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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #2282
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    8 deaths reported in the last 12 days since the reporting stopped due to the cyberattack.

    HSE describing a “collapse in deaths”


  • #2283
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Underlying conditions are a factor, but so too is age.
    93% of deaths with an underlying condition is significant - but so too is the fact that less than 10 people under 24 have died from covid, this despite the fact that ~10% of all cases in that age bracket have an underlying condition.

    So despite 1 in 10 covid cases in that age group (90,000 cases, so ~9000 underlying condition) - only 10 or less deaths.

    25-44 age bracket has ~18% underlying condition in positive cases
    and 44 deaths overall (85k cases, so ~17k underlying conditions)

    Twice the underlying conditions with covid, but over 4 times the deaths. And it only gets starker as you progress through the age groups. Basically - age is a significant factor, just as underlying conditions are. But an underlying condition in a 30 year old is not the same as an underlying condition in a 60,70, or 80 year old.
    And of course this is all assuming that most deaths in younger groups are in underlying conditions, if it isnt then that just means that your excuse of undiagnosed conditions has even less credence.

    Age and health conditions are the 2 big factors here, and despite health conditions, younger people are still at a miniscule risk.
    In the under 44s, only 44-54* people have died. Well over half the total cases are in these age brackets, but not even 1% of the deaths. Absurd that you would think these people are at any risk at this stage of the pandemic.

    *Data doesnt record exact number when there's less than 5 cases in a category.

    Yup I've already referred to age as a control.
    underlying conditions exist in all age groups albeit decreasing in proportion by age.

    Again it's not just about deaths. Its also about keeping the infection rate low whilst we roll out our vaccination programme.

    And to repeat myself with a risk of going blue in the face - its not known underlying conditions which are only relevant btw (as given in your stats) - its also all those of all age groups with diagnosed/ undiagnosed conditions who are not yet fully vaccinated

    Nothing changes that. And yes 'younger people' are statistically less likely to get seriously ill overall however that does not equate to the risk of infection for the general public being "miniscule" as you previously suggested.


  • #2284
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    gozunda wrote: »
    Yup I've already referred to age as a control.
    And yes 'younger people' are statistically less likely to get seriously ill overall however that does not equate to the risk of infection for the general public being "miniscule" as you previously suggested.

    The risk to the rest of the general public (excluding younger groups) is minimised by way of vaccines - you know, those vaccines we've been rolling out for months?

    We're currently giving 1st doses to what? 50-59? I would say that goes a long way to minimising risks to the public, given the data I have previously posted showing the minimal risk to people 44 and under.


  • #2285
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    timmyntc wrote: »
    The risk to the rest of the general public (excluding younger groups) is minimised by way of vaccines - you know, those vaccines we've been rolling out for months?

    We're currently giving 1st doses to what? 50-59? I would say that goes a long way to minimising risks to the public, given the data I have previously posted showing the minimal risk to people 44 and under.

    Looks like you have forgotten Cohort 7 , much like the media and the HSE


  • #2286
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    You dont need undiagnosed conditions even to justify restrictions . A large number of cohort 7 have not yet been vaccinated
    Cohort 7 which is deemed high risk has been largely forgotten by everyone and many left with no clue when they will be done

    One small cohort of people is not enough of a justification to keep severe restrictions in place for longer than they have to be though.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • #2287
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    JRant wrote: »
    One small cohort of people is not enough of a justification to keep severe restrictions in place for longer than they have to be though.

    Small ? How many are left to be vaccinated do you know ? There were 300k in that cohort .


  • #2288
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If there ever even is a variant that by passes the vaccines, we still can't rely on lockdown anymore.

    No business would be able to operate with the constant threat of closures or restrictions.
    The government can't keep paying PUP and business supports.
    The public are not going to accept many more years of lockdown.

    We would need a new vaccine developed, tested and administered to everybody. And sure then another variant could come along...

    What sane person is going to try start a business in the next 2 years anyway? Sure, a small number will give it a go but not many. You'd need your head examined to even think about it with the governments willingness to **** everything down for months on end.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #2289
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,149 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Small ? How many are left to be vaccinated do you know ? There were 300k in that cohort .

    300k out of a population of 5 million is a small percentage (16%). Plus, they will be done in the next few weeks.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #2290
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    JRant wrote: »
    300k out of a population of 5 million is a small percentage (16%). Plus, they will be done in the next few weeks.

    Glad you know more than many in that cohort do .


  • #2291
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    timmyntc wrote: »
    The risk to the rest of the general public (excluding younger groups) is minimised by way of vaccines - you know, those vaccines we've been rolling out for months?

    We're currently giving 1st doses to what? 50-59? I would say that goes a long way to minimising risks to the public, given the data I have previously posted showing the minimal risk to people 44 and under.

    Yes. I believe I already covered that. And whilst those of the general public with underlying conditions/ undiagnosed underlying condition are not fully vaccinated then that risk remains.

    Vaccination of the remaining cohorts will reduce that risk to miniscule levels. And that goal is now within sight.


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  • #2292
    PatrickDoherty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭PatrickDoherty


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The public are not going to accept many more years of lockdown..


    This idea is still doing the rounds, Ireland is a nation of obedient people they will do what their told like they have for the last 14 months, if a level 5 was announced again tomorrow 80% or more would follow the rules.


  • #2293
    Economics101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Economics101


    marno21 wrote: »
    8 deaths reported in the last 12 days since the reporting stopped due to the cyberattack.

    HSE describing a “collapse in deaths”

    Are these 8 deaths officially recorded (i.e. reported), or actually occurring in the past 12 days? Given the frequent long lag between the actual date of death and the official official HSE reporting date, the true up-to-date collapse in deaths may be greater.

    If you want good statistics, wait for the professionals (the CSO) to do the job.


  • #2294
    [Deleted User]
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    PatrickDoherty wrote: »
    This idea is still doing the rounds, Ireland is a nation of obedient people they will do what their told like they have for the last 14 months, if a level 5 was announced again tomorrow 80% or more would follow the rules.

    I agree about Ireland. But I don't think the public in other countries will tolerate years more of lockdown and we'll follow what others are doing.


  • #2295
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    RTÉ have just stated why people are so worried about the variant, the presenter wasn't even aware.

    They don't realise that 33% efficacy only means you can catch it and have symptoms only.

    Doesn't mean it's a chance of death or serious illness.

    Media are to blame for this scaremongering without the facts.

    All the vaccines are still excellent regardless of variants.


  • #2296
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Whatever about a date for indoor dining; we need a date from which we don’t have to hear Zero Covid merchants anymore.

    Today FM atm talking about another surge, hospitals overwhelmed by the Indian variant. Come here now.


  • #2297
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    marno21 wrote: »
    Whatever about a date for indoor dining; we need a date from which we don’t have to hear Zero Covid merchants anymore.

    Today FM atm talking about another surge, hospitals overwhelmed by the Indian variant. Come here now.

    Hospitals where, in Bangalore?


  • #2298
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    marno21 wrote: »
    Whatever about a date for indoor dining; we need a date from which we don’t have to hear Zero Covid merchants anymore.

    Today FM atm talking about another surge, hospitals overwhelmed by the Indian variant. Come here now.

    They really don't understand the science of vaccines.

    Shouldn't be allowed talk lies on air when they don't even understand it.


  • #2299
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    They really don't understand the science of vaccines.

    Shouldn't be allowed talk lies on air when they don't even understand it.

    The indian variant is 75% of cases now in GB
    People in their 50s and 60s who got astrazenica are going to be poorly protected all summer as that variant takes hold here and it will
    Theres a strong case for 2nd dosing them sooner and giving jaansen excusively to under 50s along with pfizer and moderna at this stage


  • #2300
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    The indian variant is 75% of cases now in GB
    People in their 50s and 60s who got astrazenica are going to be poorly protected all summer as that variant takes hold here and it will
    Theres a strong case for 2nd dosing them sooner and giving jaansen excusively to under 50s along with pfizer and moderna at this stage

    Poorly protected from what?


  • #2301
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    The indian variant is 75% of cases now in GB

    They actually don't really know.

    "Indian variant is still spreading, with the latest estimates showing that almost half, and possibly three-quarters of all new cases are of this variant.

    Mr Hancock says we must remain vigilant, and the aim is to break the link to hospitalisations and deaths so that cases alone no longer require stringent restrictions.

    The increase in cases remains focused in hotspots and we are doing all we can,"

    Also noted that hospitalisations are not rising


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  • #2302
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭corkie


    https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1397954147199107074


    As of midnight, Wednesday 26 May, we are reporting
    436* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

    39 in ICU. 101 in hospital.

    *Daily case numbers may change due to future data review, validation and update.




    Covid-19 deaths ‘collapse’ with eight confirmed in 12 days
    Speaking at a weekly briefing on Thursday, the HSE’s chief clinical officer Dr Colm Henry said there had been eight deaths from Covid-19 in the 12 days from the data breach to Wednesday.

    ^^^ What is not clear is when the deaths (RIP) occurred.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • #2303
    [Deleted User]
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Poorly protected from what?

    They have to wait 3 months for their 2nd jab
    The Indian variant reduces effacacy by half on first doses


  • #2304
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    They actually don't really know.

    "Indian variant is still spreading, with the latest estimates showing that almost half, and possibly three-quarters of all new cases are of this variant.

    Mr Hancock says we must remain vigilant, and the aim is to break the link to hospitalisations and deaths so that cases alone no longer require stringent restrictions.

    The increase in cases remains focused in hotspots and we are doing all we can,"

    Also noted that hospitalisations are not rising

    Exactly.

    The vaccines are still protecting against serious illness and death.

    This is what people can't seem to grasp.


  • #2305
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Dr Henry discussed the impact of vaccination at this afternoons HSE press conference

    https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1397954802659823616?s=19


  • #2306
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    They have to wait 3 months for their 2nd jab
    The Indian variant reduces effacacy by half on first doses

    And??

    All it means is they can catch it but only have mild symptoms.

    They are still protected from death and hospitalisations.

    Which are the most important factors.


  • #2307
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    They actually don't really know.

    "Indian variant is still spreading, with the latest estimates showing that almost half, and possibly three-quarters of all new cases are of this variant.

    Mr Hancock says we must remain vigilant, and the aim is to break the link to hospitalisations and deaths so that cases alone no longer require stringent restrictions.

    The increase in cases remains focused in hotspots and we are doing all we can,"

    Also noted that hospitalisations are not rising

    Yeah but the UK is in a much better place in terms of vaccinations including 2nd Astra than us,significantly better
    Here we have cohort 7s unvaccinated aswell


  • #2308
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    The indian variant is 75% of cases now in GB
    People in their 50s and 60s who got astrazenica are going to be poorly protected all summer as that variant takes hold here and it will
    Theres a strong case for 2nd dosing them sooner and giving jaansen excusively to under 50s along with pfizer and moderna at this stage

    Indian strain is becoming the dominant strain alright, but the growth of expected cases of the virus whichever kent or Indian is still way below the expected growth due to the relaxation of there restrictions so far.
    Israel is the country to watch confirmed community transmission 3 weeks ago, a week ago 41 was the highest day rate of infection and has dropped off since then 10 reported cases today.


  • #2309
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,149 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Dr Henry discussed the impact of vaccination at this afternoons HSE press conference

    https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1397954802659823616?s=19

    He’s getting a clip around the ears from Tony for saying that


  • #2310
    cheezums
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    this indian variant hysteria is ridiculous. vaccines work against it. it's not more deadly. likely more transmissible. pretty much all of this countries vulnerable are now vaccinated. there is definitely an element of doom addiction going on here.


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  • #2311
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    And??

    All it means is they can catch it but only have mild symptoms.

    They are still protected from death and hospitalisations.

    Which are the most important factors.

    Actually the PHE study said there was currently insuffecient evidence to know what coverage there is at one jab for those
    Rocking ahead in the dark is not a good plan for those on Astra waiting 3 months for that all important 2nd dose


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