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Star Wars: The Mandalorian [** Spoilers **] [Disney+] (US Pace)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,254 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Is this thread even about the show anymore?

    The amount of people, not just here but across boards, who defend people's rights to be utter arseholes is depressing. :(


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    flazio wrote: »
    Is this thread even about the show anymore?

    The amount of people, not just here but across boards, who defend people's rights to be utter arseholes is depressing. :(

    Something something cancel culture?

    It's also a remarkable amount of discussion around what amounted to a bit player with almost zero characterisation. To be fair with the season over and few details about season 3 revealed there's not much else to talk about :)


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Look it's Grogu eating a stolen macaron - the cheeky scallywag!
    baby-yoda-macaron-header.jpg

    (more fun than the debate).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,298 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    But is that macaroon blue, green or turquoise?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,176 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    But is that macaroon blue, green or turquoise?

    Turquoise, that's rebel scum talk.

    On a serious note, I did laugh when they appeared in the episode. Coffee run person was in charge of the set design and just banged a load of macaroons on it to get around the fact he went out on the batter the night before and forgot about it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    For some it is more than just trolling but even if she is one of the true believers, trolling is a key feature of what she is doing. I think for a large majority they don't truly believe much of what they are saying, like a sports fan they just believe whatever the opposite of the enemy- 'the liberals'. We've seen Trump supporters flip flop on their opinions of things as he has and time and again without any concern. Most of what she has gotten herself involved in is the right wing version of 'virtue signaling' (how I hate all these terms).

    I strongly disagree on your point about trolling and Trump - the main problem isn't that what most of Trump was doing was trolling, it is not understanding how the media (traditional and social) are completely incapable or unwilling to deal with it in a way that doesn't amplify the problem further.

    I think it’s got very little to do with trolling. While I agree politics is very partizan, especially in the US, and both parties tend to flip flop depending on which way the wind is blowing, I think in Gina Caranos case, it’s is a great example of why it isn’t just trolling. I mean Trump did get almost 75m votes in 2020. This alone should raise some red flags.

    Having watched the Ben Shapiro interview it explains it a bit more for me.

    Carano comes across as someone who is not the brightest bulb in the pack, but also someone who means to cause no offence, She says that 2020 was her first time voting, she’s not very political, but seems like a susceptible person. She genuinely thought her posts where think pieces :D

    I can see how someone like Carano would subscribe into this way of thinking, and I do think with today’s technology, it is in large parts a big problem, for instance, after watching that interview, my YouTube feed keeps recommending me Ben Shapiro and cancel Disney videos. If I clicked a flat earth videos it would do the same. Social media reinforces my line of thinking, giving me tailored, biased news based on something I was curious about, add this to the very addictive nature of social media and people like Ben Shapiro who are only too happy to gain from peoples vulnerabilities and it’s a recipe for disaster.

    I’m in no way trying to defend Carano but I would like to understand situations like this a bit more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    kerplun k wrote: »
    I think it’s got very little to do with trolling. While I agree politics is very partizan, especially in the US, and both parties tend to flip flop depending on which way the wind is blowing, I think in Gina Caranos case, it’s is a great example of why it isn’t just trolling. I mean Trump did get almost 75m votes in 2020. This alone should raise some red flags.

    The majority of whom were simply Republican voters who would have given their mark to a potato if it ran under that party.

    Don't be mistaking that number as "Trump voters". Most of them were just voting for the same party they always vote for.

    The single most important red flag that should be thrown up is the fact that the Republican Party chose to continue supporting someone like Trump, even with all the dangers that he represented and all the nefarious types of bases he chose to draw power from.

    It took an assault on the Capitol by a bunch of revved up loons for some of them to finally change their minds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    Tony EH wrote: »
    The majority of whom were simply Republican voters who would have given their mark to a potato if it ran under that party.

    Don't be mistaking that number as "Trump voters". Most of them were just voting for the same party they always vote for.

    The single most important red flag that should be thrown up is the fact that the Republican Party chose to continue supporting someone like Trump, even with all the dangers that he represented and all the nefarious types of bases he chose to draw power from.

    It took an assault on the Capitol by a bunch of revved up loons for some of them to finally change their minds.

    Yeah i think this dangerously underestimates what Trump did

    Trump got ~12M more votes than in 2016
    if you count those that died between elections its closer to ~19m who did not vote for him in 2016 voted for him in 2020

    That is not about having a R after his name , that is serious quantities of people making the effort to vote for Trump


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Ok guys, while I've been part of this segue myself, invoking Trump is possibly the point where I'd suggest we dial back the conversation to something on-topic again. Plenty of threads on Boards about Trump et al.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,298 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Since the next season is due in December, is there any Star Wars planned before then or will it be all Marvel?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Relikk


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    Since the next season is due in December, is there any Star Wars planned before then or will it be all Marvel?

    https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1364643758109679616


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    Since the next season is due in December, is there any Star Wars planned before then or will it be all Marvel?

    Season 3 doesn't have a release date yet, just some time in 2022. Boba Fett is next December. Any yea as mentioned above, just the Bad Batch until then, no live action unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,254 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    To be fair, there wasn't anything between season 1 and 2 anyway.

    Never seen Clone Wars before so now you have a near 40 year old taking up a Saturday morning cartoon regime.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    flazio wrote: »
    To be fair, there wasn't anything between season 1 and 2 anyway.

    We got season 7 of the Clone Wars between season 1 and 2, and that was some of the best Star Wars I content I have ever seen.
    flazio wrote: »
    Never seen Clone Wars before so now you have a near 40 year old taking up a Saturday morning cartoon regime.

    It starts off a bit rocky, and has the odd bit of filler, but it is an amazing show for all age groups.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Relikk


    flazio wrote: »
    Never seen Clone Wars before so now you have a near 40 year old taking up a Saturday morning cartoon regime.

    There's a good chronological guide to follow here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheCloneWars/wiki/recommended

    It filters out the filler, or non-critical story episodes. There are still 90+ episodes and the Clone Wars movie to get through, but it is well worth it. There are some fantastic villains introduced and some familiar ones expanded upon, and of course there's the wonderful Ahsoka Tano.
    Markitron wrote: »
    We got season 7 of the Clone Wars between season 1 and 2, and that was some of the best Star Wars I content I have ever seen.

    Easily the best Star Wars we've got from Disney since Rogue One. It was perfect.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    Relikk wrote: »
    Easily the best Star Wars we've got from Disney since Rogue One. It was perfect.

    Definitely, I am a big fan of TLJ so I would have that up there too.

    If the last 4 episodes of Clone Wars S7 were edited together as a movie, it would only be second to Empire IMO.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    But is that macaroon blue, green or turquoise?

    Yes


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    Since the next season is due in December, is there any Star Wars planned before then or will it be all Marvel?

    Next season isn’t in December.

    We are getting a Boba Fett series for Christmas. There is an end credits acne in the last Mando episode.

    I think Bad Batch might be coming before that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    flazio wrote: »
    To be fair, there wasn't anything between season 1 and 2 anyway.

    Never seen Clone Wars before so now you have a near 40 year old taking up a Saturday morning cartoon regime.

    Clone Wars is fantastic

    Here is the chronological order if you are interested

    https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    As much as I like the idea of 'The Clone Wars', its intimidating in its length especially when you factor in the Rebels TV series as well. I've a lot of TV to watch (even still!) so 150+ episodes is a big undertaking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,298 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Clone Wars was great, so looking forward to the Bad Batch.
    Rebels was also good. Resistance, not so much.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    ixoy wrote: »
    As much as I like the idea of 'The Clone Wars', its intimidating in its length especially when you factor in the Rebels TV series as well. I've a lot of TV to watch (even still!) so 150+ episodes is a big undertaking.

    The best thing about Clone Wars is that each season is broken is broken up into 2-4 episode arcs, and many of these can be watched individually. Obviously you won't get as much out of it as you would be watching all of it, but you can still enjoy large chunks of it without committing to watching ALL of it.

    The second battle of Geonosis arc (season 2 episode 5-8) and The Umbaran arc (season 5 episode 7-10) are particularly good arcs that can be enjoyed independently from the rest of the show. Just start there and see how you go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,254 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Markitron wrote: »
    We got season 7 of the Clone Wars between season 1 and 2, and that was some of the best Star Wars I content I have ever seen.



    It starts off a bit rocky, and has the odd bit of filler, but it is an amazing show for all age groups.
    Really? I just assumed that Clone Wars was been and gone long before Disney got involved. I seem to recall there was concern that it was going to be dispelled from canon once the Disney deal was done or am I thinking of another Star Wars branded property? It started out Warner Bros. didn't it?
    I'm about halfway through season 3 at this stage anyway. I'm a completist so no skipping for me.
    I'm also doing similar in Star Trek, running through every episode and movie in first transmission order. Up to Voyager/DS9 at the moment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    flazio wrote: »
    Really? I just assumed that Clone Wars was been and gone long before Disney got involved. I seem to recall there was concern that it was going to be dispelled from canon once the Disney deal was done or am I thinking of another Star Wars branded property? It started out Warner Bros. didn't it?
    I'm about halfway through season 3 at this stage anyway. I'm a completist so no skipping for me.
    I'm also doing similar in Star Trek, running through every episode and movie in first transmission order. Up to Voyager/DS9 at the moment.

    It started before Disney but they included it in their canon (unlike a lot of other elements, like most books). Disney even released the last season of the Clone Wars last year on Disney+


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    flazio wrote: »
    Really? I just assumed that Clone Wars was been and gone long before Disney got involved. I seem to recall there was concern that it was going to be dispelled from canon once the Disney deal was done or am I thinking of another Star Wars branded property? It started out Warner Bros. didn't it?
    I'm about halfway through season 3 at this stage anyway. I'm a completist so no skipping for me.
    I'm also doing similar in Star Trek, running through every episode and movie in first transmission order. Up to Voyager/DS9 at the moment.

    No, Clone wars began in 2008 and was at the start of its 5th season on the cartoon network when the Disney buyout happened in 2012. Season 6 was cancelled but the already completed episodes were released later on as the 'lost' episodes on streaming services and Blu-ray, this is currently labelled season 6 on D+. The crew for the show immediately started work on Rebels, when that show finished and D+ was gearing up, they took the scripts for the unproduced S6 episodes and fleshed it out into S7 which released this year - and is the highpoint of Star Wars animation.

    Even though it was cancelled it was never in danger of being de-canonised, it was created by Lucas and a had a large hand in the show from beginning to end.


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    Will the Bad Batch have any tie in to the live action series?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    Will the Bad Batch have any tie in to the live action series?

    Yes and no, won’t be anything major but all parts of Star Wars media are interacting with each other atm. Major plot lines from mando season 2 have their roots in clone wars and rebels. You don’t need to have seen those shows to enjoy mando but it gives it an extra flavour.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    Will the Bad Batch have any tie in to the live action series?

    It is possible.

    It is set in the early days of the Empire so about 25 years before Mando.

    It is possible that the Bad Batch could cross paths with characters like Gideon or Karga. And Bo-Kataan.

    As I type I have a notion that the Bad Batch might be the ones who took Grogu from the Jedi Temple and transported him to safety.

    I hope not though. I don’t everything explained and crossovers can make the Galaxy seem small.

    The Mandolorian has shown that the Galaxy is so big that there are people who don’t know what a Jedi is, that the man who took down Vader and the Emperor is not recognised. Even Rebels established that Vader was not a figure that was known throughout the Galaxy.

    Character crossovers can be fun but too many can spoil things.

    Of course then Lando, Hondo, Ashoka, etc show up in stuff and I love it :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,298 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Main thing to remember about these series is Clone Wars and rebels were both Dave Filoni and can be sure his work on those is the reason they trusted him with a live action episodic story such as Mandalorian. It's also why we're getting characters like Ahsoka showing up in Mando.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭RedRochey


    So if I wanted to start watching the animated shows where's the best place to start?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Relikk


    Start with the Clone Wars.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    RedRochey wrote: »
    So if I wanted to start watching the animated shows where's the best place to start?

    This is the chronological order for Clone Wars

    https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder

    The order isn’t essential and it is only few stories “mixed up”.

    Main cause is just that they decided to launch as feature film which affected the order at first. Then as I recall Lucas would often want to revisit some previously abandoned ideas or want to see more of a character who had already been killed. That kind of think.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    ILM released an FX reel for Season 2: shows where they used the famous LED wall - but interestingly, I had wondered if Moff's cruiser was a practical effect; just something about its textures ... and it was! I may have reservations about the content of the show but by goodness they put money into the look of the thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    The Obi-Wan has started filming Joel Edgerton, Bonnie Piesse, Moses Ingram, Kumail Nanjiani, Indira Varma, Rupert Friend, O’Shea Jackson Jr., Sung Kang, Simone Kessell and Benny Safdie have all joined the cast.

    Uncle Ben is back.

    ObiWanKenobi_CastingAnnounce.jpg?w=1024


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭golfball37


    The Obi-Wan has started filming Joel Edgerton, Bonnie Piesse, Moses Ingram, Kumail Nanjiani, Indira Varma, Rupert Friend, O’Shea Jackson Jr., Sung Kang, Simone Kessell and Benny Safdie have all joined the cast.

    Uncle Ben is back.

    ObiWanKenobi_CastingAnnounce.jpg?w=1024

    Was hoping they’d recast the lead. Thought mcgregor was awful in the prequels


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    golfball37 wrote: »
    Was hoping they’d recast the lead. Thought mcgregor was awful in the prequels

    That's definitely not a Ewan McGregor problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,891 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    The Bad Batch


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'm confused: aren't these supposed to be clones?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Gbear wrote: »
    That's definitely not a Ewan McGregor problem.

    The movies had many problems including him as Obi Wan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,832 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    golfball37 wrote: »
    Was hoping they’d recast the lead. Thought mcgregor was awful in the prequels

    What type of actor do you think would have done a better job? To me he got pretty close to a younger version of Alce Guinness's Obi Wan. He had a lot of clunkers of lines but that's not his fault.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    ^
    The problem is that he never sounded like anything other than a Scot trying to do an English public school accent and it was always uneasy. And coupled with the atrocious lines he was given to say, the whole thing gets compounded into a pretty poor performance. McGregor is a decent actor, but Kenobi wasn't his finest hour, even when you take the ineptitude of the prequels into account.

    Like others, I am distinctly nonplussed about this 'Kenobi' series. But it seems to be a one shot, so far. So if it's any use it might be worth a look. But frankly a Ben Kenobi TV show is probably the least interesting thing to do with Star Wars that I can think of right now.

    As to the idea of a recast, however, it's a firm no to that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,298 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    pixelburp wrote: »
    I'm confused: aren't these supposed to be clones?

    They are, but, as the name implies, these clones didn't come out quite right.
    Have you watched the Clone Wars series? They were introduced in the final season


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭OptimusTractor


    pixelburp wrote: »
    I'm confused: aren't these supposed to be clones?


    Aye. But they're genetically different to standard clones. Each clone was designed with a unique skillset. But this came with a rebellious streak and they were declared enemies of the Empire. Basically 40 year old teenagers with a touch of space magic.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Cool, that answers that. Wasn't going to watch this anyway but was curious how and where they fit into canon.

    As to criticism of McGregor, I think people are being harsh. I'll say the same of him as I did of Christensen; perfectly good actor, famously awful production, script and director. Any set of films that makes Samuel L Jackson sound bored automatically give a pass to its cast. Everyone was shít, except Ian McDiarmid, who was having a blast, treating the material with the ott energy it really needed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭RedRochey


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    They are, but, as the name implies, these clones didn't come out quite right.
    Have you watched the Clone Wars series? They were introduced in the final season

    Was just going to ask, be better to have watched the clone wars before watching this?

    I'm currently watching the clone wars in chronological order


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    RedRochey wrote: »
    Was just going to ask, be better to have watched the clone wars before watching this?

    I'm currently watching the clone wars in chronological order

    Nah, there are recurring characters, but the story isn't diminished by not having seen the Clone Wars.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The "rangers of the new republic" spin off is officially dead in the water apparently; no longer in "active development" according to sources. Didn't get the sense this was ever that far into production but you'd imagine the kerfuffle with Carano definitively killed it off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    pixelburp wrote: »
    The "rangers of the new republic" spin off is officially dead in the water apparently; no longer in "active development" according to sources. Didn't get the sense this was ever that far into production but you'd imagine the kerfuffle with Carano definitively killed it off.

    Apparently Bill Burr is getting his own spin off show instead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,253 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Apparently Bill Burr is getting his own spin off show instead.

    Yikes....

    I mean I'm a fan of Bill Burr, but I don't think he or the character have the chops to sustain a show centered around or even led by them. I think he works well in small doses, and was expecting maybe a multi-episode arc in the next series of The Mandalorian, but definitely not his own spin-off.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,554 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I don't think any of the side characters so far has had the umph needed for an entire show.

    TBH, I'm happy that this New Republic malarkey never got off the ground. It never sounded that interesting in the first place.


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