Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Blut2 · 24-05-2021 04:11PM

Yapamillias wrote: »

I had a digital copy emailed to me from LA county. It has a QR code that you have to scan to get the info. I had the physical card but I thought the digital copy would be better.

The officer wouldn't entertain the fact I had the digital copy. He kept asking where it was and why didn't I bring it.

Me: I have a digital copy
Him: Where is the card?
Me: Back in LA
Him: Why did you not bring it?
Me: I was told that the digital copy was enough when traveling
Him: I didn't ask you what you were told, I asked you why you didn't bring it
Me: ...
Me: I can show you a photo of the card
*shows card*
Him: It looks like it has been altered (they wrote a 2 instead of a 4 initially and just wrote over it on the date part)
*Show him the digital proof from the website with my info*
Me: Thats why they said digital proof is best...because the card is easy to alter
Him: Next time bring your card

Thanks for that. Thats pretty ridiculous. They're going to have so many different proofs of vaccination given to them, from every country around, very shortly. They'll surely have to get a bit more accepting....or at least polite.

24-05-2021 04:17PM

Blut2 wrote: »

Thanks for that. Thats pretty ridiculous. They're going to have so many different proofs of vaccination given to them, from every country around, very shortly. They'll surely have to get a bit more accepting....or at least polite.

I must have missed the part where the guy was refused entry and bundled back onto a plane

Blut2 · 24-05-2021 04:24PM

An Irish person returning home, with very obvious valid proof of vaccination (whos going to be able to fake a scannable QR code?) being subjected an intense grilling by an immigration officer, after a long haul flight, isn't exactly accepting.

And its not at all logistically practical either - Dublin airport doesn't have enough booths (or staffing) for immigration officers to spend extensive periods of time grilling every arrival.

naufragos123 · 24-05-2021 04:32PM

Yapamillias wrote: »

I had a digital copy emailed to me from LA county. It has a QR code that you have to scan to get the info. I had the physical card but I thought the digital copy would be better.

The officer wouldn't entertain the fact I had the digital copy. He kept asking where it was and why didn't I bring it.

Me: I have a digital copy
Him: Where is the card?
Me: Back in LA
Him: Why did you not bring it?
Me: I was told that the digital copy was enough when traveling
Him: I didn't ask you what you were told, I asked you why you didn't bring it
Me: ...
Me: I can show you a photo of the card
*shows card*
Him: It looks like it has been altered (they wrote a 2 instead of a 4 initially and just wrote over it on the date part)
*Show him the digital proof from the website with my info*
Me: Thats why they said digital proof is best...because the card is easy to alter
Him: Next time bring your card

I don't know how others feel but I consider that tone from the Garda unacceptable. Saying "I didn't ask you what you were told, I asked you why you didn't bring it." I would do a double take, look the officer in the eye and tell him/her straight that I didn't appreciate the tone.

It's bad enough grilling people at airports, the every least you would expect is civility. Or are we really turning into a police state? :mad:

saabsaab · 24-05-2021 04:36PM

naufragos123 wrote: »

I don't know how others feel but I consider that tone from the Garda unacceptable. Saying "I didn't ask you what you were told, I asked you why you didn't bring it." I would do a double take, look the officer in the eye and tell him/her straight that I didn't appreciate the tone.

It's bad enough grilling people at airports, the every least you would expect is civility. Or are we really turning into a police state? :mad:

You'd be escalating the situation. All he is doing is trying to clarify the point. Why not answer the question instead of trying to get into bother.

Yapamillias · 24-05-2021 04:39PM

naufragos123 wrote: »

I don't know how others feel but I consider that tone from the Garda unacceptable. Saying "I didn't ask you what you were told, I asked you why you didn't bring it." I would do a double take, look the officer in the eye and tell him/her straight that I didn't appreciate the tone.

It's bad enough grilling people at airports, the every least you would expect is civility. Or are we really turning into a police state? :mad:

Ive been conditioned to treat the immigration officers with the utmost respect no matter how their tone can be. Prob because I travel to the states a lot for work.

Blut2 wrote: »

An Irish person returning home, with very obvious valid proof of vaccination (whos going to be able to fake a scannable QR code?) being subjected an intense grilling by an immigration officer, after a long haul flight, isn't exactly accepting.

And its not at all logistically practical either - Dublin airport doesn't have enough booths (or staffing) for immigration officers to spend extensive periods of time grilling every arrival.

They had 4 booths open and spend a decent amount of time checking everyone on the Istanbul to Dublin flight. 99% of them were checked and then sent to wait for the hotel quarantine. Only one lad on the flight went through the turnstiles.
There was one lad that told me he was circumventing the UK laws whatever they are by coming through Ireland to go back to the UK.

normanoffside · 24-05-2021 04:40PM

Feria40 wrote: »

I saw this question posed on another non-boards forum and the answer seemed to be....there is no solution..

Question.

Whenever we are allowed travel again and you are in say Spain. 2 week holiday and 48 hours before you are due to return home you rock up for your PCR test.. and it's positive.

$hitballs anyway but you need to do your two week isolation period in Spain.

Time is up and you feel fine, but your PCR tests Keep coming up positive, we know that this can happen for weeks afterwards. You are not infectious but you are stuck abroad..

What do you do then?

I

I know a few people who have been in this situation (A very obvious reason for using Antigen tests)...anyway if you contact DFA and explain the situation with evidence of dates of the positive PCR, they can help out.

a_squirrelman · 24-05-2021 04:44PM

saabsaab wrote: »

You'd be escalating the situation. All he is doing is trying to clarify the point. Why not answer the question instead of trying to get into bother.

All he is doing is being a smart arse.

Edit: and i mean the garda.

josip · 24-05-2021 04:51PM

Yapamillias wrote: »

Ive been conditioned to treat the immigration officers with the utmost respect no matter how their tone can be. Prob because I travel to the states a lot for work.

When you say 'officer', was it a guard or a civilian you were dealing with?

naufragos123 · 24-05-2021 04:56PM

saabsaab wrote: »

You'd be escalating the situation. All he is doing is trying to clarify the point. Why not answer the question instead of trying to get into bother.

How would I be "escalating the situation"? And what situation? The Garda was clearly being rude and patronising and that is unacceptable. And how would calmly pointing out that you don't appreciate the tone get you into "bother"? We're not in Nazi Germany.

saabsaab, I think you're too deferential to those in authority. The Gardai and immigration officers must be treated with respect but equally importantly they must treat the passengers with respect.

Happydays2020 · 24-05-2021 05:07PM

naufragos123 wrote: »

I don't know how others feel but I consider that tone from the Garda unacceptable. Saying "I didn't ask you what you were told, I asked you why you didn't bring it." I would do a double take, look the officer in the eye and tell him/her straight that I didn't appreciate the tone.

It's bad enough grilling people at airports, the every least you would expect is civility. Or are we really turning into a police state? :mad:

Yes we are.

24-05-2021 05:10PM

naufragos123 wrote: »

I don't know how others feel but I consider that tone from the Garda unacceptable. Saying "I didn't ask you what you were told, I asked you why you didn't bring it." I would do a double take, look the officer in the eye and tell him/her straight that I didn't appreciate the tone.

It's bad enough grilling people at airports, the every least you would expect is civility. Or are we really turning into a police state? :mad:

Do you know it was a garda?

jellies · 24-05-2021 05:14PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Julien Mercille, ISAG member and who wrote many articles against travel including this weekend. Here is his job description:
“Julien Mercille is an academic at University College Dublin's School of Geography, Planning & Environmental Policy.”

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/indian-variant-a-game-changer-and-must-not-be-made-welcome-40457384.html

He refers to travellers as barbarians in this article...

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/racist-rhetoric-jo-cox-murder-2829666-Jun2016/

"On the death of Jo Cox: Racist rhetoric contributes to the rise in violence"

Same fella wrote an article about racist rhetoric. But no problem using scare tactics and inflammatory language to support his own arguments. Pathetic.

Tazz T · 24-05-2021 05:17PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Anyone who wants to dismiss facts as conspiracy theorist has lost the argument.

https://twitter.com/julienmercille/status/1396385403280691200?s=21

Julien Mercille, ISAG member and who wrote many articles against travel including this weekend. Here is his job description:
“Julien Mercille is an academic at University College Dublin's School of Geography, Planning & Environmental Policy.”

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/indian-variant-a-game-changer-and-must-not-be-made-welcome-40457384.html

He refers to travellers as barbarians in this article...

Here is Cathal Walsh, NPHET member tweeting his anti travel stance & re tweeting Gerry Killeen ISAG member.

https://twitter.com/isabelo20183051/status/1396413868189097987?s=21

Our current travel policy is indefensible in my opinion due to our position as an island, most affected by Brexit, members of the EU & projected vaccine roll out.

Indeed. Infection numbers collapsing in Greece this week two weeks after opening up to European and US tourists. Clearly, we should be doing the same instead of watching our figures treading water.

Wombatman · 24-05-2021 05:27PM

Spanish rules.

From the June 7, travellers from safe European territories, those listed in green according to the classification of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (the ECDC), will not have to meet sanitary entry requirements.

EU citizens with a 2-dose vaccination series completed 14 days before travel or with proof of overcoming Covid can enter Spain without a PCR test even if their country is listed as orange, red or dark red according to the ECDC's map.

Need to get to green here.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Dr. Em · 24-05-2021 05:41PM

Wallander wrote: »

I was wondering what the rules might be for travel from the Republic via Belfast to a UK amber list destination in regard to what you need on return to Belfast. I found on the UK govt website the following advice, which applies to England but I expect is the same in N Ireland. In short you just need a pre-departure PCR test:

Transiting through the UK
Before travel to the UK

If you will be transiting through the UK, you need to do the following before you travel to the UK:

take a COVID-19 test
complete the passenger locator form

If you will be transiting landside through the UK, you need to do the following when you complete your passenger locator form.

select ‘Stay in the UK’ under the Your travel plans section
reply ‘No’ to any questions about whether you are required to complete COVID-19 tests on arrival
reply ‘No’ to the question ‘Have you visited a Red List country within the past 10 days and/or are required by law to quarantine in a government approved facility?’

When you transit through the UK

You do not need to quarantine or take a COVID-19 test on arrival or on day 2 and day 8.

This applies if you are transiting ‘airside’ or ‘landside’.

There are different rules for Scotland.

If you are transiting landside (entering the UK from outside the Common Travel Area), you must be entering the UK for the sole purposes of continuing a journey to a country outside of the Common Travel Area. You must either:

remain within your port of entry until your departure from England, or
travel directly from your port of entry to another port of departure in England

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-safer-air-travel-guidance-for-passengers#transiting-through-the-uk

Ireland is not outside the Common Travel Area. What you quoted only applies to transiting through the UK to a country outside of the CTA.

Micky 32 · 24-05-2021 05:46PM

Pilots call for antigen testing to speed up reopening of international travel :

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40297364.html

Oh and in other news Donnelly claims we’ll be wearing masks until winter because we could be getting “more” variants that the vaccine won’t work on. If that’s their thinking why would they let us travel?

Lumen · 24-05-2021 05:58PM

Wombatman wrote: »

Spanish rules.

Need to get to green here.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Green for us is <90 cases a day.

That'll take a while.

Ray Donovan · 24-05-2021 06:45PM

Wombatman wrote: »

Spanish rules.

Need to get to green here.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

How can one get a proof of overcoming Coronavirus that Spanish authorities would accept? Surely the text from the HSE wont cut it anyways.

embraer170 · 24-05-2021 06:48PM

Tinder Surprise wrote: »

Outbound flight to Italy end of June just got cancelled (Ryanair)

Yes, Ryanair took a bunch of flights out of the system today.

If I was half suspicious, many of those were flights where they were selling €5 fares last week.

24-05-2021 07:05PM

Wombatman wrote: »

Spanish rules.

Need to get to green here.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Thats actually worse than the old system wherby Ireland being fully orange meant we didnt need PCR

24-05-2021 07:07PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Pilots call for antigen testing to speed up reopening of international travel :

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40297364.html

Oh and in other news Donnelly claims we’ll be wearing masks until winter because we could be getting “more” variants that the vaccine won’t work on. If that’s their thinking why would they let us travel?

In other news, criminals call for crimes to be legalised and Turkeys call for a vegan Christmas

saabsaab · 24-05-2021 07:18PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Pilots call for antigen testing to speed up reopening of international travel :

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40297364.html

Oh and in other news Donnelly claims we’ll be wearing masks until winter because we could be getting “more” variants that the vaccine won’t work on. If that’s their thinking why would they let us travel?

Surely no one can have a problem with masks? They may help the opening up process too.

Foxtrol · 24-05-2021 07:23PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Pilots call for antigen testing to speed up reopening of international travel :

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40297364.html

Oh and in other news Donnelly claims we’ll be wearing masks until winter because we could be getting “more” variants that the vaccine won’t work on. If that’s their thinking why would they let us travel?

The kind of thinking that masks should go before we can start back up travel is disastrous. Masks can still have a place with travel open, it isn't an either or situation.

My concern is that elements of government, their advisors, and the media will try to paint it as that though.

Travel, especially for the fully vaccinated, is far far safer than shutting down mask wearing

naufragos123 · 24-05-2021 07:40PM

What's the current position with travelling to Spain for us Irish? Is it still negative PCR even if fully vaccinated? Is it just the Brits that don't need a PCR?

Sorry if that question seems stupid or has been asked. It's difficult to keep up.

Micky 32 · 24-05-2021 07:42PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

The kind of thinking that masks should go before we can start back up travel is disastrous. Masks can still have a place with travel open, it isn't an either or situation.

No one said ditch masks before the start up of travel. If travel actually ever does start up it will be before the winter. Personally i have no problem with masks but it was more the moronic reason he plucked out of his arse. It’s very unlikely or a very low risk a scariant will ever emerge to evade vaccines , going by the reading and my own research. Something i wouldn’t be losing sleep or biting my nails about.

Feria40 · 24-05-2021 07:57PM

naufragos123 wrote: »

What's the current position with travelling to Spain for us Irish? Is it still negative PCR even if fully vaccinated? Is it just the Brits that don't need a PCR?

Sorry if that question seems stupid or has been asked. It's difficult to keep up.

You will need a PCR both ways followed by home quarantine on return.

Of course you may have some trouble actually getting off this island as non essential travel is illegal and punishable by death, sorry I mean €2k fine.

We'll find out on Friday, or most likely by leaks in advance, what the latest position is after the cabinet meeting this Friday

Yapamillias · 24-05-2021 07:58PM

josip wrote: »

When you say 'officer', was it a guard or a civilian you were dealing with?

Im not 100% sure if the guys in the boxes are Garda or immigration officers specifically. Maybe they are duel purpose? The non boxed Garda were really nice actually..talking to people and saying welcome etc.

VG31 · 24-05-2021 08:03PM

Yapamillias wrote: »

Im not 100% sure if the guys in the boxes are Garda or immigration officers specifically. Maybe they are duel purpose? The non boxed Garda were really nice actually..talking to people and saying welcome etc.

Unless it's changed in the last year T1 immigration is INIS (civilians) and T2 is the Gardai.

EDIT: it's possible that they're both INIS now, I'm not sure.

Happydays2020 · 24-05-2021 08:12PM

Ironic really. On the touch site this is page 747 but there will not be much of those for the foreseeable.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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