Navy pilots describe encounters with UFOs - 60 minutes

bewareofthedog · 22-05-2021 6:21am #1

Thought this was an excellent segment released last week - no speculation or conspiracies just the facts from high up Government officials and experienced pilots. The man and lady pilot towards the end describe the most bizarre encounter where one of the objects formed a shape in the sea and it was detected 60 miles away seconds later after speeding off.

Assuming these things do exist I'd speculate they're man made, some new technology coming out of China / Russia but who knows? Perhaps the US have developed such technology which is highly classified.

22-05-2021 7:45am

SortingYouOut wrote: »

This has been released by official US government sources and they consider it a flying object of unknown origin, so that's as far and as much as we know. That much isn't a conspiracy.

Yes, because the video contains flying objects of unknown origin. The video was captured along a regular flight route from Asia/Hawaii to Los Angeles. Because the video was taken with an out of focus triangular iris, the identity of those planes cannot be determined and they are therefore classified as unidentified flying objects.

It is neither fascinating nor interesting.

22-05-2021 8:04am

Wibbs wrote: »

He's hardly running to conspiracy, or at least not to the usual mad degree of those into that sorta thing.

Jumping from blurry triangles to "some new technology coming out of China / Russia" when easier explanations are available is, by definition, a conspiracy.

However other encounters are not so easily explained which is why there's a bit of a flap on at the moment. Where something is seen by radar of different types and frequencies, FLIR and the Mark 1 Human Eyeball, in some cases multiple times over periods of time and said something is behaving unusually and not like a normal aircraft. Something like a radar glitch or artefact is not going to be visible to the human eye, or give off a heat signature. Weather balloons don't fly into a 100 knot headwind and then take off at crazy speeds in another direction.

Not so easily explained, but explanations have been given that don't require conspiracies.

Wibbs · 22-05-2021 8:14am

Deleted User wrote: »

Jumping from blurry triangles to "some new technology coming out of China / Russia" when easier explanations are available is, by definition, a conspiracy.

Actually he posted a video about US Navy pilots describing encounters and went from that. You were the one who brought up "blurry triangles", not him.

Not so easily explained, but explanations have been given that don't require conspiracies.

Do tell. And not the blurry triangles example.

22-05-2021 8:16am

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually he posted a video about US Navy pilots describing encounters and went from that. You were the one who brought up "blurry triangles", not him.

Assuming these things do exist I'd speculate they're man made, some new technology coming out of China / Russia

What is the "they" he is referring to?

Wibbs wrote: »

Do tell. And not the blurry triangles example.

Sure, pick one out and provide a source to the original video rather than the montage so I can see it in full.

SortingYouOut · 22-05-2021 8:17am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jumping from blurry triangles to "some new technology coming out of China / Russia" when easier explanations are available is, by definition, a conspiracy.

Not so easily explained, but explanations have been given that don't require conspiracies.

What explanations have been given to shed light on these objects that have been picked up by several instruments, on aircraft or other, as well as the different human accounts? If it was just the human accounts, I'd be sceptical and thinking this lot are just looking for a pay out but the footage from the aircraft has been declassified along with the onboard voice recordings. Two separate pilots in separate planes witnessed this object, along with their instruments picking it up. I'm not saying it's out of this world but it's a flying object that's a lot faster than anything we know.

22-05-2021 8:20am

SortingYouOut wrote: »

What explanations have been given to shed light on these objects that have been picked up by several instruments, on aircraft or other, as well as the different human accounts? If it was just the human accounts, I'd be sceptical and thinking this lot are just looking for a pay out but the footage from the aircraft has been declassified along with the onboard voice recordings. Two separate pilots in separate planes witnessed this object, along with their instruments picking it up. I'm not saying it's out of this world but it's a flying object that's a lot faster than anything we know.

Which of the clips are you referring to?

SortingYouOut · 22-05-2021 8:26am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Which of the clips are you referring to?

Not your pyramid one anyway...

The clips I'm referring to were released by the pentagon about a year or so ago, along with the classified reports and statements from the pilots.

https://youtu.be/auITEKd4sjA

This is a released video from the pentagon and they have commented on them, as well as others who worked there at the time. It's to be spoken about in the senate soon, this is current affairs whether you like it or not.

Edit: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/16/pentagon-ufos-leaked-photos-uap

Article that gives some background and there's plenty out there. I don't have an explanation for them anyway and the US government doesn't either but they're often secretive, sure they kept the stealth bomber a secret for a while, had locals freaked at the sightings of it.

Samsonsmasher · 22-05-2021 8:30am

Absolutely fascinating. Once you conclude these objects are definitely craft of some sort and not any known or unknown natural phenomenon there are only two possibilities

1. Humanity has developed far more advanced technology than thought which has been kept secret due to a vast conspiracy.

2. We are not alone in the universe and these things come from another planet or parallel dimension or the past or the future.

Either way what we thought was sci fi is real and if this technology is revealed or these visitors reveal themselves it will change the world.

22-05-2021 8:33am

SortingYouOut wrote: »

The clips I'm referring to were released by the pentagon about a year or so ago, along with the classified reports and statements from the pilots.

https://youtu.be/auITEKd4sjA

This is a released video from the pentagon and they have commented on them, as well as others who worked there at the time. It's to be spoken about in the senate soon, this is current affairs whether you like it or not.

No problem, here is a good summary.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20018535

The Pentagon has gotten into the habit of declassifying any footage in which pilots could not identify the potential flying objects at the time. It does not mean that such sightings are in any way significant or cannot be explained easily later using common sense.

22-05-2021 8:35am

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Absolutely fascinating. Once you conclude these objects are definitely craft of some sort and not any known or unknown natural phenomenon there are only two possibilities

1. Humanity has developed far more advanced technology than thought which has been kept secret due to a vast conspiracy.

2. We are not alone in the universe and these things come from another planet or parallel dimension or the past or the future.

Either way what we thought was sci fi is real and if this technology is revealed or these visitors reveal themselves it will change the world.

Unfortunately that hasn't happened. When that happens, it will be breaking news across every news channel in the world.

SortingYouOut · 22-05-2021 8:42am

Deleted User wrote: »

No problem, here is a good summary.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20018535

The Pentagon has gotten into the habit of declassifying any footage in which pilots could not identify the potential flying objects at the time. It does not mean that such sightings are in any way significant or cannot be explained easily later using common sense.

You've just linked to a back and forth in another forum, do you have any news sources that explain what these are?

Obama only recently
"What is true, and I'm actually being serious here, is that there are, there's footage and records of objects in the skies, that we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they moved, their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable pattern. And so, you know, I think that people still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is."

Other high ranking officials within the military have also said that they move in a way that is beyond their technology. Nobody has explanations, but you keep mentioning them without actually explaining anything?

22-05-2021 8:44am

SortingYouOut wrote: »

You've just linked to a back and forth in another forum, do you have any news sources that explain what these are

No, news sources want clicks. People on a discussion forum who are capable of critical thinking do not.

You are completely welcome to explain why the common sense explanations made by people in my link cannot be correct.

SortingYouOut wrote: »

Nobody has explanations, but you keep mentioning them without actually explaining anything?

I linked to many explanations.

SortingYouOut · 22-05-2021 8:53am

Deleted User wrote: »

No, news sources want clicks. People on a discussion forum who are capable of critical thinking do not.

You are completely welcome to explain why the common sense explanations made by people in my link cannot be correct.

I linked to many explanations.

So, you're trying to tell me that the US military or experienced pilots onboard those planes wouldn't know a bird when they see one. Or that after flight analysis that would have been carried out by god knows how many specialists wouldn't have concluded that this was the result of another jet's exhaust?

I should take the word of a few people on a 'Hacker News' forum instead of the officials coming out and saying they cannot explain what they are?

You came into this thread to shut it down as conspiracy but I think we can both agree that it is current affairs and that the OP has a right to post it here. Our opinions on the matter itself obviously differ but surely we can agree on that much.

22-05-2021 9:00am

SortingYouOut wrote: »

So, you're trying to tell me that the US military or experienced pilots onboard those planes wouldn't know a bird when they see one. Or that after flight analysis that would have been carried out by god knows how many specialists wouldn't have concluded that this was the result of another jet's exhaust?

Yes, that is what I am saying. And the majority of pilots, military specialists and the world also believes this, which is why it is not breaking news across every news channel.

SortingYouOut wrote: »

I should take the word of a few people on a 'Hacker News' forum instead of the officials coming out and saying they cannot explain what they are?

No, you should not take the word of anyone, but you are. There are links (Parabunk) to explanations by someone who is experienced in the area who uses common sense to explain what the unidentified objects are. Read them and then reply by explaining why his analysis is wrong.

If you do anything other than that in your next reply then you are demonstrating confirmation bias rather than critical thinking and are only interested in believing what you want to believe because it's more interesting rather than more logical.

Samsonsmasher · 22-05-2021 9:01am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Unfortunately that hasn't happened. When that happens, it will be breaking news across every news channel in the world.

What are these things? They are solid they move like no other aircraft they are no birds or balloons or tricks of the light or the mind. They were picked up on radar and video and perplexed high trained military aviators and top military officials.
They are definitely craft of some kind so if they are man made and controlled mankind has made technological leaps that were kept secret.
If they are not of this world then beings from a technologically advanced past or future are travelling through time or from another dimension or from another planet.

22-05-2021 9:04am

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

What are these things?.

I have provided links detailing what they are.

Stihl waters · 22-05-2021 9:13am

Deleted User wrote: »

- suggests they're not a conspiracy
- gives his conspiracy theories

It's just bokeh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r2oaQWmqkk

This isn't a current affair. Conspiracy theories forum is that way.

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, because the video contains flying objects of unknown origin. The video was captured along a regular flight route from Asia/Hawaii to Los Angeles. Because the video was taken with an out of focus triangular iris, the identity of those planes cannot be determined and they are therefore classified as unidentified flying objects.

It is neither fascinating nor interesting.

Deleted User wrote: »

Jumping from blurry triangles to "some new technology coming out of China / Russia" when easier explanations are available is, by definition, a conspiracy.

Not so easily explained, but explanations have been given that don't require conspiracies.

Deleted User wrote: »

What is the "they" he is referring to?

Sure, pick one out and provide a source to the original video rather than the montage so I can see it in full.

Deleted User wrote: »

Which of the clips are you referring to?

Deleted User wrote: »

No problem, here is a good summary.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20018535

The Pentagon has gotten into the habit of declassifying any footage in which pilots could not identify the potential flying objects at the time. It does not mean that such sightings are in any way significant or cannot be explained easily later using common sense.

Deleted User wrote: »

Unfortunately that hasn't happened. When that happens, it will be breaking news across every news channel in the world.

Deleted User wrote: »

No, news sources want clicks. People on a discussion forum who are capable of critical thinking do not.

You are completely welcome to explain why the common sense explanations made by people in my link cannot be correct.

I linked to many explanations.

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, that is what I am saying. And the majority of pilots, military specialists and the world also believes this, which is why it is not breaking news across every news channel.

No, you should not take the word of anyone, but you are. There are links (Parabunk) to explanations by someone who is experienced in the area who uses common sense to explain what the unidentified objects are. Read them and then reply by explaining why his analysis is wrong.

If you do anything other than that in your next reply then you are demonstrating confirmation bias rather than critical thinking and are only interested in believing what you want to believe because it's more interesting rather than more logical.

Must be hard being that fcukin wound up all the time, another potentially good thread ruined by an over zealous gotcha merchant

22-05-2021 9:16am

Stihl waters wrote: »

Must be hard being that fcukin wound up all the time, another potentially good thread ruined by an over zealous gotcha merchant

My apologies for removing you from fantasy land using common sense. You can find plenty of similar threads in the conspiracy theories forum if you like.

Signore Fancy Pants · 22-05-2021 9:18am

The only reasonable explanation, is Artistotle is an alien and wants to cover this whole thing up.

Get 'em boyz!

22-05-2021 9:20am

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

The only reasonable explanation, is Artistotle is an alien and wants to cover this whole thing up.

Get 'em boyz!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5RKJUrtbOM

Stihl waters · 22-05-2021 9:39am

Deleted User wrote: »

My apologies for removing you from fantasy land using common sense. You can find plenty of similar threads in the conspiracy theories forum if you like.

You're just being obtuse for the sake of it

22-05-2021 9:40am

Stihl waters wrote: »

You're just being obtuse for the sake of it

I have provided links to many common sense explanations and no one has tried to debunk said explanations. Who is really being the obtuse one?

22-05-2021 9:41am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpeSpA3e56A

rtron · 22-05-2021 9:42am

In fairness technology is moving very fast, if we can now power helicopters on Mars, it's not far fetched to think craft such as the ones on the video are using advanced techniques to stay airborne.
It will be great to find out, there is supposed to be some report on this in July?

22-05-2021 9:45am

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpeSpA3e56A

I remember watching that video before (Lemmino is a great!).

The pilots in the third video clearly showed that they do not understand even the basics of what parallax is. The pilots are also human - they make mistakes and they were not impartial, sceptical observers. They sought out patterns that might not have been there.

maccored · 22-05-2021 10:01am

i get the feeling aristotle doesnt believe in UFOs - even though s/he admitted the video showed 'flying objects of unknown origin'. the very definition of UFO

22-05-2021 10:05am

maccored wrote: »

i get the feeling aristotle doesnt believe in UFOs - even though s/he admitted the video showed 'flying objects of unknown origin'. the very definition of UFO

UFOs exist. Anytime a plane unintentionally enters the airspace of a country they weren't supposed to, it is a UFO.

I do not believe the a couple of blurry videos that have common sense explanations are anything but the common sense explanations. If they are, aliens seem to have mastered the technique that ghosts use of only appearing in very blurry, subjective conditions, the crafty buggers.

Cheerful S · 22-05-2021 10:11am

Deleted User wrote: »

UFOs exist. Anytime a plane unintentionally enters the airspace of a country they weren't supposed to, it is a UFO.

I do not believe the a couple of blurry videos that have common sense explanations are anything but the common sense explanations. If they are, aliens seem to have mastered the technique that ghosts of only appearing in very blurry, subjective conditions, the crafty buggers.

Forward looking infrared not picking up a heat source when the unknown flying across the sky. The POD would also provide a reasonable outline of the shape in the sky.

The pilot pod locked onto an object that is moving across the sky. Where the heat source here? what powering it?

Here is a fighter jet obviously closer but you see the obvious signs it's a man made jet fighter.

The UFO or UAP is a different shape entirely and was flying very high in the sky and locked into by the POD. Was not stationary or moving up or down. It
object was moving across the screen, heading a direction.

There only two options here based on POD footage, its an unknown advanced capable of flight technology build by someone on earth and there managing to keep it secret or its advanced non human equipment coming from somewhere else.

PokeHerKing · 22-05-2021 10:13am

Much like the crazy far left and crazy far right. Debunkers and conspiracy theorists are opposite sides of the same coin. Absolute zealots using any and every piece of twisted logic to confirm their bias.

22-05-2021 10:15am

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Much like the crazy far left and crazy far right. Debunkers and conspiracy theorists are opposite sides of the same coin. Absolute zealots using any and every piece of twisted logic to confirm their bias.

Rather than bringing politics into it for some reason, you are free to be the first person to explain why the common sense explanations I have provided are twisted.

Wibbs · 22-05-2021 10:19am

rtron wrote: »

In fairness technology is moving very fast, if we can now power helicopters on Mars, it's not far fetched to think craft such as the ones on the video are using advanced techniques to stay airborne.

A helicopter on Mars while impressive is actually not that advanced. The biggest issue is Mars' extremely thin atmosphere which means much higher rotor speeds and making it as light as possible to overcome that. By far the most impressive aspect to the whole venture is getting it and the lander and rover to Mars in the first place and to where you aimed for and in one piece and operational. That's where the hard sums comes into it.

Now impressive as all that most certainly is there are no new principles in basic technology or understanding of physics involved. Even Isaac Newton would understand the nuts and bolts of getting there. Well he did help invent them.

Take stealth tech. Almost since radar came along boffins had been hard at work trying to combat it. The Germans gave it a go with aircraft like the Horten flying wing which had lower radar reflection as part of its remit.

horton229v1prototypek-jpg.386862

Imagine you saw that yoke in 1944. It looks anachronistic, even "alien", especially being towed by a 30's truck in front of 1930's propeller aircraft. If you saw one in the sky you'd be forgiven for thinking the Martians are coming. But they weren't and though incredibly innovative it was based on solid and pretty basic aerodynamic theories and practice. From that to the SR71 Blackbird and F117 they've all got their feet firmly planted in solid theory and tech. No antigravity or any of that required. Even the B2 stealth bomber if jumped by a WW2 German ME262 could be in real danger of being shot down.

Now IF and it's a very bloody big if, any of these reports do demonstrate technology that demonstrates no obvious means of propulsion or control, incredible speeds from rest or low speeds, extreme direction changes and seamless transitions from air to water and back that's a whole new paradigm indeed.

22-05-2021 10:19am

Cheerful S wrote: »

There only two options here based on POD footage, its an unknown advanced capable of flight technology build by someone on earth and there managing to keep it secret or its advanced non human equipment coming from somewhere else.

That is not the only two options, and you have proved that you have read any of my links.

It's a bird.

PokeHerKing · 22-05-2021 10:23am

Deleted User wrote: »

Rather than bringing politics into it for some reason, you are free to be the first person to explain why the common sense explanations I have provided are twisted.

Saying bokeh or parallex is not common sense. Linking to sites with laymen discussing their own opinions is not proof of anything either. Your opinion or common sense is not proof of anything.

You say bokeh I say Aliens. You say parralex I say aliens. Neither of us have proved anything. So stop talking in absolutes or like you've just reinvented the wheel.

22-05-2021 10:25am

Wibbs wrote: »

Now IF and it's a very bloody big if, any of these reports do demonstrate technology that demonstrates no obvious means of propulsion or control, incredible speeds from rest or low speeds, extreme direction changes and seamless transitions from air to water and back that's a whole new paradigm indeed.

Basic logic would tell you that's not the case. It just doesn't make sense that the only scientists that came across such technology happened to also be employed by the military and were told to keep such technology hush hush and that no aeronautic engineers who simply work as professors in universities also came across the same technology and published it on arXiv. Such a coincidence is nothing but a conspiracy.

22-05-2021 10:27am

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Saying bokeh or parallex is not common sense. Linking to sites with laymen discussing their own opinions is not proof of anything either. Your opinion or common sense is not proof of anything.

It is proof. Debunk it, and then it is no longer proof. Off you go.

By your logic, nothing can be proved. Why did that apple fall from the tree? Gravity? Lol no, an invisible alien grabbed it and threw it towards the ground. You can't disprove that's not the case, so let's keep it as a plausible explanation.

Cheerful S · 22-05-2021 10:31am

Deleted User wrote: »

That is not the only two options, and you have proved that you have read any of my links.
It's a bird.

Very few will understand the logic. Navy pilots latched onto a bird in the sky with the POD and tracked it?

Birds are not rare they are here and there and everywhere in the sky, visible a measurable thing. You have to ignore everything about the details to believe this a bird. The report measures the size of the object and there view its the size of a jet.

What bird the scope of a human made jet? Is a long-lost dinosaur bird they found?

PokeHerKing · 22-05-2021 10:34am

Deleted User wrote: »

It is proof. Debunk it, and then it is no longer proof. Off you go.

By you logic, nothing can be proved. Why did that apple fall from the tree? Gravity? Lol no, an alien grabbed it and threw it towards the ground. You can't disprove that's not the case, so let's keep it as a plausible explanation.

No thats really not the same at all. Plenty of things are provable.

Let's take your apple example Me and my friends are in an orchard, we see an apple fall from a tree. We video it with our phones. We post it to the Internet saying eow look at this apple fall from tree that me and my friends witnessed.

Now some forum pops up with a load of amateur photographers claiming refracted light is creating an illusion of a falling apple but in reality the apple never
moved. Thats your argument.

22-05-2021 10:37am

Cheerful S wrote: »

Very few will understand the logic. Navy pilots latched onto a bird in the sky with the POD and tracked it?

Birds are not rare they are here and there and everywhere in the sky, visible a measurable thing. You have to ignore everything about the details to believe this a bird. The report measures the size of the object and there view its the size of a jet.

What bird the scope of a human made jet? Is a long-lost dinosaur bird they found?

You're further demonstrating that you have no read any of my links. The object is not the size of a jet. It is 1-2 metres long.

If you are actually interested in what the object is, have a read of the analysis I linked to.

http://parabunk.blogspot.com/2018/04/analysis-of-ttsa-2015-go-fast-ufo-video.html

22-05-2021 10:38am

PokeHerKing wrote: »

No thats really not the same at all. Plenty of things are provable.

Let's take your apple example Me and my friends are in an orchard, we see an apple fall from a tree. We video it with our phones. We post it to the Internet saying eow look at this apple fall from tree that me and my friends witnessed.

Now some forum pops up with a load of amateur photographers claiming refracted light is creating an illusion of a falling apple but in reality the apple never
moved. Thats your argument.

No, that is not my argument. If you believe the arguments made are amateurish, then it should be quite easy for you to debunk them. So debunk them.

Andrewf20 · 22-05-2021 10:38am

Seems strange that it's usually reported from the USA, but not Denmark, Sudan or Chile for example.

I suspect its the USA creating a fake conspiracy to divert attention from the reality that they are working on developing secretive aircraft.

TheValeyard · 22-05-2021 10:41am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is neither fascinating nor interesting.

Of course its both. There are objects putting the most high tech of US craft to shame. Need to know where they are coming from, either China or elsewhere.

22-05-2021 10:43am

TheValeyard wrote: »

Of course its both. There are objects putting the most high tech of US craft to shame. Need to know where they are coming from, either China or elsewhere.

You made me physically yawn, thank you.

Cheerful S · 22-05-2021 10:45am

Deleted User wrote: »

You're further demonstrating that you have no read any of my links. The object is not the size of a jet. It is 1-2 metres long.

If you are actually interested in what the object is, have a read of the analysis I linked to.

http://parabunk.blogspot.com/2018/04/analysis-of-ttsa-2015-go-fast-ufo-video.html

Thats the "Go Fast"video an entirely unique incident. You mixing up UAP incidents. It was alleged to be bird since it moving over water and the object from the height looks smaller.

PokeHerKing · 22-05-2021 10:46am

Deleted User wrote: »

No, that is not my argument. If you believe the arguments made are amateurish, then it should be quite easy for you to debunk them. So debunk them.

Arguing against something is not debunking it you know that right? I've already givin my argument or by your definition "my debunking".

To the parallex argument put forward by random Internet poster, I say its not parralex, its aliens.

To the bokeh argument put forward by random Internet poster, I say its not bokeh, its aliens.

22-05-2021 10:49am

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Arguing against something is not debunking it you know that right? I've already givin my argument or by your definition "my debunking".

To the parallex argument put forward by random Internet poster, I say its not parralex, its aliens.

To the bokeh argument put forward by random Internet poster, I say its not bokeh, its aliens.

What argument? I have seen no argument from you that explains why it being aliens is more logical than it being it being caused by common sense.

You have said that "saying bokeh or parallex is not common sense." Explain.

22-05-2021 10:50am

Cheerful S wrote: »

Thats the "Go Fast"video an entirely unique incident. You mixing up UAP incidents. It was alleged to be bird since it moving over water and the object from the height looks smaller.

I am not mixing up incidents, you are not mentioning in your posts which incidents you are referring to.

Which incident are you referring to?

PokeHerKing · 22-05-2021 10:50am

Andrewf20 wrote: »

Seems strange that it's usually reported from the USA, but not Denmark, Sudan or Chile for example.

I suspect its the USA creating a fake conspiracy to divert attention from the reality that they are working on developing secretive aircraft.

Plenty of other military have released similar stuff. French, chillean, Mexican etc.

22-05-2021 10:52am

PokeHerKing wrote: »

Plenty of other military have released similar stuff. French, chillean, Mexican etc.

There are also plenty of video of ghosts from around the world. What is your point?

I will gladly debunk every single one of these videos if you link them.

PokeHerKing · 22-05-2021 10:55am

Deleted User wrote: »

What argument? I have seen no argument from you that explains why it being aliens is more logical than it being it being caused by common sense.

You have said that "saying bokeh or parallex is not common sense." Explain.

Because these videos are being recorded and witnessed by high tech instruments and by individuals who at the very least are better placed to know the difference between birds/balloons then some randomers on the Internet.

Claiming the randomer on the Internet shouting parralex is the common sense option is actually the opposite of common sense imo.

But I guess common sense is subjective...

PokeHerKing · 22-05-2021 11:00am

Deleted User wrote: »

There are also plenty of video of ghosts from around the world. What is your point?

I will gladly debunk every single one of these videos if you link them.

So you're basically saying there's noting that can't be "debunked" as you'd put it? Everything is either taped off night vision lenses, bokeh or parallex and all the government officials who've viewd this stuff and the experts they've no doubt consulted are wrong and your merry band of Internet warriors are right?

Thats some god complex you've got there.

Navy pilots describe encounters with UFOs - 60 minutes

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