Why so few Toyota Camrys sold in Ireland?

24-05-2021 02:37PM

coylemj wrote: »

Annual tax will be a killer.

About €200 iirc.

For Forks Sake · 24-05-2021 02:38PM

coylemj wrote: »

Annual tax will be a killer.

€200 a year?

ba_barabus · 24-05-2021 02:50PM

coylemj wrote: »

Annual tax will be a killer.

A great example of a lot of what is being posted by people here, ill informed.

Larbre34 · 24-05-2021 02:58PM

Yeah taxband A4, won't keep anyone up at night. Its all about depreciation.

On that note though, a good few of the previous generation are brought in as special imports from Japan to be sold on as Taxis. If you're in the market for a bit of a luxo barge to run privately, that will run reliably for a million miles, you couldn't do much better than 15k for a mid-teens reg, similar 2.5 hybrid, same 200 tax.

For instance, some older fella retiring out of a company car, looking for something automatic and comfy, big boot for the golf clubs, could be just the job. Let's face it, no one is going to nick it either.

ineedeuro · 24-05-2021 04:04PM

jetsonx wrote: »

How do VW expect to go driverless if they can't even get a radio right...

If you think VW are bad electrics then never buy a Ford.

ineedeuro · 24-05-2021 04:07PM

ba_barabus wrote: »

For a private buyer would the running costs be ok?

Depends on what type of driving you are doing. If you are on motorways day in day out then no diesel will be better. If you are spinning around town, short trips etc these have exceptionally good MPG. At this stage Toyota have perfected the hybrid system. problem they have is the World is moving onto full electric so they are a little stuck with older technology. It still is great technology compared to a straight petrol or trying to run a diesel for city driving.

Speedline · 24-05-2021 04:11PM

ineedeuro wrote: »

Depends on what type of driving you are doing. If you are on motorways day in day out then no diesel will be better. If you are spinning around town, short trips etc these have exceptionally good MPG. At this stage Toyota have perfected the hybrid system. problem they have is the World is moving onto full electric so they are a little stuck with older technology. It still is great technology compared to a straight petrol or trying to run a diesel for city driving.

Not everyone has access to a charger. I have no driveway, for example.

ineedeuro · 24-05-2021 04:14PM

Speedline wrote: »

Not everyone has access to a charger. I have no driveway, for example.

Which is one of the biggest problems with full electric. In your situation Toyota hybrid is perfect. My neighbour wants nothing to do with cables/plugging in etc. A frew people on our street have all bought hybrid of different types because they don't want to plug in etc.

Long term Toyota are moving full electric like everyone else, I think their first one will be out this year

Larbre34 · 24-05-2021 04:26PM

I think ICE hybrids will be around for many years to come. How else will the remoter parts of the planet cope? Increasingly those engines will be solely used to charge the batteries to power the vehicle, which will make them far more efficient still, but they are going away.

ineedeuro · 24-05-2021 05:14PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

I think ICE hybrids will be around for many years to come. How else will the remoter parts of the planet cope? Increasingly those engines will be solely used to charge the batteries to power the vehicle, which will make them far more efficient still, but they are going away.

Standard combustion engine is only planned to be banned from 2030/2040 depending on the country. That is just sold as new. So you would expect a standard diesel/petrol would be still running 15 years later so 2055+ before they are gone

What will happen is it you buy a car hybrid now and go to trade in you will be told on trade in you should have bought a SUV. Then you buy a hybrid SUV and go to trade in and you will be told you should have bought full electric :P

Ubbquittious · 24-05-2021 05:36PM

ineedeuro wrote: »

Standard combustion engine is only planned to be banned from 2030/2040 depending on the country. That is just sold as new. So you would expect a standard diesel/petrol would be still running 15 years later so 2055+ before they are gone

What will happen is it you buy a car hybrid now and go to trade in you will be told on trade in you should have bought a SUV. Then you buy a hybrid SUV and go to trade in and you will be told you should have bought full electric :P

There will probably be a good few countries who won't bother banning them at all

Larbre34 · 24-05-2021 05:51PM

Ubbquittious wrote: »

There will probably be a good few countries who won't bother banning them at all

And a few Countries closer to home that will get near the deadline and realise its not yet practical. Just 9 years from now? I don't think so. 2040 would be far more realistic.

ineedeuro · 24-05-2021 06:10PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

And a few Countries closer to home that will get near the deadline and realise its not yet practical. Just 9 years from now? I don't think so. 2040 would be far more realistic.

It won't matter what Ireland tries to do, it will be the manufacturers who dictate when we swap to electric or not. Look at the uptake of electric cars since VW released the ID. Once the likes of BMW etc push out "normal" looking electric cars en masse people will buy because they wont give them an alternative at a competitive price.

If the Irish government was left to swap it would be 3020 and still no further

wonski · 24-05-2021 06:15PM

ba_barabus wrote: »

I've owned several Alfa's, Rovers, Renaults, Citroen and poorly built cars like VW's before and never had any issue selling them after.

Were they 40k plus new, though?

They are expensive for what they are.

RandomViewer · 24-05-2021 06:33PM

ineedeuro wrote: »

If you think VW are bad electrics then never buy a Ford.

A lot of Ford issues were damp getting into the fuse box, hairdryer and some WD and you're flying

RandomViewer · 24-05-2021 06:38PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

I think ICE hybrids will be around for many years to come. How else will the remoter parts of the planet cope? Increasingly those engines will be solely used to charge the batteries to power the vehicle, which will make them far more efficient still, but they are going away.

Only in Europe, Toyota Landcruiser is still being built in base form for Africa and other developing areas, those places will likely never see electric vehicles

ba_barabus · 24-05-2021 06:43PM

wonski wrote: »

Were they 40k plus new, though?

They are expensive for what they are.

Adjusted for inflation and less taxes at the time they probably weren't far off

RandomViewer · 24-05-2021 06:44PM

Another 10k will get you a Lexus, hard to see the appeal of the Camry against that and for Camry money you'll get a base BMW 3 series

https://www.lexus.ie/car-models/es/prices-and-specs/

ineedeuro · 24-05-2021 07:38PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Another 10k will get you a Lexus, hard to see the appeal of the Camry against that and for Camry money you'll get a base BMW 3 series

https://www.lexus.ie/car-models/es/prices-and-specs/

The Camry is going up against the A6 and 5 series because of the interior space, the 3 series is not in the same class.

The Camry and Lexus are the same car apart from the badge and a few interior changes. 10k is a lot of money for people to splash out.

RandomViewer · 24-05-2021 08:03PM

ineedeuro wrote: »

The Camry is going up against the A6 and 5 series because of the interior space, the 3 series is not in the same class.

The Camry and Lexus are the same car apart from the badge and a few interior changes. 10k is a lot of money for people to splash out.

Just found out the Lexus is Front wheel drive

wonski · 24-05-2021 09:10PM

ineedeuro wrote: »

The Camry is going up against the A6 and 5 series because of the interior space, the 3 series is not in the same class.

The Camry and Lexus are the same car apart from the badge and a few interior changes. 10k is a lot of money for people to splash out.

Going up against a6/5 series with that Camry didn't work. Never will.

If you are to spend that money on a car you want to see a result and Camry offers less than A4/3 series when you sit in it.

If I spent 40-45k and sit in it I would feel scammed tbh.

ineedeuro · 24-05-2021 10:31PM

wonski wrote: »

Going up against a6/5 series with that Camry didn't work. Never will.

If you are to spend that money on a car you want to see a result and Camry offers less than A4/3 series when you sit in it.

If I spent 40-45k and sit in it I would feel scammed tbh.

The base 3 series has a poor spec, the Camry is fully loaded in terms of spec with leather seats etc. To get a decent 3 series with similar spec you are starting closer to 50k.

I don't know why you would be looking at a A4/3 series and then Camry, the equivalent Toyota at the moment to those cars is the Corolla. Normally you look at cars all in the same size, that's the way I would do it. So Corolla/A4/3 series/Passat/

If you want a car the same size then you are looking at the 5 series which is starting at 55k. Decent spec 60k+
Have you sat into a Camry? when I sat into it and took for a spin it was a nice place to be. For a Toyota.

wonski · 24-05-2021 10:41PM

ineedeuro wrote: »

The base 3 series has a poor spec, the Camry is fully loaded in terms of spec with leather seats etc. To get a decent 3 series with similar spec you are starting closer to 50k.

I don't know why you would be looking at a A4/3 series and then Camry, the equivalent Toyota at the moment to those cars is the Corolla. Normally you look at cars all in the same size, that's the way I would do it. So Corolla/A4/3 series/Passat/

If you want a car the same size then you are looking at the 5 series which is starting at 55k. Decent spec 60k+
Have you sat into a Camry? when I sat into it and took for a spin it was a nice place to be. For a Toyota.

It's the badge that matters. With let's say 45k to spend most will go A4 route rather than Camry.

Looks way more fancy in the driveway, too.

Toyota is not considered premium at all. At that price point it won't work here.

colm_mcm · 24-05-2021 11:04PM

It’s exactly as it was 15-20 years ago. Same arguments.

ineedeuro · 24-05-2021 11:27PM

wonski wrote: »

It's the badge that matters. With let's say 45k to spend most will go A4 route rather than Camry.

Looks way more fancy in the driveway, too.

Toyota is not considered premium at all. At that price point it won't work here.

100% agree
But if you need a car as big as a Camry you will be going down the years into an A6 is the point I’m making if you have 40K to spend

ba_barabus · 25-05-2021 07:29AM

colm_mcm wrote: »

It’s exactly as it was 15-20 years ago. Same arguments.

It's like dejavu around here with the Megane Golf discussion in the Bangernomics thread.

Turbolounge · 25-05-2021 03:07PM

ineedeuro wrote: »

What will happen is it you buy a car hybrid now and go to trade in you will be told on trade in you should have bought a SUV. Then you buy a hybrid SUV and go to trade in and you will be told you should have bought full electric :P

Sell it privately

ineedeuro · 25-05-2021 03:12PM

Turbolounge wrote: »

Sell it privately

Just have a look around this forum with people buying cars and then trying to return. getting burner numbers etc etc etc
Personally I have sold a couple of cars privately and it is a nightmare. Yes I know I am paying for trading into garages but I still do it because I couldn't be ar*ed

BailMeOut · 25-05-2021 07:02PM

Why so few Toyota Camrys sold in Ireland? ....because we do not have Uber in Ireland!

JPup · 25-05-2021 07:09PM

Because it's not an SUV is the correct answer I think. Plenty of people happy to splash out €40k for a new Toyota just so long as it's a Rav4.

Why so few Toyota Camrys sold in Ireland?

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