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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #1952
    [Deleted User]
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Read that in one of the papers earlier this week. Tourists hauling bottles of o2 up a mountain and poor devils dying in hospitals for lack of o2.
    World gone mad.

    Not quite as simple as that. The tourist dollars yay Everest expeditions bring in (and it is substantial) are crucial for local economies and, yes, that includes hospitals


  • #1953
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,093 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Temple Bar Dublin is in the news again over crowds gathered for take away pints
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #1954
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Temple Bar Dublin is in the news again over crowds gathered for take away pints

    Great to see


  • #1955
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Temple Bar Dublin is in the news again over crowds gathered for take away pints

    Wonderful.

    People back at work, business getting back up and running and the public at large enjoying themselves in the safest manner possible.


  • #1956
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Hopefully can get going with the vaccine rollout before the Indian variant becomes a problem here.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1396397770924232704


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  • #1957
    fits
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Not quite as simple as that. The tourist dollars yay Everest expeditions bring in (and it is substantial) are crucial for local economies and, yes, that includes hospitals

    I’m amazed it’s gone ahead this year. Virus is obviously rampant at base camp and it would be quite possible to come down with infection at higher camps and become incapacitated very quickly with no easy rescue possible . It’s madness.


  • #1958
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    Hopefully can get going with the vaccine rollout before the Indian variant becomes a problem here.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1396397770924232704

    He never ever highlights the actual numbers unless they're terrifying, when they don't say much he just makes vague statements that suggest things are really bad. Bolton hospital numbers have gone from 20 covid patients last week, to 24 this week.

    Fiona Noden, chief executive of Bolton NHS Foundation Trust said: “While we have seen a small increase in the number of patients we are treating for Covid there has been no impact on any other hospital services.”


  • #1959
    Deeper Blue
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    Would people ever stop posting Eric Feigl Ding tweets FFS


  • #1960
    wadacrack
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    Johnny0Toole wrote: »
    He never ever highlights the actual numbers unless they're terrifying, when they don't say much he just makes vague statements that suggest things are really bad. Bolton hospital numbers have gone from 20 covid patients last week, to 24 this week.

    Fiona Noden, chief executive of Bolton NHS Foundation Trust said: “While we have seen a small increase in the number of patients we are treating for Covid there has been no impact on any other hospital services.”

    Many scientists share a similar view . Its the pattern that is worrying not the numbers atm.

    https://twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/1396416400412000256


  • #1961
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    Many scientists share a similar view . Its the pattern that is worrying not the numbers atm.

    https://twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/1396416400412000256

    I don't doubt that this variant will become the dominant strain in the UK, it's well on it's way to that. And of course it should be approached with caution and monitored closely.

    But it also looks to be the case that the current vaccines do work reasonably well against it.

    Suggesting hospitals are already filling up is nonsense at this point, there has been a slight increase in the worst affected area in the UK, but if you were to take his tweet at face value you'd think it was full on crisis again, which is simply not the case.

    Countries that haven't got a strong vaccine programme yet should be very careful to reduce the chances of this strain taking hold as it does appear to have a transmission advantage.


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  • #1962
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Johnny0Toole wrote: »
    I don't doubt that this variant will become the dominant strain in the UK, it's well on it's way to that. And of course it should be approached with caution and monitored closely.

    But it also looks to be the case that the current vaccines do work reasonably well against it.

    Suggesting hospitals are already filling up is nonsense at this point, there has been a slight increase in the worst affected area in the UK, but if you were to take his tweet at face value you'd think it was full on crisis again, which is simply not the case.

    Countries that haven't got a strong vaccine programme yet should be very careful to reduce the chances of this strain taking hold as it does appear to have a transmission advantage.


    They do work well, that's why I said its a race between vaccines and this new variant a few days ago.
    Variants of concern are likely to stay continuing to be a problem.
    HSE need to set out precise outbreak management surveillance at this stage. Rather than just looking at what the UK are doing and copying weeks later.
    I hope Holohan and C are asked about this at some stage. What is the plan going forward etc


  • #1963
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    They do work well, that's why I said its a race between vaccines and this new variant a few days ago.
    Variants of concern are likely to stay continuing to be a problem.
    HSE need to set out precise outbreak management surveillance at this stage. Rather than just looking at what the UK are doing and copying weeks later.
    I hope Holohan and C are asked about this at some stage. What is the plan going forward etc

    I'd agree with all that.


  • #1964
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,897 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    wadacrack wrote: »
    They do work well, that's why I said its a race between vaccines and this new variant a few days ago.
    Variants of concern are likely to stay continuing to be a problem.
    HSE need to set out precise outbreak management surveillance at this stage. Rather than just looking at what the UK are doing and copying weeks later.
    I hope Holohan and C are asked about this at some stage. What is the plan going forward etc

    I don 't agree that any country is following the UK . Obviously their research is being looked at , with such a large population semi vaccinated , just like Israel was of interest to everybody

    Their decision to space out Pfizer doses so far ( 12 weeks ) is one of the reasons they are worried about this growth in the Indian variant which is a threat to all those vulnerable cohorts of people only with one dose.
    They are now trying to row back and get second doses sooner into these people who are much more at risk of serious illness and death than some of the younger age groups that they have been vaccinating recently so that they could open up .


  • #1965
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,024 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Guys just wanna check something here.
    I’ve been informed that one of my daughters is a close contact from the childcare.
    We are going for a test today.
    Do I have to restrict her movements and take her out of school for 10 days if her test comes back negative?
    If it’s positive she’s out for 14 days?

    Also her older sister is in the same childcare setting but different pod so she’s not classed as a close contact but I’m getting her tested too.
    Should I be taking her outta school too?

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/school-and-covid-19/if-your-child-is-a-close-contact-of-covid-19-in-school.html


  • #1966
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,897 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Guys just wanna check something here.
    I’ve been informed that one of my daughters is a close contact from the childcare.
    We are going for a test today.
    Do I have to restrict her movements and take her out of school for 10 days if her test comes back negative?
    If it’s positive she’s out for 14 days?

    Also her older sister is in the same childcare setting but different pod so she’s not classed as a close contact but I’m getting her tested too.
    Should I be taking her outta school too?

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/school-and-covid-19/if-your-child-is-a-close-contact-of-covid-19-in-school.html

    Yes afaik , out for 10 days and 2 tests unless you are informed otherwise .


  • #1967
    ZX7R
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    So its gone from black clouds on the horizon, to grey clouds that need monitoring,
    They be doing weather forecasts next!


  • #1968
    Cork2021
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    ZX7R wrote: »
    So its gone from black clouds on the horizon, to grey clouds that need monitoring,
    They be doing weather forecasts next!

    Looks like it but at least grey clouds you can eat and drink outside......


  • #1969
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Looks like it but at least grey clouds you can eat and drink outside......

    Very true


  • #1970
    tom1ie
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes afaik , out for 10 days and 2 tests unless you are informed otherwise .

    Thanks.
    So we are going for the first test now when do we go for the second?


  • #1971
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Well after being an advocate of the best vaccine is the one offered first I am now slightly miffed that the 60-69 all got Astra Zeneca . To get a decent efficy against the Indian variant we need to have a second dose and that is 12 weeks instead of 4 with Pfizer . I feel a bit peed off today that we got absolutely no choice whatsoever at the time
    Glad to be vaccinated of course but it seems the spiel with consider yourself fully vaccinated 4 weeks after dose 1 was not strictly true .


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  • #1972
    corkie
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    https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1396492638388473863

    As of midnight, Saturday 22nd May, the @hpscireland
    has been notified of 438* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

    43 in ICU. 116 in hospital.

    *Daily case numbers may change due to future data validation.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • #1973
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Well after being an advocate of the best vaccine is the one offered first I am now slightly miffed that the 60-69 all got Astra Zeneca . To get a decent efficy against the Indian variant we need to have a second dose and that is 12 weeks instead of 4 with Pfizer . I feel a bit peed off today that we got absolutely no choice whatsoever at the time
    Glad to be vaccinated of course but it seems the spiel with consider yourself fully vaccinated 4 weeks after dose 1 was not strictly true .

    It certainly seems for less serious symptomtic illness that Pfizer is better, but for serious it may be more similar. Some have said that after a period further down the road, the 2 vaccines may be more similar in efficacy.

    I do wonder whether there are implications for HCW's if they are all working and not as protected against variants.


  • #1974
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Well after being an advocate of the best vaccine is the one offered first I am now slightly miffed that the 60-69 all got Astra Zeneca . To get a decent efficy against the Indian variant we need to have a second dose and that is 12 weeks instead of 4 with Pfizer . I feel a bit peed off today that we got absolutely no choice whatsoever at the time
    Glad to be vaccinated of course but it seems the spiel with consider yourself fully vaccinated 4 weeks after dose 1 was not strictly true .

    The Indian variant probably didn't exist when you got vaccinated and astra still has efficy, just not as high.


  • #1975
    hmmm
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    Many scientists share a similar view . Its the pattern that is worrying not the numbers atm.
    Going on just anecdotal reports from the UK this variant is spreading rapidly within a community which perhaps left its guard down over social distancing. There's a high secondary attack rate in the stats which to me (a non expert) suggests heavy spread in poorer areas with more people living in close confines.

    I think we'll need to wait & see what the statistics are when this starts spreading in the wider population to really get an idea of transmission dynamics.


  • #1976
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Well after being an advocate of the best vaccine is the one offered first I am now slightly miffed that the 60-69 all got Astra Zeneca . To get a decent efficy against the Indian variant we need to have a second dose and that is 12 weeks instead of 4 with Pfizer . I feel a bit peed off today that we got absolutely no choice whatsoever at the time
    Glad to be vaccinated of course but it seems the spiel with consider yourself fully vaccinated 4 weeks after dose 1 was not strictly true .

    Do you mean that it's a 12 week wait before you are fully protected?


  • #1977
    brickster69
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    Widdensushi wrote: »
    The Indian variant probably didn't exist when you got vaccinated and astra still has efficy, just not as high.

    They will be going to court next wanting money back for AZ not making a vaccine that was 100% effective against something that never existed at the time.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #1978
    Fann Linn
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Do you mean that it's a 12 week wait before you are fully protected?

    3 weeks effective after your second dose so either 15 weeks or 19 weeks in total for AZ.


  • #1979
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Well after being an advocate of the best vaccine is the one offered first I am now slightly miffed that the 60-69 all got Astra Zeneca . To get a decent efficy against the Indian variant we need to have a second dose and that is 12 weeks instead of 4 with Pfizer . I feel a bit peed off today that we got absolutely no choice whatsoever at the time
    Glad to be vaccinated of course but it seems the spiel with consider yourself fully vaccinated 4 weeks after dose 1 was not strictly true .

    It wasn't true at all, and that's why it wasn't actually said. Where did you hear that?


  • #1980
    Lumen
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Well after being an advocate of the best vaccine is the one offered first I am now slightly miffed that the 60-69 all got Astra Zeneca . To get a decent efficy against the Indian variant we need to have a second dose and that is 12 weeks instead of 4 with Pfizer . I feel a bit peed off today that we got absolutely no choice whatsoever at the time

    Source?

    The PHE study doesn't show that. It shows 33% effectiveness after three weeks of the first AZ dose. Previous UK studies show AZ effectiveness increasing until at least 5 weeks, from recollection. It may well continue climbing after that.


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  • #1981
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    It certainly seems for less serious symptomtic illness that Pfizer is better, but for serious it may be more similar. Some have said that after a period further down the road, the 2 vaccines may be more similar in efficacy.

    I do wonder whether there are implications for HCW's if they are all working and not as protected against variants.

    Yes I understand that when 2 nd dose of AZ is given it has the same efficy as Pfizer after 2nd dose
    The issue is the wait for second dose is 12 weeks with only 33% cover on the Indian variant . Or am I reading that wrong ?


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