Judge Nolan strikes again

T-Maxx · 20-05-2021 2:28pm #1

https://www.thejournal.ie/teenage-boy-detention-dangerous-driving-death-thiago-cortes-5442880-May2021/

This will teach him a lesson no doubt.:mad:

Inquitus · 20-05-2021 2:34pm

T-Maxx wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/teenage-boy-detention-dangerous-driving-death-thiago-cortes-5442880-May2021/

This will teach him a lesson no doubt.:mad:

18 months for murder if you knock off the 6 months already served, how can that be called justice?

punisher5112 · 20-05-2021 2:37pm

What a system we have, no previous just means he wasn't caught...

20-05-2021 2:40pm

Lenient sentencing rarely surprises me but in this instance FFS.

Jerry Attrick · 20-05-2021 2:43pm

I am far too appalled by Nolan's utter contempt for the value of a human life to comment on this travesty.

Weepsie · 20-05-2021 3:04pm

He sentenced some man who burned a toddler's face with a blow torch to 2 years in Prison, so this is not a surprise. In learning of the blowtorch story, I said to my wife, was it Martin Nolan and she asked how I knew. Publically being shamed was enough punishment for a paedophile in the past too,

He's not fit to do the job as far as I'm concerned. He's presided over some absolutely astonishing judgements and he is woefully inconsistent.

Recently someone with child abuse images etc was sentenced to 3.5 yrs (2 suspended) another 60,000 given a straight up 2 year suspended sentence and another nothing due to the embarrassment and shame suffered.

Ferris · 20-05-2021 4:20pm

Seems so unfair, all this does is heap more sadness on Thiago Cortes' loved ones and family. Where is the deterrent here? Also can the 'boy' legally drive a car in 18 months?

As for Nolan, heaven help you if you don't pay your VAT but if you're a murderer or like looking at dirty pics of kids you should be alright.

Ferris · 20-05-2021 4:32pm

Here's a long running petition to get rid of the man

https://www.change.org/p/minister-for-justice-judge-martin-nolan-resignation#:~:text=Martin%20Guerin%20was%20found%20with,job%20with%20sentences%20like%20this.

ted1 · 20-05-2021 4:59pm

FFS, that’s not justice.

K.Flyer · 20-05-2021 5:07pm

Good old Irish judicial system sending out another clear message that we are a soft touch for criminal behaviour.

Serious top to bottom review of sentencing needed, otherwise these little b'stards keep getting away with little to no consequences.

Jerry Attrick · 20-05-2021 5:09pm

K.Flyer wrote: »

Good old Irish judicial system sending out another clear message that we are a soft touch for criminal behaviour.

Serious top to bottom review of sentencing needed, otherwise these little b'stards keep getting away with little to no consequences.

Hopefully the DPP will appeal this nonsensical sentence.

20-05-2021 5:47pm

I've always wondered with his sentencing if his peers wouldn't pull him up on it behind the scenes???

maxamillius · 20-05-2021 6:37pm

This has absolutely boiled my piss, something must be up with this judge. How can anyone think he is of sound mind passing a ridiculous sentence like that?!

Sleeper12 · 20-05-2021 6:45pm

Inquitus wrote:

18 months for murder if you knock off the 6 months already served, how can that be called justice?

Murder?
Didn't know he was charged with murder

Sleeper12 · 20-05-2021 6:48pm

Jerry Attrick wrote:

Hopefully the DPP will appeal this nonsensical sentence.

At 16 I assume that it was a stolen car. No mention of this or driving without licence and insurance. Looks like the DPP didn't want to throw the book at him either

20-05-2021 6:56pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

At 16 I assume that it was a stolen car. No mention of this or driving without licence and insurance. Looks like the DPP didn't want to throw the book at him either

The article States it was purchased. The rest is probable true.

He wasn't charged with, nor would it reach the threshold of murder.

Don't see why a charge of manslaughter wasn't brought but the max sentence he could get for this charge is 5 years. Add in the age, the no previous and the 2 years is about right (in regards the averages. NOT my personal opinion)

This is the system we asked for or at the very least, silently accepted. We allowed under 18s to be almost untouchable. We allowed adults to consistently get away with crime.

Next time your local TD knocks, make it an election issue. More prisons, more Gardai and tougher sentences.

Sleeper12 · 20-05-2021 7:04pm

Niner leprauchan wrote:

Don't see why a charge of manslaughter wasn't brought but the max sentence he could get for this charge is 5 years. Add in the age, the no previous and the 2 years is about right (in regards the averages. NOT my personal opinion)

It's usually causing death by dangerous driving. The average sentence for this for an adult is 3.5 years.

I was shocked when this happened last year. I am impressed that they got the court case and conviction in such a short time period.

20-05-2021 7:05pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's usually causing death by dangerous driving. The average sentence for this for an adult is 3.5 years.

I was shocked when this happened last year. I am impressed that they got the court case and conviction in such a short time period.

There you go. So 2 years for a minor isn't unduly lenient by our standards

Sleeper12 · 20-05-2021 7:25pm

Niner leprauchan wrote:

There you go. So 2 years for a minor isn't unduly lenient by our standards

It's not. It's a difficult one though. Obviously seems very low for the death of a man out minding his own business earning a living.

A tragedy if ever there was one.

jimmycrackcorm · 20-05-2021 7:29pm

The media needs to do an investigation into Nolans sentencing record compared to others.
I'd suggest people email their concerns to Prime Time investigates as I have done, to see if they will do anything.

LollipopJimmy · 20-05-2021 7:33pm

Martin Nolan is a disgrace, an old sports coach of mine who it turned out had been raping a young boy (not me) week in week out got a sentence measured in months from him also. It is soul destroying

Weepsie · 20-05-2021 7:47pm

mod note - criticize away, but anything that is that blatantly defamatory as the last (now deleted post) can take a holiday.

Large bottle small glass · 20-05-2021 8:03pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've always wondered with his sentencing if his peers wouldn't pull him up on it behind the scenes???

A judge with an independent streak isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Rather than focusing on a single judge an overhaul on a hugely political appointment system along with training in their area of appointment might be in order. Appointment on ability not political leaning would be a good place to get improvement to.

Judges often serve in areas they have very little or zero experience in which is mental.

The problem here isn't Nolan, but the generally short sentence people get when they kill with a car

Peintre Celebre · 20-05-2021 8:16pm

Must be like getting your numbers to spin the wheel for a scumbag when they land in to Court and its this judge sentencing.

Its amazing that a circuit court judge is so widely known in the country. The ordinary citizen would struggle to name a circuit court judge bar him. Not for a good reason

Fred Cryton · 20-05-2021 8:56pm

Just as the book of Quantum was changed for insurance payouts, we need an equivalent process for serious crimes. Set up new mandatory sentences that judges have to follow. Perhaps put together by a citizens assembly. Relying on precedent is not going to cut it anymore.

Something like this should carry 10 years minimum. Thats assuming he didn't deliberately try to hit him, which i think is a big assumption for these sorts of characters in that area.

on_the_nickel · 20-05-2021 9:44pm

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Thats assuming he didn't deliberately try to hit him, which i think is a big assumption for these sorts of characters in that area.

Whoa, wtf? Disparaging a whole area is a pretty f*cking big leap here, no?

blackvalley · 20-05-2021 10:04pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Cryton View Post
Thats assuming he didn't deliberately try to hit him, which i think is a big assumption for these sorts of characters in that area.

on_the_nickel wrote: »

Whoa, wtf? Disparaging a whole area is a pretty f*cking big leap here, no?

Dont think as you suggest he " disparaged the whole area " but referred to " those sorts of characters " in that area .

However dont let that minor issue get in the way of your outrage. :rolleyes:

20-05-2021 10:17pm

Large bottle small glass wrote: »

A judge with an independent streak isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Rather than focusing on a single judge an overhaul on a hugely political appointment system along with training in their area of appointment might be in order. Appointment on ability not political leaning would be a good place to get improvement to.

Judges often serve in areas they have very little or zero experience in which is mental.

The problem here isn't Nolan, but the generally short sentence people get when they kill with a car

Yeah it's been said here before that if you want to kill someone in this country do it with a car.

LollipopJimmy · 20-05-2021 10:34pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah it's been said here before that if you want to kill someone in this country do it with a car.

An ex a car and Judge Nolan, the ultimate fantasy

fiachraX · 20-05-2021 11:44pm

Seems you get more time in jail from Martin Nolan if you threaten you'll kill someone than if you actuallly do.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/brothers-jailed-for-harassment-of-rathfarnham-family-over-sons-debt-1130110.html

vicwatson · 21-05-2021 12:23am

Wasn’t Nolan a Garda before moving to kings inn

Effects · 21-05-2021 12:39am

Sleeper12 wrote: »

At 16 I assume that it was a stolen car.

Young people often chip in and buy bangers, then drive them with no insurance or tax.

begbysback · 21-05-2021 12:46am

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Just as the book of Quantum was changed for insurance payouts, we need an equivalent process for serious crimes. Set up new mandatory sentences that judges have to follow. Perhaps put together by a citizens assembly. Relying on precedent is not going to cut it anymore.

Something like this should carry 10 years minimum. Thats assuming he didn't deliberately try to hit him, which i think is a big assumption for these sorts of characters in that area.

10 years for a road accident?

21-05-2021 12:51am

begbysback wrote: »

10 years for a road accident?

10 years for killing a man and fleeing the scene. What’s accidental about driving through a red light anyway?

begbysback · 21-05-2021 12:56am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

10 years for killing a man and fleeing the scene. What’s accidental about driving through a red light anyway?

Fleeing the scene of what, an accident maybe?

CalamariFritti · 21-05-2021 1:04am

To drive with 80 through the city through red lights is now an accident? It may not be premeditated murder but its definitely closer to murder than it is to an accident.

21-05-2021 1:12am

begbysback wrote: »

Fleeing the scene of what, an accident maybe?

Of a crime, not an accident. A hit and run. What kind of dumb argument are you making here?

Effects · 21-05-2021 1:27am

begbysback wrote: »

Fleeing the scene of what, an accident maybe?

Yeah, poor young lad was accidentally speeding, accidentally breaking red lights, accidentally driving without insurance. Not his fault really.

Cookie_Monster · 21-05-2021 5:18am

par for the course. if you want to kill someone in Ireland, do it with a vehicle.

Himnydownunder · 21-05-2021 5:40am

T-Maxx wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/teenage-boy-detention-dangerous-driving-death-thiago-cortes-5442880-May2021/

This will teach him a lesson no doubt.:mad:

His real learning will take place in crime college. He may well end up with a PhD in crime.

Sleeper12 · 21-05-2021 7:42am

Effects wrote: »

Young people often chip in and buy bangers, then drive them with no insurance or tax.

I've since been told that this is the case

breezy1985 · 21-05-2021 8:43am

Effects wrote: »

Yeah, poor young lad was accidentally speeding, accidentally breaking red lights, accidentally driving without insurance. Not his fault really.

Well this is what happens when people decide someone who is not mature enough to drink a beer, smoke a fag or choose his local representative is allowed control a giant fast moving metal box.

I know #notallkids but when you think about it it's odd

Doctors room ghost · 21-05-2021 9:00am

It would be great if all the pond rats could be chained together and put out working every day.
Clearing rubbish out of ditches etc instead of housing them within in prisons all day where they act the mikeen Tyson.
Bunch of useless entitled wasters.
If they were out working all day there wouldn’t be half as much guff out of them.

Fred Cryton · 21-05-2021 9:55am

on_the_nickel wrote: »

Whoa, wtf? Disparaging a whole area is a pretty f*cking big leap here, no?

What's the problem with disparaging a whole area when the whole area absolutely deserves it? Do you get off on pious virtue signalling or what?

21-05-2021 11:01am

vicwatson wrote: »

Wasn’t Nolan a Garda before moving to kings inn

For ten years. Then a barrister.

No idea what service as a garda though. Could have been a desk jockey with little real policing experience.

Hard to understand his sentences if he actually walked the beat and dealt with crimes

Tombo2001 · 21-05-2021 11:07am

Lads

What do you do about it....

This has come up before.

Same **** keeps happening.

tomasrojo · 21-05-2021 11:43am

Fred Cryton wrote: »

What's the problem with disparaging a whole area when the whole area absolutely deserves it? Do you get off on pious virtue signalling or what?

It's text book prejudice really. Leads to things like people asking my wife in a job interview whether she was embarrassed to be from where she was from. And far worse, obviously.

Reality_Check1 · 21-05-2021 11:54am

To put this judgement into context. My brother in law (37) was killed by a speeding drunk driver who fled the scene. He had previous convictions for drunk driving and should have been off the road anyway. Left a grieving wife and 3 young kids (1 unborn ah the time).

When it went to court he got 4 and a half years with the last 12 months suspended.

Although it’s easy and probably somewhat justified to call out Nolan maybe we need to look at the legal system he operates in and direct our anger towards that instead.

tomasrojo · 21-05-2021 12:05pm

blackvalley wrote: »

Quote:

Dont think as you suggest he " disparaged the whole area " but referred to " those sorts of characters " in that area .

However dont let that minor issue get in the way of your outrage. :rolleyes:

He helpfully went on to disparage the area as well though.

Thelonious Monk · 21-05-2021 12:07pm

In fairness I've spent enough time around there to know it's full of little c*nts with attitude problems, gangs of teens with no fear in them all over the place

tomasrojo · 21-05-2021 12:14pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

In fairness I've spent enough time around there to know it's full of little c*nts with attitude problems, gangs of teens with no fear in them all over the place

Yeah, it was the explicit disparagement of the area that seemed depressingly familiar to me. Anyway, I guess this is derailing.

Judge Nolan strikes again

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