Cocaine

Tomaldo · 22-05-2021 11:29pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you are arguing against a point I didn't make.

and what was your point about something being relevant?

Tomaldo · 22-05-2021 11:51pm

Strumms wrote: »

While none of us can speak for Shakespeares experience...

The rest of them if not millionaires, certainly had bulging six or seven figure bank balances at a minimum, plenty of work and certain safety nets to fall back on. A phone call to the priory clinic, give them your credit card number and you end up here...the Priory..

Not going to play out that way for the rest of us.

Of the people I named I don't know how many, if any, went to rehab. Ringo Starr did who was another coke user, but alcohol was a bigger problem for him. They say that what doesn't kill u makes u stronger, it's true in his case, he's the healthiest looking septuagenarian/octogenaria I've seen.

ohnonotgmail · 23-05-2021 12:51am

Tomaldo wrote: »

and what was your point about something being relevant?

I was simply pointing out that your post had no relevance to the post you quoted. quite simple really.

Tomaldo · 23-05-2021 1:32am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I was simply pointing out that your post had no relevance to the post you quoted. quite simple really.

which post, could u be more specific please, say it in black and white, with no ambiguity. I really want to know.

ohnonotgmail · 23-05-2021 7:30pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no, the pipe did not contain cocaine.

Tomaldo wrote: »

"Traces" of cocaine, anyway can u tell me how coke affected him (assuming he took it) or Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger, they both made millions from their music, "dated" the most beautiful women on the planet, received knighthoods and r still alive in their late seventies.

Tomaldo wrote: »

which post, could u be more specific please, say it in black and white, with no ambiguity. I really want to know.

Because you need everything spoonfed to you i have included my post and your reply that has no relevance to what i posted. I wont be responding to your nonsense further.

Tomaldo · 23-05-2021 11:19pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Because you need everything spoonfed to you i have included my post and your reply that has no relevance to what i posted. I wont be responding to your nonsense further.

"Nonsense" anything I posted can be googled for veracity. I believe it's relevant to name high-achieving, drug-taking adults whose lives weren't adversely affected by the experience. It makes my blood boil when I see/hear highly-paid journalists/broadcasters allow anti-drugs propaganda go unchallenged e.g. I heard an ex judge say cocaine is poison on Marian Finucane's show, it's not, but she didn't challenge or correct him on that untruth. A caller on Joe Duffy said anyone who takes drugs is "guaranteed", to become a thief, again unchallenged and he should know that's not true, 'cos his friend Gerry Ryan took it and I don't recall him being convicted of any robberies. Claire Byrne when asking a retired superintendent about ending prohibition said what about the "scourge" of drugs. Why didn't she just say drugs, I thought she was supposed to be impartial. Anyway, adios, no hard feelings.

tdf7187 · 23-05-2021 11:24pm

Strumms wrote: »

While none of us can speak for Shakespeares experience...

The rest of them if not millionaires, certainly had bulging six or seven figure bank balances at a minimum, plenty of work and certain safety nets to fall back on. A phone call to the priory clinic, give them your credit card number and you end up here...the Priory..

Not going to play out that way for the rest of us.

The Priory is not all it's cracked up to be. I personally know of several that relapsed shortly after leaving. There was also some negative recent publicity regarding the Priory in the UK media.

Anyone with half-decent private health insurance can access similar or better rehab facilities in Ireland, incidentally.

A luxury rehab does not necessarily lead to long term abstinence. For some, the opposite is the case.

guy2231 · 23-05-2021 11:29pm

Gobb wrote: »

Without the demand, there is no need to supply. So yes, users are a contributing factor.

However, dealers/gangs/etc know what they are getting into as with any "profession" one might decide to employ themselves in.

So the same could be said with cigarettes and alcohol.

tdf7187 · 23-05-2021 11:30pm

Tomaldo wrote: »

Of the people I named I don't know how many, if any, went to rehab. Ringo Starr did who was another coke user, but alcohol was a bigger problem for him. They say that what doesn't kill u makes u stronger, it's true in his case, he's the healthiest looking septuagenarian/octogenaria I've seen.

If he's the healthiest looking septuagenarian/octegenarian you've ever seen it's because he's sober and clean for forty years, not because he overindulged in alcohol and drugs when he was younger.

Keith Richards, who only got sober and clean in relatively recent years, has looked like death warmed up for decades (though seems to have maintained reasonably good health - guess he was lucky).

tdf7187 · 23-05-2021 11:31pm

Tomaldo wrote: »

They weren't always rich, they became wealthier AFTER they took it. Anyway as far as I know, rich people only have one body, the same as everyone else.

You are seriously suggesting that cocaine helped them to become wealthy? Ludicrous.

Tomaldo · 23-05-2021 11:57pm

tdf7187 wrote: »

You are seriously suggesting that cocaine helped them to become wealthy? Ludicrous.

I didn't say it "helped" them become wealthy, you're twisting my words but taking cocaine did not "prevent" them becoming wealthier.

guy2231 · 24-05-2021 12:02am

No sympathy for people with happy and joyful lives who become addicted but I have plenty of sympathy for people with deep depression or other mental health problems who become addicted because of the natural craving to be happy and stop feeling bad.

Cocaine is a very casual drug it causes no physical withdrawals and is very hard to become addicted to, most people become addicted after years of casual usage.

If anyone wants to know more about addiction check out the Ted talks on youtube a good example in the video is a study on rats, rats who had big cages with lots of things to do and rat friends to play with almost never touched the cocaine water apart from a couple of times but the rats who were in cages alone with nothing to do and no other rats to socialise with almost always drank the cocaine water and would eventually kill themselves with it.

Very similar to how humans behave with hard drugs in general.

Tomaldo · 24-05-2021 12:09am

tdf7187 wrote: »

If he's the healthiest looking septuagenarian/octegenarian you've ever seen it's because he's sober and clean for forty years, not because he overindulged in alcohol and drugs when he was younger.

Keith Richards, who only got sober and clean in relatively recent years, has looked like death warmed up for decades (though seems to have maintained reasonably good health - guess he was lucky).

Again I didn't say drugs caused his longevity, he went to rehab in 1988 (nearer 30 years than 40), he turned 38 that year, 10 years older than Amy Winehouse when she died from alcohol poisoning. Keith Richards is in his late seventies, a lot of health-fanatics don't reach that milestone and very few people win beauty contests at that age.

guy2231 · 24-05-2021 12:17am

Tomaldo wrote: »

Again I didn't say drugs caused his longevity, he went to rehab in 1988 (nearer 30 years than 40), he turned 38 that year, 10 years older than Amy Winehouse when she died from alcohol poisoning. Keith Richards is in his late seventies, a lot of health-fanatics don't reach that milestone and very few people win beauty contests at that age.

Cocaine can be used relatively safely, the same people ending up in A&E from coke are the same people ending up in A&E from alcohol people who have have no self control or people who just feel like they are invincible.

virginmediapls · 24-05-2021 2:41am

guy2231 wrote: »

Cocaine can be used relatively safely, the same people ending up in A&E from coke are the same people ending up in A&E from alcohol people who have have no self control or people who just feel like they are invincible.

Not true. Cocaine can cause sudden random heart failure at any time. Especially the **** we get in Ireland, since you don't have a clue what's inside it. This is far, far less likely to happen with a more regulated, far less dangerous alcohol.

Strumms · 24-05-2021 2:58am

guy2231 wrote: »

Cocaine can be used relatively safely, the same people ending up in A&E from coke are the same people ending up in A&E from alcohol people who have have no self control or people who just feel like they are invincible.

I don’t agree.

Cocaine is not a regulated product.

It’s manufacturing is not regulated, audited or observed.

It’s storage and transport is not regulated, audited or observed.

It’s sale is not regulated, audited or observed.

Alcohol, is regulated, it’s manufacturing processes audited and observed.

Locations that sell it are regulated, audited and observed...

All done to protect the public. Cocaine is a drug, manufactured and distributed by criminals, gangsters and cretins, without any checks and balances on it’s manufacturing, storage and quality... brought to market by the most undesirable dodge merchants going.

Tomaldo · 24-05-2021 3:22am

Strumms wrote: »

I don’t agree.

Cocaine is not a regulated product.

It’s manufacturing is not regulated, audited or observed.

It’s storage and transport is not regulated, audited or observed.

It’s sale is not regulated, audited or observed.

Alcohol, is regulated, it’s manufacturing processes audited and observed.

Locations that sell it are regulated, audited and observed...

All done to protect the public. Cocaine is a drug, manufactured and distributed by criminals, gangsters and cretins, without any checks and balances on it’s manufacturing, storage and quality... brought to market by the most undesirable dodge merchants going.

And that's why it should be legalised, regulate and make it safer.

24-05-2021 8:01am

Tomaldo wrote: »

And that's why it should be legalised, regulate and make it safer.

....and that is a topic for a different thread.

The OP's question that so many coke heads in this thread are avoiding is "do you think cocaine users in Ireland have some responsibility for the gang warfare that is destroying parts of the country?"

Wanderer78 · 24-05-2021 8:11am

2011 wrote:

The OP's question that so many coke heads in this thread are avoiding is "do you think cocaine users in Ireland have some responsibility for the gang warfare that is destroying parts of the country?"

Bit of a silly question though, logic cannot be used in regards the use of highly addictive substances, it's why pricing of alcohol probably won't make the blindess bit of difference in regards consumption. the whole idea is based on 'personal responsibility', this is an attempt to exonerate societies part in dealing with such complexities

tdf7187 · 24-05-2021 9:15am

guy2231 wrote: »

Cocaine can be used relatively safely, the same people ending up in A&E from coke are the same people ending up in A&E from alcohol people who have have no self control or people who just feel like they are invincible.

Addiction is a disease. Sadly your view is all too prevalent.

PalLimerick · 24-05-2021 9:17am

Yes of course.

guy2231 · 24-05-2021 9:22am

virginmediapls wrote: »

Not true. Cocaine can cause sudden random heart failure at any time. Especially the **** we get in Ireland, since you don't have a clue what's inside it. This is far, far less likely to happen with a more regulated, far less dangerous alcohol.

Yes it can but that rarely ever ever happens and if it does it is because of a pre existing heart condition or the user used far too much.

Did I say it was risk free? You seem to have misread my posy I said it could be used relatively safely what I meant was in comparison to many other drugs.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-05-2021 9:33am

2011 wrote: »

....and that is a topic for a different thread.

The OP's question that so many coke heads in this thread are avoiding is "do you think cocaine users in Ireland have some responsibility for the gang warfare that is destroying parts of the country?"

Can we expnad that to "do consumers have some responsibility for the social and ethical issues acaused by the creation of their products?"

ChickenDish · 24-05-2021 9:40am

Advocates of cocaine are indifferent to the death and misery its existence causes, they are self absorbed and all they care about is their self gratification.

Its always the same playground argument to legalise it - alcohol and cigarettes are legal why can't hard drugs be legal. Alcohol and cigarettes cause enough health issues and heartache without adding to it by legalising class A drugs.

At what point do these people think enough is enough, do you legalise heroin too, or is it only your drug of choice that matters.

I've seen first hand your harmless drug cocaine ruin lives.

Wanderer78 · 24-05-2021 10:13am

ChickenDish wrote: »

Advocates of cocaine are indifferent to the death and misery its existence causes, they are self absorbed and all they care about is their self gratification.

Its always the same playground argument to legalise it - alcohol and cigarettes are legal why can't hard drugs be legal. Alcohol and cigarettes cause enough health issues and heartache without adding to it by legalising class A drugs.

At what point do these people think enough is enough, do you legalise heroin too, or is it only your drug of choice that matters.

I've seen first hand your harmless drug cocaine ruin lives.

ive never touched an illegal drug, thank god, and im at the point, legalise the lot, yes it ll be extremely problematic, extremely risky and extremely dangerous to do so, but.......

Strumms · 24-05-2021 1:10pm

ChickenDish wrote: »

Advocates of cocaine are indifferent to the death and misery its existence causes, they are self absorbed and all they care about is their self gratification.

Its always the same playground argument to legalise it - alcohol and cigarettes are legal why can't hard drugs be legal. Alcohol and cigarettes cause enough health issues and heartache without adding to it by legalising class A drugs.

At what point do these people think enough is enough, do you legalise heroin too, or is it only your drug of choice that matters.

I've seen first hand your harmless drug cocaine ruin lives.

Our health shyster system is already overburdened by addicts and addiction...

By making drugs more accessible it’s going to make the situation worse... I’ve already posted the numbers.

I’ve been in a&e following an assault at midnight and walked out of there at 4.45 having had the wound cleaned only, sun was coming up with my head still split open and concussed, I’d been sitting there since 11.30 pm the previous evening.. but junkie after junkie, cokeheads scumbag after scumbag arrived and knew the staff and got preferential treatment as they just wanted them in and gone..

WhiteMemento9 · 24-05-2021 1:12pm

Do people who use Apple products, buy cheap mass-produced clothes, etc have blood on their hands?

Wanderer78 · 24-05-2021 1:24pm

Strumms wrote: »

Our health shyster system is already overburdened by addicts and addiction...

By making drugs more accessible it’s going to make the situation worse... I’ve already posted the numbers.

I’ve been in a&e following an assault at midnight and walked out of there at 4.45 having had the wound cleaned only, sun was coming up with my head still split open and concussed, I’d been sitting there since 11.30 pm the previous evening.. but junkie after junkie, cokeheads scumbag after scumbag arrived and knew the staff and got preferential treatment as they just wanted them in and gone..

...so what should we do with our rising addiction issues?

guy2231 · 24-05-2021 1:30pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...so what should we do with our rising addiction issues?

We could do what Portugal did, decriminalise small amounts of all drugs and use the money we would save by helping addicts get past their addiction by offering them treatment and life opportunities.

Strumms · 24-05-2021 1:31pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...so what should we do with our rising addiction issues?

We should deter people further from going down that path.

Tough sentences for both use and supply of drugs...

Fûck this idea that addicts are victims, they are not...

They have made choices that are detrimental to the health and wellbeing of themselves and the state...

We’ve almost developed an ‘awhhh’ attitude to addiction and drug addiction / use...

Education is in the school, they are ‘choosing’ a path, a life, why should the rest of us have to foot the fücking bill ?

Cocaine

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