Update on my CZ 457 LRP

clivej · 15-05-2021 5:33pm #1

Hi lads, I got to Harbour House today for more ammo testing. Fecking costing me a small fortune in ammo so far. All the 'Target' ammo didn't shoot at all great IMO grouping 25mm/35mm with flyers. I've still to try Eley ammo, when I can find some.

But a better day shooting my CZ 457 LRP today. Just a little wind this morning and shot the best groups so far at 50m. Using SK Standard Plus, in the yellow box. I'll say the groups are a tad smaller than I've writen down, small red circle is 1/2". First group, top right, is with a cold clean barrel. Then shot right to left , then down.

A beauty or what. Elements Helix 6-24x50mm SFP, with the MRad reticle

Best group with Lapua Center X, 12mm. 10 shot group @50m.

Todays groups using SK Standard Plus at 50m, all under MOA. I measured the 13mm again at 12mm so bang on MOA.

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alanmc · 15-05-2021 6:32pm

clivej wrote: »

A beauty or what.

I love the bottle opener style butt stock. Great for hooking your offhand into.

Feisar · 15-05-2021 6:50pm

How many shots in that Center X group?

clivej · 15-05-2021 7:06pm

Feisar wrote: »

How many shots in that Center X group?

10 shot group @50m

Rows Grower · 15-05-2021 7:41pm

That's awesome shooting Clive, congratulations.

Feisar · 15-05-2021 8:50pm

clivej wrote: »

10 shot group @50m

As above, that's fine shooting and a testament to your concentration!

clivej · 15-05-2021 9:20pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

That's awesome shooting Clive, congratulations.

Feisar wrote: »

As above, that's fine shooting and a testament to your concentration!

But lads if you'd seen the groups from the 'Target' ammo it's the river the rifle would have been thrown in. I've spent about 150 to 200 euro on target ammo and it's all shot such disappointing groups. I still have a lot in my ammo box. And again today still not getting good enough groups from the target ammo.

3 shots touching then they move over a bit for another 3 shot touching group. I can't put an answer to it, but I'm thinking it's my bad shooting, not getting a consistence rifle hold. Still it's early days yet and I'm still learning.

Cerveza · 15-05-2021 10:03pm

I’m sure it’s not your inability to shoot. You have impressive shots by any means. You going to the range tomorrow?

Richard308 · 15-05-2021 10:10pm

I’ve always owned a cz/Brno of some form. I absolutely love them. The build quality and precision is not appreciated enough. That rifle in the battleship grey stock is class. And the shooting matches it.
Rifles can be fussy with ammo. That looks like it works fine on the cheaper stuff. Don’t complain, can get more bang for your buck. Excuse the pun lads. Well wear, I’m sure tons of fun and bulls to come.

BattleCorp · 16-05-2021 3:53pm

clivej wrote: »

But lads if you'd seen the groups from the 'Target' ammo it's the river the rifle would have been thrown in. I've spent about 150 to 200 euro on target ammo and it's all shot such disappointing groups. I still have a lot in my ammo box. And again today still not getting good enough groups from the target ammo.

3 shots touching then they move over a bit for another 3 shot touching group. I can't put an answer to it, but I'm thinking it's my bad shooting, not getting a consistence rifle hold. Still it's early days yet and I'm still learning.

You'll be unbeatable with that rifle Clive, that is unless Mary borrows it off you.

:D:D

no_4 · 17-05-2021 9:11pm

nice shootuing , i often find std or subsonics for ~6e a box,m shoot as well as a lapua center x or midas at 15e a box (ps im not a prs shooter)

Excavo · 18-05-2021 4:07pm

clivej wrote: »

But lads if you'd seen the groups from the 'Target' ammo it's the river the rifle would have been thrown in. I've spent about 150 to 200 euro on target ammo and it's all shot such disappointing groups. I still have a lot in my ammo box. And again today still not getting good enough groups from the target ammo.

3 shots touching then they move over a bit for another 3 shot touching group. I can't put an answer to it, but I'm thinking it's my bad shooting, not getting a consistence rifle hold. Still it's early days yet and I'm still learning.

The LRP is a very nice rifle indeed. Gonna get me one soon.
My pal and I have tested a lot of different brands - he the 457 and me the 452 Classic.
I am assuming you have already done SK match which I find shoots great V value. Eley club was the best of Eley that I tested and the cheapest.

Fiocchi std velocity if you haven't already shoots very well for even less money. RWS special match also but more expensive.
You can see some 10 shot groups @50yds below - the results you might find useful.

badaj0z · 18-05-2021 7:05pm

If you are really interested in what kind of groups can be obtained by all kinds of .22 rifle, then this thread is a mine of information.

https://ukvarminting.com/topic/51133-22-lr-average-group-from-your-gun/#comments

Feisar · 18-05-2021 9:38pm

badaj0z wrote: »

If you are really interested in what kind of groups can be obtained by all kinds of .22 rifle, then this thread is a mine of information.

https://ukvarminting.com/topic/51133-22-lr-average-group-from-your-gun/#comments

Similar but probably not as useful:

https://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/22lr-rimfire-ammo-comparison-test/

Rows Grower · 18-05-2021 9:48pm

It's all about hitting the target really.

Cerveza · 18-05-2021 10:06pm

It’s the marriage of a quality scope that can be the winner in achieving accuracy.

Rows Grower · 18-05-2021 10:17pm

Cerveza wrote: »

It’s the marriage of a quality scope that can be the winner in achieving accuracy.

No doubt.

badaj0z · 18-05-2021 10:18pm

It is all about which variable has the biggest effect on accuracy. In descending order of importance.

The Shooter
The Gun
The ammo
The conditions

We all tend to look at the middle two as an excuse to spend money and enjoy ourselves. The first one takes time and effort. The last one needs experience.

Rows Grower · 18-05-2021 10:29pm

badaj0z wrote: »

It is all about which variable has the biggest effect on accuracy. In descending order of importance.

The Shooter
The Gun
The ammo
The conditions

We all tend to look at the middle two as an excuse to spend money and enjoy ourselves. The first one takes time and effort. The last one needs experience.

I've been told about lads that use 3 grand scopes and update their .22's by as much money, but as long as it's open to everyone to have a go I don't see the advantage the rich lads have over everyone else.

Cerveza · 18-05-2021 10:35pm

You can’t compare a three hundred euro scope to a three thousand euro one.

Rows Grower · 18-05-2021 11:11pm

Cerveza wrote: »

You can’t compare a three hundred euro scope to a three thousand euro one.

Would the scope make that much of a difference over 25 metres?

JP22 · 19-05-2021 12:12am

Everything matters and then again sometimes nothing matters. :eek:

Consistent accurate rimfire (.22LR) shooting is an arcane science, few master it and most of us (me) struggle. It’s fun, challenging, frustrating, a pain in you know what :mad: and even addictive.

What we did last week and what ammo we shot last week shoots crap this week, sometimes I think we try too hard and put more pressure on ourselves. Some of my best groups were when just shooting for fun and not giving a damn.

As previous members have stated, it’s all about the package (Rifle, Scope, Ammo, User), add to this Rest, Setup, Conditions, Distance, Mind-Set, is it Fun or Comps, Stress, etc……….

Normally you get what you pay for as they say, the best equipment should equal the best results but we all know this is a bucket load. Some folk like the best, newest money can buy, dosen't mean you'll shoot accurately though.

This is a group from a 63 year old Brno M5 with a cheap 1980's Tasco scope, the problem is doing it consistantly. Can I do it again, roll on next weekend.....madness.... but we'll still try.....

Wadi14 · 19-05-2021 12:14am

Rows Grower wrote: »

Would the scope make that much of a difference over 25 metres?

Something like a bushnell banner is fine at 25, it does what it says on the tin.

If your talking of something for Gallery shooting, if it has clear glass, a simple reticle and parallaxes down to 10m it will be fine

clivej · 19-05-2021 8:18am

Got a new SEB rear shooting bag all filled up and ready. I'll see if this will now help me shoot a little better.

It has a 20mm flat bottom that will match the CZ457 LRP lower picatinny attachment rail on the stock.

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Cerveza · 19-05-2021 8:50am

Rows Grower wrote: »

Would the scope make that much of a difference over 25 metres?

It certainly does if you want to produce consistent results. If you decide to run a cheap set up and have a day out in the range shoot a few bullets, have a coffee and share a few butts with others that’s fine too.

Richard308 · 19-05-2021 10:11am

Well logic would dictate, if you’ve a better trigger, barrel, ammunition and glass you will do better.

Rows Grower · 19-05-2021 10:43am

Cerveza wrote: »

It certainly does if you want to produce consistent results. If you decide to run a cheap set up and have a day out in the range shoot a few bullets, have a coffee and share a few butts with others that’s fine too.

I wouldn't be a butt sharer myself, I'm a happily married man.

badaj0z · 19-05-2021 11:57am

Richard308 wrote: »

Well logic would dictate, if you’ve a better trigger, barrel, ammunition and glass you will do better.

This is true if your skills are better than your equipment. If your skills are what limit your results then changing your kit will have little effect. The single largest variable in the equation is the shooter.

no_4 · 19-05-2021 12:38pm

i agree with all.; there are a huge number of variables that can affect your shooting ,
shooter (age, eyesight, concentration ability, sleep, stimulants)
gun (barrel, chamber, scope, scope rings, scope base and fixings, torque settings on action screws and scope mounts; care of rifle and cleaning, age, etc
ammo (price vs quality and consistency
weather, wind atmospheric pressure

ive shot 15-20mm groups from a ruger takedown 10/22 @ 50yards with cheaper cci std, aguila and eley subsonic 40gr one week, and next week , same gun, same batch of ammo and same scope settings , and shoot pure dogsh!t groups!

but hey thats what makes it interesting and yes very addictive!

for sure , all 22lr shooters would shoot a whole lot less if the ammo was on par price wise with 223/243 quality for example!

Richard308 · 19-05-2021 12:48pm

badaj0z wrote: »

This is true if your skills are better than your equipment. If your skills are what limit your results then changing your kit will have little effect. The single largest variable in the equation is the shooter.

If a rifle shoots 1 inch groups and another 1/2 inch groups it has to affect performance. In the same shooters hands

badaj0z · 19-05-2021 1:25pm

Richard308 wrote: »

If a rifle shoots 1 inch groups and another 1/2 inch groups it has to affect performance. In the same shooters hands

Only if the shooter is good enough to perform at the limit of the rifles ability. A poor shooter may only be able to get 2 inch groups out of either rifle. My argument is that a shooter using a specific gun, ammo, rests etc., is a system which acts together to produce a result. In this case accuracy. The accuracy which results is limited to the worst performing component, which is usually the person.

JP22 · 19-05-2021 4:16pm

clivej wrote: »

Got a new SEB rear shooting bag all filled up and ready. I'll see if this will now help me shoot a little better.
It has a 20mm flat bottom that will match the CZ457 LRP lower picatinny attachment rail on the stock.

Nice one Clive, Seb makes great quality bags.

May it wear well.:D

Cerveza · 19-05-2021 8:26pm

badaj0z wrote: »

Only if the shooter is good enough to perform at the limit of the rifles ability. A poor shooter may only be able to get 2 inch groups out of either rifle. My argument is that a shooter using a specific gun, ammo, rests etc., is a system which acts together to produce a result. In this case accuracy. The accuracy which results is limited to the worst performing component, which is usually the person.

I tried playing golf years ago, was hopeless at it. I gave it every chance to learn it and had a few Nick Faldo’s that tried to teach me but the talent just wasn’t there. I would imagine any shooter who hasn’t the talent should call it a day also.

Wadi14 · 19-05-2021 9:44pm

Cerveza wrote: »

I tried playing golf years ago, was hopeless at it. I gave it every chance to learn it and had a few Nick Faldo’s that tried to teach me but the talent just wasn’t there. I would imagine any shooter who hasn’t the talent should call it a day also.

Golf is a very hard game to master I gave it up too when I couldn't get lower than 10 lol.

but on a serious note, it doesn't matter if you have talent for anything if you enjoy what your doing, then why stop. Its meant to be fun.

Cerveza · 19-05-2021 10:15pm

Wadi14 wrote: »

Golf is a very hard game to master I gave it up too when I couldn't get lower than 10 lol.

but on a serious note, it doesn't matter if you have talent for anything if you enjoy what your doing, then why stop. Its meant to be fun.

It will be difficult to enjoy shooting if you are no good at it. I certainly wouldn’t enjoy playing golf if I was horsing sods of grass at the tee off instead of the ball and the times I would hit the ball and they landing into the water or rough.
I believe the same analogy for shooting would have been the same for me.

solarwinds · 19-05-2021 11:02pm

Cerveza wrote: »

It will be difficult to enjoy shooting if you are no good at it. I certainly wouldn’t enjoy playing golf if I was horsing sods of grass at the tee off instead of the ball and the times I would hit the ball and they landing into the water or rough.
I believe the same analogy for shooting would have been the same for me.

I would not be the best shot in the world but it gives me great pleasure and I love it so who cares I enjoy what I do.
So what you are saying is regardless of whether you enjoy something or not is irrelevant, unless you are good at it you should not be allowed to participate.
Right I will post all my rifles, shotgun and pistol in the for sale section, bulk buy discount (only current Olympians need apply).

solarwinds · 19-05-2021 11:04pm

Nice looking set up Clive, can I ask did you buy the bag direct and if so did you buy it filled, how was shipping ?.

clivej · 20-05-2021 8:10am

solarwinds wrote: »

Nice looking set up Clive, can I ask did you buy the bag direct and if so did you buy it filled, how was shipping ?.

Yes bought unfilled from Italy, 10 Euro DHL postage.
Filled it with the white fine Play sand, put it in the oven to dry it off.

https://armeriaregina.it/gb/cuscini-posteriori/5338-seb-rest-regular-rear-bag.html

JP22 · 20-05-2021 8:54pm

Clive.

Forgot to ask (before I book-mark the site - https://armeriaregina.it/gb/cuscini-...-rear-bag.html).

Any issues buying from them, any issues with delivery/customs, etc?

Keep safe.

JP

clivej · 20-05-2021 9:20pm

JP22 wrote: »

Clive.

Forgot to ask (before I book-mark the site - https://armeriaregina.it/gb/cuscini-...-rear-bag.html).

Any issues buying from them, any issues with delivery/customs, etc?

Keep safe.

JP

No problem at all, and only 10 Euro 3 day delivery with DHL, that took 10 days to arrive. :mad:

12-06-2021 1:14pm

I collected my CZ 457 LRP last night. The trigger was on the heaviest setting so I sorted that first with some help from YouTube. Next I added the scope and a spacer in the stock followed by a few other tweaks.

Up early to the range this am, at 50 m it’s a tack driver. I finished up with 10 shots all touching. At 100 m things opened up a bit as expected. However considering there was a little wind, my scope is only 20 power and the bipod and rear bag were not exceptional I am very happy for day one. I was using SK match (red). Photos to follow.

Point of impact climbed by 5” with a mod rather than the muzzle brake at 100 m. Slightly tighter group with the mod but maybe this was because the wind dropped.

12-06-2021 8:21pm

On the range this am.

What I thought was my best 10 round group at 50m. Although I'm looking at this now and wondering if it was less than 10 rounds, perhaps it was one magazine i.e. 5 rounds. Either way I'm happy. I had no coins on me so I used a bullet for scale.

My best 10 round group at 100 m. A pity I had one flyer!

GooseB · 12-06-2021 8:26pm

Nice shooting and the best of luck with the new rifle:D

That 100m group is nice, particularly the 7 shot cluster that make the one big hole.

clivej · 13-06-2021 7:10pm

A nice morning getting some competition pistol practice in. Then a good couple of benchrest targets shot in the afternoon. I was getting tired with the last 10 round group, bottom right.

clivej · 19-07-2021 9:10am

Update....... after soooooooooooooo much ammo testing and getting great groups and then not such great groups (with the same ammo) I have traded in the CZ 457 LRP. It just wasn't holding consistent small groups good enough for the Benchrest competitions. ☹️

I would get great touching shots that would then open up to unacceptable groups for Benchrest competition shooting. 🙄

I traded the CZ 457 LRP back into the dealer I bought it from. I now have an Anschutz 1710, bought second hand that is said to be at least 20 years old. Got the rifle on a Monday and came first in Benchrest Light Varmint and third in Heavy Varmint on the Saturday in a well supported club comp. 😁

I have to say, the Anschutz 1710 does shoot well. 3 x 5 shot groups at 100m, using RWS R50 ammo. 2 sub MOA groups in there. 😃

Feisar · 20-07-2021 1:17pm

Beautiful looking rifle, pity it wasn't delivering the goods consistently enough. Fair play for pulling the pin, sometimes it can be hard to admit.

JP22 · 21-07-2021 12:41am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117630848#Comment_117630848

Howdy Clive.

Once you go Anschutz, you'll never go back.

Anschutz date codes are either XX numbers = date or

letters (A=0, B=1, C=2, D=3, E=4, F=5, G=6, H=7, I=8, K=9. J is not used)

Enjoy.

JP

Cass · 21-07-2021 6:52pm

CZs are somewhat notorious for taking some "bedding in time" as you well know so do you think, @clivej the rifle might have settled down or was this the best it was ever going to produce?

Also ammo. I've had a sneaking suspicion that ammo quality the last few years, due to demand and rapid production, has gone down somewhat. I'd say a chrono would give someinteresting readings and might explain some groupings.

Now no doubt the improvement in the Anschutz is evident, and as a fan of both rifles I'd never criticize the CZ, but at the end of the day the 1710 is a hard bet rifle even above newer Anschutzs.

clivej · 21-07-2021 8:16pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117643331#Comment_117643331

Oh I did most everything I know to get the CZ 457 LRP to shoot right. 😥

I must have put over 1k of ammo thru it, and not the just the cheap stuff. My so to ammo has always been SK Standard Plus in the yellow box. That shot well above OK.

I cleaned between each change of ammo, just a couple of wet patches, followed by clean patches until dry. And then put at least 3 or more boxes of each ammo down the tube. I spent hundreds of Euro on ammo.

So I tried ......

Eley.. Match, contact, force, action, team.

RWS... Rifle match, R50, this shot very well.

SK.. Rifle match, Long range, standard plus,

Lapua... Center X, this shot very well.

BUT I never got consistency. Always a good group of 3 or 4 rounds then open up about 10mm away with another 3/4 shot group. I just said it was time to go and took it back and put another few Euro along with it and got the Anschutz 1710. I've owned about 10 CZ 22lr rifles over the years, but I'd never owned an Anschutz in all the years I've been shooting. This rifle is over 20 years old and after a quick zero it shot touching 5 shot groups at 50m and since then sub MOA groups at 100m. Using RWS R50 ammo.

I'm down to shoot my first prone competition this weekend at 50m and 100m. 😉

Cass · 21-07-2021 9:20pm

I had two Anschutzs and the Father one. We both had the 1710 and they were unbeliebable and one fo the few rifles I truly regret selling. The cost of them has actually gone up in the last few years as lads have realsied they're better than the new models.

Well ware with it and how about a few pictures.

JP22 · 21-07-2021 11:09pm

As Clive says, CZ make some fine rifles, basically the LRP and MTR are the same rifle albit dressed up differently.

Both can be super accurate out of the box however, a quick google reveals lots of folk unhappy in US with their accuracy. Some either never shoot great or over a short period of time they lost their accuracy.

Nice shooting at last weeks comps Clive, 😁😁, did you get sorted with mags?

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