Why so few Toyota Camrys sold in Ireland?

jetsonx

The Toyota Camry seems like a fine car.

Maybe a little boring choice but hey this is a Toyota. It will probably still be going strong after 200K on clock. This a car where all the electrics and gizmos will probably be still working fine in 10 years time. This is a car which is unlikely to surprise you in a 6 years time with a major component failure. This is a car which is probably better than a Passat or A6 (no offense to VW or Audi owners...!). This seems like a really great buy. But, even with Toyota having a good distribution network in Ireland, why so there so few Toyota Camrys sold in Ireland?

ofcork

Because they are nearly 40k so you are into c class/a4/3 series territory and its a toyota,fwiw i would love one but even 2019 platinum are still around 33k.

maddness

Because it’s a Toyota Camry

Ubbquittious

Seen a few more appearing since the high-bird version came out

They’re horrendous money for a Toyota. VW are the only one that really ever pulled that one off.

Fann Linn

Would they be as boring and reliable as my Avensis?

pippip

Because it's not an SUV.

barneygumble99

The day of the saloon car like a Camry and Mondeo are over.

jetsonx

Fann Linn wrote: »

Would they be as boring and reliable as my Avensis?

I never thought I'd say this but Toyota have become more cool in the last 4-5 years. From the Aygo to the RAV4, their designs have been more daring. It's like they've ditched their designers who come into the office wearing a suit and replaced them with designers who roll into the office on a skateboard. Dare I say it, but some of their models are now almost imbued with an Italian design flair.

For Forks Sake

Because you'd want to be stone daft to part with over 40k for something with an interior like this

Fann Linn

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Because you'd want to be stone daft to part with over 40k for something with an interior like this

Thanks.
I'll stick with the Avensis.

fits

jetsonx wrote: »

I never thought I'd say this but Toyota have become more cool in the last 4-5 years. From the Aygo to the RAV4, their designs have been more daring. It's like they've ditched their designers who come into the office wearing a suit and replaced them with designers who roll into the office on a skateboard. Dare I say it, but some of their models are now almost imbued with an Italian design flair.

I agree I think they look really cool. Wouldn’t mind either the Rav4 or the Camry parked outside.

colm_mcm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Would they be as boring and reliable as my Avensis?

More boring and more reliable.

bazz26

Boring and drab design aside, 40k was a fair chunk of change for one when they launched them here about 2 or 3 years ago but to be honest a Passat with similar spec costs nearly the same money these days so 40k these days doesn't seem excessive for what you get. However they have bit of an old man's image imo though is the same sense as the Mercedes E Class. Any Camrys I've seen on the road are for the most part driven by people in their late 50s or early 60s.

Casati

I was surprised at some of the car reviewers not having a bad word to say about it - I think it looks mis-matched externally and internally its like you've gone back to a mid 00's yank tank.

I don't think its too expensive mind you, a lot of rubbish costs 40k now.

Iodine1

jetsonx wrote: »

The Toyota Camry seems like a fine car.

Maybe a little boring choice but hey this is a Toyota. It will probably still be going strong after 200K on clock. This a car where all the electrics and gizmos will probably be still working fine in 10 years time. This is a car which is unlikely to surprise you in a 6 years time with a major component failure. This is a car which is probably better than a Passat or A6 (no offense to VW or Audi owners...!). This seems like a really great buy. But, even with Toyota having a good distribution network in Ireland, why so there so few Toyota Camrys sold in Ireland?

200k is not big mileage.

RandomViewer

bazz26 wrote: »

Boring and drab design aside, 40k was a fair chunk of change for one when they launched them here about 2 or 3 years ago but to be honest a Passat with similar spec costs nearly the same money these days so 40k these days doesn't seem excessive for what you get. However they have bit of an old man's image imo though is the same sense as the Mercedes E Class. Any Camrys I've seen on the road are for the most part driven by people in their late 50s or early 60s.

Saw 201 one a few weeks ago, sort of a blue colour with very plasticky bumpers, ungainly sort of thing,
I'd a Jap import 1992 one back in the day, not half the car of the old Carina

Damien360

Not sold as diesel so no fleet drivers

Way overpriced for target market

Pity because in the flesh, it’s a nice looking machine in my opinion.

Turbolounge

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Seen a few more appearing since the high-bird version came out

They had a special spec for the launch edition, it was called the "early bird"

ShadowHearth

As posted already: interior looks like something transplanted from 90s.

They look very impressive outside, but it really let's you down inside. On top of that no android auto and its 40k car now that is not a fake SUV.

LollipopJimmy

Also people that spend 40k on a new car couldn't give a feck about longevity. Far nicer cars in the same price range

Ash.J.Williams

barneygumble99 wrote: »

The day of the saloon car like a Camry and Mondeo are over.

Dawn of the Karens

Speedline

Damien360 wrote: »

Not sold as diesel so no fleet drivers

Way overpriced for target market

Pity because in the flesh, it’s a nice looking machine in my opinion.

No lift back or estate either. For that reason it's a no from me.

jetsonx

Speedline wrote: »

No lift back or estate either. For that reason it's a no from me.

As a matter of interest, what do you use your estate for golf clubs / dogs?

It’s named after a soap

Speedline

jetsonx wrote: »

As a matter of interest, what do you use your estate for golf clubs / dogs?

Fridge, washing machine, long weekend camping trip abroad with 4 lads, tools, welder etc, flat pack furniture, child's bicycle etc.

I don't play golf nor do I have a dog.

Speedline

Speedline wrote: »

I don't play golf nor do I have a dog.

that's ruff

LollipopJimmy

Speedline wrote: »

Fridge, washing machine, long weekend camping trip abroad with 4 lads, tools, welder etc, flat pack furniture, child's bicycle etc.

I don't play golf nor do I have a dog.

Get a dog, they're great

jetsonx

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Dawn of the Karens

What kind of SUVS and cars do Karens drive?

coylemj

It's because models like the Camry never took off in Europe that Toyota established the Lexus as a separate brand. It was/is a huge seller in the US and in lots of years was the biggest selling sedan (saloon) car there.

I looked at a second-hand Camry back in the 1990s, it was a very good price (even from a Toyota dealer) because back then (probably still do) they depreciated like a stone. What didn't help the residual value (for someone who bought one new) was that they had big engines (back then, 2.2L and 2.4L petrol) so were expensive to tax and insure.

In the model I looked at, the dash in front of the front seat passenger was a great big wall of grey plastic and the seat fabric was a horrible plaid. But there was lots of interior space and it had a big boot. Which is why most of them ended up as taxis.

Larbre34

jetsonx wrote: »

What kind of SUVS and cars do Karens drive?

Tucsons.

Always.

Grab All Association

Automatic gearbox is also putting a lot of people off them. Manual hybrids are possible. The Corolla isn’t doing too well either. They sold a number of 1.6ltr non hybrid petrol Corollas to former Avensis drivers then discontinued.

I’d never have a Corolla as my own car, but I do respect it. Plain boring on steel wheels, it doesn’t matter if the dog with alopecia destroys the seats, the Lidl trolley scratches the paint work etc. They are generally reliable yolks like the avensis.

People are buying plastic and tin Hyundai’s. The car for people who can no longer sexually perform in the bedroom and are stuck in some menial public service position. Embarrassing a first world country buying Hyundai’s. I had a friend of mine from Topeka Kansas (one of the most deprived cities and state in America) come over a few years ago and literally rofl that Thurles Gardai had those bangers. Crown Victorias and interceptors used there.

Funny back in 2015 a brand new Hyundai broke down on Liberty square and the gardai were stuck sitting in it for 45 minutes. Rant over.

I will never respect them or anyone who owns one of those vehicles. Remember the accent? Coming down kilinan hill in thurles in a 1997 accent I had borrowed (first and last time I ever drove one) and the gearstick literally comes apart in my hand almost having a truck smash into the back of me. Every time I see a truck transporting these bangers I wish it crashes and writes them all off

Rant over, I swear

Edit: I know people who got stung bad in the late 1990s trading in their perfectly good Nissan Sunny’s and Sierras for those bangers. You don’t see any accents on the roads etc. They started off as scam. Remember going to a scrapyard near Nenagh to get parts for a Vauxhall Cavalier circa 2003 and seeing 1997/8 Hyundai’s abandoned. Hyundai should’ve been run out the country at that time.

Brian Scan

Grab All Association wrote: »

Automatic gearbox is also putting a lot of people off them. Manual hybrids are possible. The Corolla isn’t doing too well either. They sold a number of 1.6ltr non hybrid petrol Corollas to former Avensis drivers then discontinued.

I’d never have a Corolla as my own car, but I do respect it. Plain boring on steel wheels, it doesn’t matter if the dog with alopecia destroys the seats, the Lidl trolley scratches the paint work etc. They are generally reliable yolks like the avensis.

People are buying plastic and tin Hyundai’s. The car for people who can no longer sexually perform in the bedroom and are stuck in some menial public service position. Embarrassing a first world country buying Hyundai’s. I had a friend of mine from Topeka Kansas (one of the most deprived cities and state in America) come over a few years ago and literally rofl that Thurles Gardai had those bangers. Crown Victorias and interceptors used there.

Funny back in 2015 a brand new Hyundai broke down on Liberty square and the gardai were stuck sitting in it for 45 minutes. Rant over.

I will never respect them or anyone who owns one of those vehicles. Remember the accent? Coming down kilinan hill in thurles in a 1997 accent I had borrowed (first and last time I ever drove one) and the gearstick literally comes apart in my hand almost having a truck smash into the back of me. Every time I see a truck transporting these bangers I wish it crashes and writes them all off

Rant over, I swear

Edit: I know people who got stung bad in the late 1990s trading in their perfectly good Nissan Sunny’s and Sierras for those bangers. You don’t see any accents on the roads etc. They started off as scam. Remember going to a scrapyard near Nenagh to get parts for a Vauxhall Cavalier circa 2003 and seeing 1997/8 Hyundai’s abandoned. Hyundai should’ve been run out the country at that time.

Yeah, I always check what type of car a person drives before I decide whether or not I respect him or her.

Brian Scan

Brian Scan wrote: »

Yeah, I always check what type of car a person drives before I decide whether or not I respect him or her.

But they all work menial public service jobs and can't get it up.

colm_mcm

Grab All Association wrote: »

Automatic gearbox is also putting a lot of people off them. Manual hybrids are possible. The Corolla isn’t doing too well either. They sold a number of 1.6ltr non hybrid petrol Corollas to former Avensis drivers then discontinued.

I’d never have a Corolla as my own car, but I do respect it. Plain boring on steel wheels, it doesn’t matter if the dog with alopecia destroys the seats, the Lidl trolley scratches the paint work etc. They are generally reliable yolks like the avensis.

People are buying plastic and tin Hyundai’s. The car for people who can no longer sexually perform in the bedroom and are stuck in some menial public service position. Embarrassing a first world country buying Hyundai’s. I had a friend of mine from Topeka Kansas (one of the most deprived cities and state in America) come over a few years ago and literally rofl that Thurles Gardai had those bangers. Crown Victorias and interceptors used there.

Funny back in 2015 a brand new Hyundai broke down on Liberty square and the gardai were stuck sitting in it for 45 minutes. Rant over.

I will never respect them or anyone who owns one of those vehicles. Remember the accent? Coming down kilinan hill in thurles in a 1997 accent I had borrowed (first and last time I ever drove one) and the gearstick literally comes apart in my hand almost having a truck smash into the back of me. Every time I see a truck transporting these bangers I wish it crashes and writes them all off

Rant over, I swear

Edit: I know people who got stung bad in the late 1990s trading in their perfectly good Nissan Sunny’s and Sierras for those bangers. You don’t see any accents on the roads etc. They started off as scam. Remember going to a scrapyard near Nenagh to get parts for a Vauxhall Cavalier circa 2003 and seeing 1997/8 Hyundai’s abandoned. Hyundai should’ve been run out the country at that time.

Corolla was the top selling car in Ireland last year, and is second highest seller this year - after the Tucson

They’re selling more saloon Corollas than hatchbacks too, going totally against the trend.

Every single one this year and last was a hybrid. That’s fair going.

Hurrache

We had a Camry in the car pool for a while. I ordinarily have no need to use anything from it but got the Camry for a week last year. It's a miserable cheap place inside, the cabin and dash has a really dated and crappy feel. Even the boot lid felt quite cheap and tinny.

ELM327

jetsonx wrote: »

What kind of SUVS and cars do Karens drive?

2WD ones with "baby on board" stickers.

jetsonx

Larbre34 wrote: »

Tucsons.

Always.

ELM327 wrote: »

2WD ones with "baby on board" stickers.

I'm getting a very good picture of the type of driver.

As Christmas time, she will put a little pair of antlers on each side of the Tuscon. This, and along with the baby on board sticker, is to signal to people what a great fun personality she has...

ba_barabus

I'm fully planning on my next car being a Camry. Took one out for a long drive before and absolutely loved it. I can't understand half the criticisms here.

coylemj

ba_barabus wrote: »

I'm fully planning on my next car being a Camry. Took one out for a long drive before and absolutely loved it. I can't understand half the criticisms here.

But as a relatively unloved (in Ireland) model, you need to carefully plan your exit strategy.

Not a problem with a Corolla but a major headache if you're trying to get rid of a Camry.

There's a reason that certain models of secondhand cars are popular with taxi drivers, one of them is steep depreciation.

ba_barabus

coylemj wrote: »

But as a relatively unloved (in Ireland) model, you need to carefully plan your exit strategy.

I've owned several Alfa's, Rovers, Renaults, Citroen and poorly built cars like VW's before and never had any issue selling them after.

pippip

ba_barabus wrote: »

I've owned several Alfa's, Rovers, Renaults, Citroen and poorly built cars like VW's before and never had any issue giving them away after.

corrected that for you :pac:

But seriously, there's no denying those makes over the years bought new suffer serious deprecation compared to others. Bought used isn't as bad.

Larbre34

Camrys are too expensive for what they are, too impractical for their footprint size, pleasant enough but not distinctive enough looking for discerning customers and what I think is the most noticeable mark against it - the price walk to the Lexus ES, which is the same car under the luxury, is minimal.

Although, I think the Highlander, which is the big SUV based on the Camry chassis, will now sell pretty well here.

maddness

Larbre34 wrote: »

Tucsons.

Always.

Mostly in white…

mikeorange

coylemj wrote: »

But as a relatively unloved (in Ireland) model, you need to carefully plan your exit strategy.

Not a problem with a Corolla but a major headache if you're trying to get rid of a Camry.

There's a reason that certain models of secondhand cars are popular with taxi drivers, one of them is steep depreciation.

Corolla are a dog to drive though

Camera with it's 2.5l, 215bhp and CVT box is much better in comparison.

I'd take one over a problematic noisy 520D

Larbre34

Larbre34 wrote: »

..........

Although, I think the Highlander, which is the big SUV based on the Camry chassis, will now sell pretty well here.

Aren't they €65k ish?
It'll be interesting to see how popular they are alright..... a BMW X5 xDrive45e xLine almost 400bhp yoke is the low €80k..... makes the highlander look terrible value IMO with the 2.5 etc etc ....... accepting the price difference etc

spitonmedickie

After a heap of trouble with a Passat bought a new Corolla saloon after leaving Dublin and embracing my return to my farming roots. If I got it for a decent price my next car might be a Camry (got used to the bigger car with the Passat) but it'd want to be a seriously good deal. Not sure I'd buy second hand again and as other said the Camry is a chunk of change new so the Corolla might just have to be driven into the ground and then see what's available in 10+ years.

spitonmedickie

Augeo wrote: »

Aren't they €65k ish?
It'll be interesting to see how popular they are alright..... a BMW X5 xDrive45e xLine almost 400bhp yoke is the low €80k..... makes the highlander look terrible value IMO with the 2.5 etc etc ....... accepting the price difference etc

€76k for the top spec one which seems very saucy.

jetsonx

spitonmedickie wrote: »

After a heap of trouble with a Passat

what kind of issues?

spitonmedickie

spitonmedickie wrote: »

€76k for the top spec one which seems very saucy.

With the Landcruiser BUSINESS - LWB AUTO (5 SEATS – N1 CLASSIFIED) €68,613 Ex VAT I'm not sure there's much market for the Highlander to plunder in the 65/75k range.

7 seater sorento is under 60k.

R.O.R

A huge number of the vehicles sold in the sector the Camry is targetting, are sold to Fleets. With no VAT reclaim on Petrol, the running costs on a Camry are going to be substantially higher than a Diesel, unless it's doing tiny mileage, so there's little or no demand.