Dublin Marathon 2021

geodesic · 06-05-2021 04:09PM

Consonata wrote: »

I don't have a 2021 entry currently, so I'm guessing there is little chance of me getting a hold of one out of refunds?

Similar question asked on twitter ... https://twitter.com/dublinmarathon/status/1389917140044636164

Bananaleaf · 06-05-2021 06:46PM

FinnC wrote: »

I can see another lottery alright between those that have an entry since last year. Anyone then that had an entry and doesn’t get selected will be able carry over until 2022 for guaranteed entry. It would be disappointing not to be selected but most reasonable people would understand I’m sure.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see a change of route also.

If they are considering this, would be good if they could offer the option of a deferral to 2022 first, and then if enough don't take them up on it they can thin out the crowd via a lottery.

I'd prefer not to run it this year and wait until next year. However, if the only options I have are run it in 2021 or take a refund, then I'll run it this year.

franciscanpunk · 06-05-2021 07:50PM

If it a cost issue with running it with lower numbers i think they should just offer people the option of refund, defer until 2022 or pay extra to enter a lottery for a place in reduced 2021 event. if you dont get a place in the lotto, then you are back to the refund or defer option.

If Belfast goes ahead it surely will too

event · 06-05-2021 08:47PM

If they go ahead with it I'd hope a few things:

If its reduced capacity, anyone with an entry from 2020 who doesn't get in to this one gets in to 2022.

Anyone who is offered a place can defer themselves to 2022.

kilns · 07-05-2021 09:17AM

As an Irish person living abroad but with an entry, despite me coming back to Ireland in July for month I would be happy to accept a deferral until 2022 and for this October I would look closer to home (Paris or Frankfurt) for another option.

sk8board · 07-05-2021 10:13AM

How much of a tourist marathon is Dublin usually? 20%?
As the marathon is a weekend city street entertainment event, the business case is also based on inbound tourist runners staying for 2-3 nights, and maybe taking their family or partners for support.
It’s a big event for the city economy.

If they wanted the marathon to run just for continuity reasons and have a winner, they’ll do an elite only marathon.
A reduced size of domestic only runners would need to be heavily subsidised - and justified.
Playing devils advocate - The covid recommendations will say that runners can run any day, all lockdown, where so many other sports couldn’t - they just can’t race.

PCX · 07-05-2021 11:25AM

sk8board wrote: »

How much of a tourist marathon is Dublin usually? 20%?
As the marathon is a weekend city street entertainment event, the business case is also based on inbound tourist runners staying for 2-3 nights, and maybe taking their family or partners for support.
It’s a big event for the city economy.

If they wanted the marathon to run just for continuity reasons and have a winner, they’ll do an elite only marathon.
A reduced size of domestic only runners would need to be heavily subsidised - and justified.
Playing devils advocate - The covid recommendations will say that runners can run any day, all lockdown, where so many other sports couldn’t - they just can’t race.

We have to start getting back to normal some time even if we have to be cautious.

Dublins economy will benefit from domestic travel to the marathon too. I'm sure many Irish runners from outside of the pale book hotels and bring family along for support. They also shop and eat meals in restaurants. Given many people will not have a foreign holiday that is even more likely to be the case this year.

A fairly big portion of the domestic marathon runners would be raising money for charity. Cancelling the event or having it as elite only will eat into important revenue streams for charities across Ireland.

sk8board · 07-05-2021 08:35PM

PCX wrote: »

We have to start getting back to normal some time even if we have to be cautious.

Dublins economy will benefit from domestic travel to the marathon too. I'm sure many Irish runners from outside of the pale book hotels and bring family along for support. They also shop and eat meals in restaurants. Given many people will not have a foreign holiday that is even more likely to be the case this year.

A fairly big portion of the domestic marathon runners would be raising money for charity. Cancelling the event or having it as elite only will eat into important revenue streams for charities across Ireland.

Very good point about the charities. Again though, it reinforces the point that the marathon is actually far more than just the needs of 18k runners.
In many ways, it’s an ideal large outdoor test event for reopening. We’re years away from a full house at a concert in the Point otherwise.

Burkie1203 · 07-05-2021 10:44PM

sk8board wrote: »

Very good point about the charities. Again though, it reinforces the point that the marathon is actually far more than just the needs of 18k runners.
In many ways, it’s an ideal large outdoor test event for reopening. We’re years away from a full house at a concert in the Point otherwise.

Govt are talking about 12-15000 at Croker or Aviva by July. if that's the case then marathon goes ahead.

inthehole1 · 08-05-2021 09:02PM

What is the story with anyone that had applied for
the gfa entry last year,will there be a way to get an entry
this way if the marathon goes ahead

seant5215 · 09-05-2021 07:45AM

inthehole1 wrote: »

What is the story with anyone that had applied for
the gfa entry last year,will there be a way to get an entry
this way if the marathon goes ahead

Organisers replied to a similar question on FB and stated that all who applied for the 2020 GFA will get a entry if it goes ahead.
Fingers crossed

kilns · 18-05-2021 02:08PM

Considering New York have announced a 60% capacity for their marathon this year, where does that leave Dublin, considering Ireland has one of the most conservative governments when it comes to Covid in the world.

I would suspect a marathon with 5000-7000 runners confined to laps of the Phoenix park

SeeMoreBut · 18-05-2021 02:55PM

kilns wrote: »

Considering New York have announced a 60% capacity for their marathon this year, where does that leave Dublin, considering Ireland has one of the most conservative governments when it comes to Covid in the world.

I would suspect a marathon with 5000-7000 runners confined to laps of the Phoenix park

How do you run it in the park. Leaders coming through a group of people. I doubt they want to do that

jams100 · 18-05-2021 03:45PM

kilns wrote: »

Considering New York have announced a 60% capacity for their marathon this year, where does that leave Dublin, considering Ireland has one of the most conservative governments when it comes to Covid in the world.

I would suspect a marathon with 5000-7000 runners confined to laps of the Phoenix park

New York was one of the hardest parts on the US and they've been very conservative since (like ourselves).

We'll just have to wait and see what happens, personally I don't see why it couldn't go ahead (Being outdoors / high vaccination rate etc.) barring a new varient that doesn't work on current vaccines.

I wouldn't be too bothered if they said no to the international racers this year either as they would be higher risk of bringing in a varient if there was to be one floating around come September/October

Edit: There are still 33k taking part in New York marathon, which isn't a small number (60% of their 2019 capacity)

rovers_runner · 18-05-2021 07:27PM

The fact there will be around 30,000 taking part in the litigation capital of the world is a good enough sign for me.

I'd imagine insurance and federal approval was a job to get across the line but fair play to them.

average_runner · 19-05-2021 08:54AM

kilns wrote: »

Considering New York have announced a 60% capacity for their marathon this year, where does that leave Dublin, considering Ireland has one of the most conservative governments when it comes to Covid in the world.

I would suspect a marathon with 5000-7000 runners confined to laps of the Phoenix park

I think its down to more insurance costs than anything else.

average_runner · 19-05-2021 08:55AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Govt are talking about 12-15000 at Croker or Aviva by July. if that's the case then marathon goes ahead.

Won't be the government that is blocking it. UK is having major issues getting races going ahead, all due to insurance cost or lack of cover. Same will apply here

Cabaal · 22-05-2021 04:23PM

I honestly can't see it happening and would be very surprised if it does happen at all, I expect it to be a repeat of last year

sgal · 23-05-2021 08:04PM

I don’t know much about the difficulty of insurance bar anecdotal evidence etc but if the government are considering 30k at the all Ireland in august then a large participation event like the marathon in late October must be a feasible option (insurance difficulties notwithstanding)

ariana` · 24-05-2021 11:02AM

sgal wrote: »

I don’t know much about the difficulty of insurance bar anecdotal evidence etc but if the government are considering 30k at the all Ireland in august then a large participation event like the marathon in late October must be a feasible option (insurance difficulties notwithstanding)

Croke Park holds over 80k so I imagine the argument will be that 30k in Croker allows for 1 metre social distancing - close the Hill and use every 2nd seat or something along those lines. It'll be hard to apply social distancing to the marathon start area

Burkie1203 · 24-05-2021 12:43PM

ariana` wrote: »

Croke Park holds over 80k so I imagine the argument will be that 30k in Croker allows for 1 metre social distancing - close the Hill and use every 2nd seat or something along those lines. It'll be hard to apply social distancing to the marathon start area

Its outdoor.
Known rate of infection 0.1%
By October = Minimum 85% of population vaccinated

We are still getting roughly 475 cases a day. Yet hospitalizations and ICU numbers are falling.

You don't need social distancing to be rigidly enforced. DCM2019 and I walked through the corral at the start with hardly anyone near me (9.30 group)

ariana` · 24-05-2021 12:54PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Its outdoor.
Known rate of infection 0.1%
By October = Minimum 85% of population vaccinated

We are still getting roughly 475 cases a day. Yet hospitalizations and ICU numbers are falling.

You don't need social distancing to be rigidly enforced. DCM2019 and I walked through the corral at the start with hardly anyone near me (9.30 group)

I hear ya 100% but I find it hard to see it happening. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong, I'd like nothing more than for it to go ahead. I don't have an entry but I have a hotel booked & I'm excited at the prospect of spectating so I'll be keeping everything crossed for it

Van.Bosch · 24-05-2021 02:43PM

ariana` wrote: »

Croke Park holds over 80k so I imagine the argument will be that 30k in Croker allows for 1 metre social distancing - close the Hill and use every 2nd seat or something along those lines. It'll be hard to apply social distancing to the marathon start area

I would argue 30,000 in a stadium is riskier than 20,000 doing a marathon if starting is staggered.

Also the 30,000 is pencilled in for August, two months later things should be even better

ultrapercy · 24-05-2021 03:13PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

I would argue 30,000 in a stadium is riskier than 20,000 doing a marathon if starting is staggered.

Also the 30,000 is pencilled in for August, two months later things should be even better

the big stumbling block for any event is confidence for the organisers. A big outlay 6 months in advanced with the risk of further variants and another lockdown is probably too risky for an event thats struggling finiancially as it is. The expo is probably a no go so thats also a massive revenue stream gone.

FinnC · 24-05-2021 04:06PM

Why would the expo be a no go when shopping centres all over the country are opened now?
I was in Liffey Valley the other day and it was jam packed, can’t see any reason why an Expo couldn’t go ahead next October.

daydorunrun · 24-05-2021 04:17PM

200 waves of 100 people..... be grand!

Not too hopeful of it going ahead personally. Have booked Manchester 3 weeks earlier, if Dublin goes ahead it'll be a bonus.

Burkie1203 · 24-05-2021 08:23PM

ultrapercy wrote: »

the big stumbling block for any event is confidence for the organisers. A big outlay 6 months in advanced with the risk of further variants and another lockdown is probably too risky for an event thats struggling finiancially as it is. The expo is probably a no go so thats also a massive revenue stream gone.

That could be said for anything. Why open book shops in case of another variant, or why open gyms etc.

We are still averaging close on 500 cases a day yet the number of people in hospital and the number of people admitted to ICU keeps falling.

Close on 300,000 vaccines last week by all accounts. In 5 weeks time when DCM have to make a decision, another 1,000,000+ vaccines will have been administered.

By August, anyone who wants a vaccine will have the option.

ultrapercy · 24-05-2021 10:56PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

That could be said for anything. Why open book shops in case of another variant, or why open gyms etc.

We are still averaging close on 500 cases a day yet the number of people in hospital and the number of people admitted to ICU keeps falling.

Close on 300,000 vaccines last week by all accounts. In 5 weeks time when DCM have to make a decision, another 1,000,000+ vaccines will have been administered.

By August, anyone who wants a vaccine will have the option.

I don't think the comparrison with shoos, gyms etc is valid. They must plan and invest now for something which may be upskittled in 6 months time. They would need a very high precentage gaurantee to take the risk and Im not sure thats there. We'll probably know more by the end of the week. I think it could go ahead safely but I understand why an organiser of any event may be reluctant to take the risk.

Burkie1203 · 25-05-2021 04:02PM

ultrapercy wrote: »

I don't think the comparrison with shoos, gyms etc is valid. They must plan and invest now for something which may be upskittled in 6 months time. They would need a very high precentage gaurantee to take the risk and Im not sure thats there. We'll probably know more by the end of the week. I think it could go ahead safely but I understand why an organiser of any event may be reluctant to take the risk.

80-85% of population vaccinated by then.

Flu season didn't prevent the marathon going ahead.

Sure snow could come on the Friday and linger for a few weeks.

Burkie1203 · 27-05-2021 09:05PM

5000 at large outdoor venues from august.

That's the marathon out the window

Dublin Marathon 2021

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