeneca and just trying to exhaust the existing supplies before they do.

Is that because of supply issues or efficacy of vaccine?

Any opinions, thanks.

Don't think anyone who has had AZ were wasting their time, the vaccine work as it is designed to do. Stop serious illness. I suspect like the flu vaccine, there will be boosters each year as the virus mutates. I know that Spain have a trial mixing vaccines 1st and 2nd dose. Think Germany/Italy are carrying out a trial of similar mix too - but may well be wrong there. Is there a trial in Ireland like this too? I am sure I read that UK are trialling this at the moment, results to be published soon.

RavenBea17b · 01-06-2021 01:17PM

Widescreen wrote: »

so from this, yes , we are just using up vaccines then, irrespective that they do the job required or not.

Can you explain which vaccines aren't doing their job and how!
That is quite a sweeping statement. All the vaccines are working as they are designed to do. STOP getting serious covid. -

tamova · 01-06-2021 01:46PM

Has anyone had experience with GPs giving Pfizer before 28 days? My vaccination was delayed for three weeks and I'd already signed a contract for a job abroad, so won't make my second dose, the latest I can get is 23 days.

HSE.ie is saying: "If a dose is given between 17 and 21 days, this is considered a valid dose." (see: https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/hcpinfo/covid19vaccineinfo4hps/faqscovidvacc/)

My GP practice flat out refused initially, but said they'd check back after speaking to my actual GP.

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