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Belarus forces Ryanair plane to divert *NO GENERAL POLITICS* *MOD WARNING POST 1*

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    #32
    AnRothar
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    I remember reading about the Americans forcing an aircraft carrying suspected hijackers from the achile lauro (?) to land at a NATO base in Italy.
    Monkey see, monkey do.


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    #33
    Lmkrnr
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    AnRothar wrote: »
    I remember reading about the Americans forcing an aircraft carrying suspected hijackers from the achile lauro (?) to land at a NATO base in Italy.
    Monkey see, monkey do.

    I think a few Iranian tankers were also detained in international/European water's by the EU at the behest of the United States.


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    #34
    Larbre34
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    AnRothar wrote: »
    I remember reading about the Americans forcing an aircraft carrying suspected hijackers from the achile lauro (?) to land at a NATO base in Italy.
    Monkey see, monkey do.

    And you don't see any distinction in the circumstances? None at all?


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    #35
    josip
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    plodder wrote: »
    Even if it is deleted, the recollection of the crew should be fresh enough. Given they were closer to Vilnius than Minsk at the time, I'd say they remember what was said well enough.


    If they were closer to Vilnius than Minsk, why didn't the captain decide it was in the better interest of its plane and passengers to continue to Vilnius if there was a bomb on board?


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    #36
    cailinoBAC
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    https://mobile.twitter.com/niktwick/status/1396544097314385920


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    #37
    plodder
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    josip wrote: »
    If they were closer to Vilnius than Minsk, why didn't the captain decide it was in the better interest of its plane and passengers to continue to Vilnius if there was a bomb on board?
    Maybe when they were told 'we're sending a MIG up to escort you to Minsk' they decided that's where they were going. Or the language could have been even more direct than that. We don't know yet.


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    #38
    c.p.w.g.w
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    Is their any Belarusian consolate in Ireland?


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    #39
    Cookiemunster
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    josip wrote: »
    If they were closer to Vilnius than Minsk, why didn't the captain decide it was in the better interest of its plane and passengers to continue to Vilnius if there was a bomb on board?
    It probably had something to do with the MiG 29 that was sent to escort it to Minsk.


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    #40
    plodder
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    PommieBast wrote: »
    There seems to be similarities with the Evo Morales grounding when the US was after Edward Snowden.
    That's interesting. There are similarities alright, but there's a big difference between refusing entry to someone, and forcing them out of the air, on a completely false pretense.


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    #41
    cailinoBAC
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    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    Is their any Belarusian consolate in Ireland?

    No, London is closest


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    #42
    Dyr
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    Dempo1 wrote: »
    Essentially a state sponsored Hijacking by all accounts, whilst NOTHING will of course happen, Belarus a complete basket case, Simon Coveney about to realise how Toothless the UN security Council is, the one he's been salivating over since Ireland got a pointless seat on it.

    Should be very simple to deny access to European airspace for flights into and out of Belarussia.


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    #43
    Dohvolle
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    Noxegon wrote: »
    SP-RSM is the aircraft involved.

    I can’t imagine the crew have Belarusian visas. What is the protocol in that situation?

    They are denied entry to the country, let get back on the plane and on their way.


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    #44
    Strumms
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    wonski wrote: »
    It's not about money. Belarus will pay the costs without any problems.

    That's not the issue here.

    It’s political yes. But as a matter of principle AND politics the money is an issue... inconvenience them, demean them, let them know they cannot act the cünt without being hit with adverse publicity and a bill...they have to be aware they can’t do it without consequences. No matter how insignificant.


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    #45
    cnocbui
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    It's an act of air piracy. I don't expect anything concrete to be done about it. Some hot air, a bunch of easily ignored words, no meaningful consequences.

    The west has no balls. China continues it's expansionism, Russia grabs Crimea, Georgian territory; both of them commit acts of war via hacking. China thumbs it's nose over the Covid19 origins investigation. Nothing is done. Those quisling Germans sign up for a gas pipeline to Russia, FFS!. Belarus commits air piracy and the west just does nothing more than saying please behave.

    Will Germany say get your pet thug to hand him back or you can stick your pipeline, we'd rather restart the reactors? Will they hell.


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    #46
    Larbre34
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    Cnocbui 100% correct on all points.

    Sanctions do nothing except punish the people already subjugated by the totalitarian regimes in these Countries.

    On this particular issue, if that Ryanair plane belonged to certain other Countries, Belarus could look forward to air strikes on its assets if it failed to return the detained passenger and make reparations for this act of air piracy and State perpetrated terrorism.

    As it stands, the flight and in fact the aircraft are of Ryanair's Polish operation which is a horse of a different colour. If Poland choose to retaliate and with them as a NATO member, it puts Ireland in an entirely unfamiliar position.


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    #47
    Polar101
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    Tough times for the Irish government - they might have to do something since it was an Irish aircraft on an intra-EU flight that was hijacked. Or will they think tweeting "this is unaccceptable" is enough?

    https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1396551162602602496


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    #48
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    Would it not have been easier to assassinate that lad, make it look like an accident?

    Most of Europe wouldn't have heard or cared about it. Now, instead, there is a huge international incident that's going to cause a lot of noise and shine a spotlight on Belarusian authorities.


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    #49
    goingnowhere
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    No liveatc coverage so no independent ATC tape...

    Good odds there is some phone footage, passengers are not going to miss getting a video of a Mig 28 and the pilots are not going to take instructions from a Mig unless they can see it, so you would assume the usual captain side intercept


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    #50
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    Polar101 wrote: »
    Tough times for the Irish government - they might have to do something since it was an Irish aircraft on an intra-EU flight that was hijacked. Or will they think tweeting "this is unaccceptable" is enough?

    https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1396551162602602496

    Is it an Irish aircraft? It’s registered in Poland and owned by the polish Ryanair subsidiary


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    #51
    JohnC.
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Would it not have been easier to assassinate that lad, make it look like an accident?

    Most of Europe wouldn't have heard or cared about it. Now, instead, there is a huge international incident that's going to cause a lot of noise and shine a spotlight on Belarusian authorities.

    Maybe that’s the point. Make a big scene. Make a point. Any consequences will be chicken feed. What real consequences has been paid by Russia for shooting down an airliner? Nothing of consequence to them. Belarus is pretty much in the same mould.


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    #52
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    JohnC. wrote: »
    Maybe that’s the point. Make a big scene. Make a point. Any consequences will be chicken feed. What real consequences has been paid by Russia for shooting down an airliner? Nothing of consequence to them. Belarus is pretty much in the same mould.

    That's almost impressive in its awfulness.


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    #53
    Larbre34
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    Mayo_fan wrote: »
    Is it an Irish aircraft? It’s registered in Poland and owned by the polish Ryanair subsidiary

    Yes, the wholly owned Ryanair subsidiary, a designated activity company registered and headquartered in Ireland.


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    #54
    goingnowhere
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    Polar101 wrote: »
    Tough times for the Irish government - they might have to do something since it was an Irish aircraft on an intra-EU flight that was hijacked. Or will they think tweeting "this is unaccceptable" is enough?

    https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1396551162602602496
    It was a Ryanair Sun/Buzz, so Polish register, and technically owned by a Polish entity which is a subsidiary of an Irish PLC.

    All the IAA can do is issue an order than no Irish register aircraft to fly in/out/over Belarus and refuse overflight of any Belarus registered.


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    #55
    Polar101
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    Mayo_fan wrote: »
    Is it an Irish aircraft? It’s registered in Poland and owned by the polish Ryanair subsidiary

    Maybe not, but at least the airline has some connections with Ireland.


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    #56
    wonski
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    Strumms wrote: »
    It’s political yes. But as a matter of principle AND politics the money is an issue... inconvenience them, demean them, let them know they cannot act the cünt without being hit with adverse publicity and a bill...they have to be aware they can’t do it without consequences. No matter how insignificant.

    Asking a country to pay for a landing of one plane won't make any difference at all.

    Do you honestly think Belarus will be affected by paying Ryanair a compensation? Peanuts for any country, even third world country.


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    #57
    Strumms
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    wonski wrote: »
    Asking a country to pay for a landing of one plane won't make any difference at all.

    Do you honestly think Belarus will be affected by paying Ryanair a compensation? Peanuts for any country, even third world country.

    It’s the principle for a start..while they are not adversely affected you still don’t let them take the piss, more then they are..

    And obviously while not a deterrent but if you roll over you’ll get fücked, so don’t...

    bill for fuel, overtime, APU, any other expenses,


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    #58
    harmless
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    https://twitter.com/RyanairPress/status/1396543331878981632

    Nothing untoward found, so I take it no passenger was removed from the plane in Minsk.


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    #59
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    Irish aircraft register is here:

    https://www.iaa.ie/commercial-aviation/aircraft-registration-2/latest-register-and-monthly-changes-1


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    #60
    STB.
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    harmless wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/RyanairPress/status/1396543331878981632

    Nothing untoward found, so I take it no passenger was removed from the plane in Minsk.


    Nothing untoward is referring to the premise upon which the flight was diverted. IE a bomb.


    And NO you cannot take it that no passenger was removed from the flight. That is not what the statement says.


    6 people are missing from the flight, 2 of them against their will. The other 4 are foreign agents.


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    #61
    Cloudio9
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    goingnowhere wrote: »
    It was a Ryanair Sun/Buzz, so Polish register, and technically owned by a Polish entity which is a subsidiary of an Irish PLC.

    All the IAA can do is issue an order than no Irish register aircraft to fly in/out/over Belarus and refuse overflight of any Belarus registered.

    This incident is way above the pay grade of anyone in the IAA.

    It’s an Irish airline. If anyone wants to argue it’s Polish it’s like trying to argue half of Alitalia’s planes are Irish because they fly on EI registrations or the Metrojet A321 that was blown up was Irish instead of Russian.


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