Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Covid-19 likely to be man made

1…3334363839…75

Comments

  • #1052
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    It's kinda funny how when this idea first came out all the lefty wokey types were talking about "conspiracy theorists" etc.

    Now it's a genuine possibility.

    Just like how Trump calling it the Chinese virus was somehow racist yet they're calling it the Indian Variant.


    ...and when you call them out about it, they ask you for evidence LOL


  • #1053
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    ...and when you call them out about it, they ask you for evidence LOL

    Yes. Imagine that. When you make accusations people want you to back them up.

    And when you guys are asked for this evidence, you ignore and run away.


  • #1054
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Actually no. The current consensus is that the first investigation is up for debate due to compelling arguments coming from scientists/virologist.

    The consensus among scientists is that the virus is of zoonotic origin, not man-made or genetically modified.

    What's happening is that there is a second investigation into the origins which is fuelling the theory that the virus leaked from a lab

    Individuals who believe that the virus is "man-made/genetically modified" are piggybacking on that to infer their theories have some truth.


  • #1055
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    The consensus among scientists is that the virus is of zoonotic origin, not man-made or genetically modified.

    What's happening is that there is a second investigation into the origins which is fuelling the theory that the virus leaked from a lab

    Individuals who believe that the virus is "man-made/genetically modified" are piggybacking on that to infer their theories have some truth.


    The scientists who have been talking about a manually manipulated virus are all in agreement about it and this is the reason why a second investigation is required.

    Not sure what piggybacking you are referring to here, I'm not a scientist so I'm going to have to trust who I believe are credible sources and I'm glad that finally they are getting the credit they deserve.


  • #1056
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    King Mob wrote: »
    Yes. Imagine that. When you make accusations people want you to back them up.

    And when you guys are asked for this evidence, you ignore and run away.


    People shouldn't spoon-feed you evidence all the time. Especially if the evidence is in your own posts


  • Advertisement
  • #1057
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    The scientists who have been talking about a manually manipulated virus are all in agreement about it and this is the reason why a second investigation is required.
    Which ones have claimed that it's been modified to be a bioweapon?
    Which ones have claimed that it's been modified as part of a plot to cause/fake a pandemic?

    If there's none, do you agree that these ideas can be dismissed as nonsense?
    Or do you believe that these are also viable options?


  • #1058
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    People shouldn't spoon-feed you evidence all the time. Especially if the evidence is in your own posts

    Lol.

    Dodging and running away.

    It's not that you aren't spoonfeeding anyone. You aren't providing the evidence because they evidence doesn't exist. The evidence doesn't exist because your claim isn't actually true.

    And again, you're making a false accusation there. I never claimed that it was impossible.
    Show where I said otherwise.

    If you can't provide the quote, then we can conclude your accusation isn't actually true.
    You are lying.


  • #1059
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Jezz, do you have to make every thread about yourself?


  • #1060
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Jezz, do you have to make every thread about yourself?
    Nope. You guys don't have to keep making false accusations about me, then run away from them when challenged.
    It's not hard.

    Either back them up or don't make them.

    So how come you have to make these false accusations anyhow? How do they support your beliefs?


  • #1061
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Ah the "everyone lies" chestnut trotted out. The Trump admin as a deliverer of "trustworthy" info was up there with Putin and Xi Jinping. They weren't taken seriously outside their base, and much less so around the world.

    The first investigation has determined that the "lab-accident" theory is extremely unlikely. But it couldn't determine the natural link either (finding the zoonotic link is like looking for a needle in a haystack)

    We'll see what the latest US investigation shows up, but I suspect this is something we may never know due to the complexities involved and China's extreme secrecy and state control.
    Trump mentioned that it might have been man made. I dont think he claimed it was proven.
    King Mob wrote: »
    So all presidents lie, but we should have believed Trump when he claimed the virus came from a lab with no evidence?

    Should we also believe him when he claimed that global warming was made up by the Chinese?
    Should we also believe him when he claimed that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii?

    The claim that he lied thousands of times is a meaningless data point. The Wuhan link theory was not Trump's idea. It emerged online much earlier. It was mentioned in Russian media in January 2020. Then I think in April Fox mentioned it. Trump got it from Fox/cables in mid April 2020. I first heard about it from C Milk an American who knows China very well on the 1st of April 2020 from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU

    My advice to pay less attention to govs and presidents and more to people who have their ear to the ground like C milk.


  • Advertisement
  • #1062
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    Trump mentioned that it might have been man made. I dont think he claimed it was proven.



    The claim that he lied thousands of times is a meaningless data point. The Wuhan link theory was not Trump's idea. It emerged online much earlier. It was mentioned in Russian media in January 2020. Then I think in April Fox mentioned it. Trump got it from Fox/cables in mid April 2020. I first heard about it from C Milk an American who knows China very well on the 1st of April 2020 from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU

    My advice to pay less attention to govs and presidents and more to people who have their ear to the ground like C milk.


    I admire your patience in replying to the same two people


  • #1063
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    NO. It is not about his "questions". but about his false claims. What happened is that he has said what he think I said then constructed whole tangle of craziness and few posts down he claimed I actually said that. When I pointed out I never said such and it was him who said it he never acknowledged that but kept on pressing on his original false claim while asking his "questions". That is when I decided not to waste my time with people like that.
    All he does is asking questions while he never answer any directed at him. It is not just my experience few other people came to the same conclusion. One of the most recent exchanges earned him badge of conspiracy theorists.
    It is all here.


    Mate, in case you haven't noticed, it's the same 2-3 people spamming all the covid threads and making it difficult for others to read through.
    They seem uncomfortable with the latest updates on man-made Covid. You should ignore them


  • #1064
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    The claim that he lied thousands of times is a meaningless data point.
    Not really. The fact that he lies and promotes conspiracy crap when it suits him indicates that he doesn't seem to care about whether or not what he says is accurate. It also shows he's happy to claim things that are obviously not true.
    So, when he claimed that virus was man made, it wasn't because he had access to any evidence. It wasn't because he was smarter than anyone else.
    He was just spewing whatever crap he thinks would be beneficial to him.
    When people were dismissing his claims, it wasn't because they were ignoring evidence he was pointing to. It wasn't because they were disregarding his expert opinion. They were just taking the claim as seriously as the claims that global warming wasn't real and that Obama was from Kenya.

    Claiming that he's been proven right now would a bit disingenuous.
    Saying that people were fools not to take his claim seriously then would be also a bit disingenuous.
    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    The Wuhan link theory was not Trump's idea. It emerged online much earlier. It was mentioned in Russian media in January 2020. Then I think in April Fox mentioned it. Trump got it from Fox/cables in mid April 2020. I first heard about it from C Milk an American who knows China very well on the 1st of April 2020 from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU

    My advice to pay less attention to govs and presidents and more to people who have their ear to the ground like C milk.
    Cool. And what evidence did they present?


  • #1065
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,912 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Mate, in case you haven't noticed, it's the same 2-3 people spamming all the covid threads and making it difficult for others to read through.
    They seem uncomfortable with the latest updates on ALLEGED man-made Covid. You should ignore them

    Fixed that for you.


  • #1066
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Mate, in case you haven't noticed, it's the same 2-3 people spamming all the covid threads and making it difficult for others to read through.
    They seem uncomfortable with the latest updates on man-made Covid. You should ignore them

    What are these updates you speak of?


  • #1067
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    silliussoddius wrote: »
    What are these updates you speak of?


    If you are posting in this thread it is assumed that you are up to speed


  • #1068
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    If you are posting in this thread it is assumed that you are up to speed

    It's hard to keep track; it's a bio weapon, it's a hoax, it's for control, plandemic, global depopulation, microchips in vaccines, mark of the beast, magnets etc.
    The only new development is the lab leak angle, which was never dismissed in the same way like the nonsense above, but it will be seized upon by the fantasists.


  • #1069
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    If you are posting in this thread it is assumed that you are up to speed

    And question dodged because you cannot provide an answer.

    The only "update" that's occured is the story from the mainstream media that the lab origin idea is still being considered.

    No new scientific studies have been put forward.
    No new evidence has been revealed.


  • #1070
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,842 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It is beginning to be taken seriously in the US mainstream media, which might be a reason to ignore it.


  • #1071
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    King Mob wrote: »
    Not really. The fact that he lies and promotes conspiracy crap when it suits him indicates that he doesn't seem to care about whether or not what he says is accurate. It also shows he's happy to claim things that are obviously not true.
    So, when he claimed that virus was man made, it wasn't because he had access to any evidence. It wasn't because he was smarter than anyone else.
    He was just spewing whatever crap he thinks would be beneficial to him.
    When people were dismissing his claims, it wasn't because they were ignoring evidence he was pointing to. It wasn't because they were disregarding his expert opinion. They were just taking the claim as seriously as the claims that global warming wasn't real and that Obama was from Kenya.
    True and it isn't acceptable for journalists to do that. Journalists should examine and dissect stories and some journalists did but many didn't. It is a diasterif the forth estate is just quite actual real work.
    King Mob wrote: »

    Claiming that he's been proven right now would a bit disingenuous.
    Saying that people were fools not to take his claim seriously then would be also a bit disingenuous.
    I never said that. I said Mike Pompeo was vindicated. Mike Pompeo was much more guarded in his words and he never said corona is a manmade weapon or a lab accident. He simply listed it as a possibility. There is a context to Trump's words. China had claimed that corona emerged in the US. But even ignoring that, Trump's bad behaviour isn't an excuse for journalists to ignore stories.
    King Mob wrote: »
    Cool. And what evidence did they present?
    It is worth watching. Where is Yanling Huang?


  • Advertisement
  • #1072
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    True and it isn't acceptable for journalists to do that. Journalists should examine and dissect stories and some journalists did but many didn't. It is a diasterif the forth estate is just quite actual real work.
    So then they should have also investigated and took seriously his equally as supported claims that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii? That China invented the concept of global warming?
    How about his claim that the virus wasn't going to be a big deal?
    What's the difference between those claims and his claim that the virus was man made?

    Most journalists seem to have looked into his claims and did reach the same conclusion: there isn't any evidence to support his claim.
    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    I never said that. I said Mike Pompeo was vindicated. Mike Pompeo was much more guarded in his words and he never said corona is a manmade weapon or a lab accident. He simply listed it as a possibility.
    Who was saying it wasn't a possibility?
    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    It is worth watching. Where is Yanling Huang?
    Ok. You've ignored my question. This means they don't present any evidence.


  • #1073
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    All innuendo aside, we simply don't know for sure whether this is zoonotic or it leaked from a lab.

    Apart from the original poster I don't think anyone in here is claiming it's man-made or genetically altered.


  • #1074
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    King Mob wrote: »
    And question dodged because you cannot provide an answer.

    The only "update" that's occured is the story from the mainstream media that the lab origin idea is still being considered.

    No new scientific studies have been put forward.
    No new evidence has been revealed.


    You seem to ask the same questions over and over in every thread. Do you read anything outside of Boards? because if you do you won't need to beg for links and source all the time.


  • #1075
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    fvp4 wrote: »
    It is beginning to be taken seriously in the US mainstream media, which might be a reason to ignore it.


    Wait until someone is gong to ask you for links and source of every single US mainstream media


  • #1076
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,060 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    If you are posting in this thread it is assumed that you are up to speed

    Bollox of the highest order to be fair.
    If you are posting on a thread regarding Man made covid, and it's likeliihood.
    It is germane to flow of the conversation that any updates you might rely upon to reach your conclusion, are shared.

    Relying upon "well it's being investigated" is about as honest an approach to debate as "many people say".
    Supply a thesis, lay out a theory and at least attempt to actually support it with evidence.


  • #1077
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    silliussoddius wrote: »
    It's hard to keep track; it's a bio weapon, it's a hoax, it's for control, plandemic, global depopulation, microchips in vaccines, mark of the beast, magnets etc.
    The only new development is the lab leak angle, which was never dismissed in the same way like the nonsense above, but it will be seized upon by the fantasists.


    so you are up to speed then


  • #1078
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    so you are up to speed then

    I missed the updates for the evidence that COVID was man made, but I just realized it's frowned upon.


  • #1079
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    silliussoddius wrote: »
    I missed the updates for the evidence that COVID was man made, but I just realized it's frowned upon.


    Because there is no such claim.
    There have been whistleblowers who were silenced for a year claiming that it was man made based on their understanding of virology


  • #1080
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Because there is no such claim.
    There have been whistleblowers who were silenced for a year claiming that it was man made based on their understanding of virology

    Okay, which ones and who were they silenced by?


  • Advertisement
  • #1081
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    WhomadeGod wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/how-joe-biden-came-around-to-the-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-1.4579879

    [B]The Biden administration has now studied the mountain of disturbing evidence that we were confronted with in the last few months of the Trump administration,” said David Asher, who led a state department investigation into the origins of Covid.
    [/B]

    Interesting Irish Times article on how Joe Biden came round to the wuhan lab leak theory.


    More mainstream media coming out of the fog


Advertisement