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Dublin - BusConnects

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,917 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Doesn't that just mean that your journey time will always be the maximum possible? The downside to not doing that is potentially arriving early, which most people probably wouldn't see as a negative.

    Yes it does - but will that entice people out of their cars and onto buses, especially for orbital journeys?

    Leave the car behind for a bus that’ll trundle along and possibly wait at certain locations to catch up on the schedule.

    It’s a very fine balancing act getting the running times right.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


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    Looking well this morning, they have most of them done from the bottom of the Howth Road to Killester. Don't know if they've gone any further.

    Don't approve of the way that they did the upgrade though.
    Day one, they take down the existing pole, leaving a hole surrounded by barriers
    Day two, the hole is filled in with concrete with the connecter in place for the new pole, surrounded by barriers
    Day three, they take away the barriers, leaving no sign that they were there
    Day four, the new pole goes up.

    At no point did they have a "Temporary Bus Stop" sign, or any BusConnects branded sign or anything, and this was a load of bus stops. In some locations there's literally no evidence that there's a bus stop there at all. Yes, it was only for a day, but even so, they should really have thought of this before starting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭yascaoimhin


    CatInABox wrote: »
    YGjSwutl.jpg


    Looking well this morning, they have most of them done from the bottom of the Howth Road to Killester. Don't know if they've gone any further.

    Don't approve of the way that they did the upgrade though.
    Day one, they take down the existing pole, leaving a hole surrounded by barriers
    Day two, the hole is filled in with concrete with the connecter in place for the new pole, surrounded by barriers
    Day three, they take away the barriers, leaving no sign that they were there
    Day four, the new pole goes up.

    At no point did they have a "Temporary Bus Stop" sign, or any BusConnects branded sign or anything, and this was a load of bus stops. In some locations there's literally no evidence that there's a bus stop there at all. Yes, it was only for a day, but even so, they should really have thought of this before starting.


    Why is it so far into the footpath?!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,395 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Why is it so far into the footpath?!

    It's where the original was. :rolleyes: Frustrating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Less risk of it been hit, the services wooden pole is in a very bad spot, or you could say the bus stop itself.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    Less risk of it been hit, the services wooden pole is in a very bad spot, or you could say the bus stop itself.....
    ...some things never change


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I jsut posted this over on C&T too, but I was out for a stroll myself today and got some pictures of both the new and old poles on the same street. I have to say the new ones look very nice. Much sturdier looking then the old ones and easier to read:

    552890.jpeg

    And old poles:

    552891.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭tobsey


    LXFlyer wrote: »
    That’s common across GAI routes especially at weekends (before Covid too).

    We had to wait 4 minutes at one stop while it barely got out of second gear all the way.

    The fear that I have is that given that the revenue risk is with the NTA, that the companies will schedule generously to avoid being penalised for arriving late.

    Why aren't NTA setting the route times also? (a general question not aimed at you). If the NTA are the ones managing the routes and selecting the operator, why aren't they also specifying the frequency and route times. It's bizarre. The NTA should be defining the full timetable and then putting it out to tender for operators to bid on. The operators shouldn't be winning the bidding and then saying it'll take 90 minutes for a 60 minute route.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,753 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    bk wrote: »

    552890.jpeg

    And old poles:

    552891.jpeg

    Your first pic is very frustrating, someone thought putting a pole there just for a sign that says the bus lane ends here (something abundantly and painfully obvious to all road users) was a valid use of our money.

    Someone very powerful in this country has a cousin in a sign making, or poll making business. The place is destroyed with polls and offical signage. Ironically you go to poorer places like Northern Ireland and see how little of this official clutter there is, signs that are required are mounted onto existing lamp posts or service poles.


  • Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭yascaoimhin


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Your first pic is very frustrating, someone thought putting a pole there just for a sign that says the bus lane ends here (something abundantly and painfully obvious to all road users) was a valid use of our money.

    You think that's bad?

    Look at this pic of the new cycle lane on Constitution Hill.
    https://twitter.com/dublincycling/status/1330831477886636033/photo/2

    You can see the first sign, it is to say the bus lane is starting and the hours it operates.

    Immediately after it is another pole to say that the bus lane is in effect and the hours it operates.

    Then there's a bus stop.

    Then there's another pole with another sign telling you the bus lane continues after the bus stop and the hours it operates.

    Three signs all saying the same thing one after another in the space of 20 meters


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,917 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    tobsey wrote: »
    Why aren't NTA setting the route times also? (a general question not aimed at you). If the NTA are the ones managing the routes and selecting the operator, why aren't they also specifying the frequency and route times. It's bizarre. The NTA should be defining the full timetable and then putting it out to tender for operators to bid on. The operators shouldn't be winning the bidding and then saying it'll take 90 minutes for a 60 minute route.

    The NTA are setting the service levels on each route once BusConnects starts.

    But the detailed work in developing the full schedules is a very specialised skill which the NTA as a regulator have limited access to. The job of building up the bus and driver rosters behind the timetable is down to the operating companies which is really where it needs to be done.

    But the NTA do review the schedules before they are implemented and can ask for changes. But unfortunately how good/bad a schedule actually is really can't be judged until it actually starts operating - then you need the processes to monitor the performance of that schedule. But let's be honest if buses are crawling along, no data reports are going to show that. It'll be down to passengers complaining.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Your first pic is very frustrating, someone thought putting a pole there just for a sign that says the bus lane ends here (something abundantly and painfully obvious to all road users) was a valid use of our money.

    Someone very powerful in this country has a cousin in a sign making, or poll making business. The place is destroyed with polls and offical signage. Ironically you go to poorer places like Northern Ireland and see how little of this official clutter there is, signs that are required are mounted onto existing lamp posts or service poles.

    Ah Rennicks


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I actually happened to pass them replacing poles today. Looks like a major operation, much more then just a pole replacement.

    Looks like:
    - Remove old pole
    - Kango hammer out the old concrete and dig decently deep foundations
    - Put in deep looking base
    - Pour concrete into hole around base with a big cement mixer truck!

    Hopefully this will lead to very secure poles that won't fall over as easily as the old ones.

    BTW Some of these poles in this street were only repainted if not replaced by DB just a month ago!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    bk wrote: »
    I actually happened to pass them replacing poles today. Looks like a major operation, much more then just a pole replacement.

    Looks like:
    - Remove old pole
    - Kango hammer out the old concrete and dig decently deep foundations
    - Put in deep looking base
    - Pour concrete into hole around base with a big cement mixer truck!

    Hopefully this will lead to very secure poles that won't fall over as easily as the old ones.

    BTW Some of these poles in this street were only repainted if not replaced by DB just a month ago!!!

    If you look,most pole holders have been replaced for exactly what they are now digging and putting in more new ones. These have a cap cover you remove to tightens bolts into the bottom of the pole to stop it been pulled out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    RE the Howth Road pictures above, that bus lane is a car park for what seems like most of the day. Is it going to remain like that? I can't imagine they'd have the balls to get rid of parking altogether. It also means you've to cycle in the middle of the road to avoid getting car doored, much to the ire of motorists behind you.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Less risk of it been hit, the services wooden pole is in a very bad spot, or you could say the bus stop itself.....

    Yes very bad planning alright not sure why the kassel kerbing was put in front of that lamp post


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Was out in Howth today for a walk to the summit and took the 31 back into town - seems all of the bus shelters along the route had the new TFI branding. The poles however, are still the normal Dublin Bus ones up until the junction of All Saints Road and Howth Road - presumably these stops will be done over the coming week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Re: Buses being launched for the H Spine.

    It appears that the EV's are getting repainted in the new TFI green livery. EV78, which was registered in 2008, is the first bus in that type to be painted in the new livery from a few days ago. It is currently parked up in Freeneys Graphics in Tallaght. I'm guessing that EV78 is based at Clontarf which is the main garage for the H Spine routes to be launched this summer. This could also mean that the buses that won't get painted in this green livery at all will be the AX's & VT's.

    I already knew that some of the AX's from Dublin Bus have been painted in the TFI Blue livery for Go Ahead to provide extra school services on some of the Northside Dublin routes. But this is probably as far as they could go in terms of their repaints as a lot of them have placed or going into storage at Ardee to be sold as 2nd hand buses to other operators. Some of the AX's have appeared in Dublin City Centre although they have no ad's on the side of them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Re: Buses being launched for the H Spine.

    It appears that the EV's are getting repainted in the new TFI green livery. EV78, which was registered in 2008, is the first bus in that type to be painted in the new livery from a few days ago. It is currently parked up in Freeneys Graphics in Tallaght. I'm guessing that EV78 is based at Clontarf which is the main garage for the H Spine routes to be launched this summer. This could also mean that the buses that won't get painted in this green livery at all will be the AX's & VT's.

    I already knew that some of the AX's from Dublin Bus have been painted in the TFI Blue livery for Go Ahead to provide extra school services on some of the Northside Dublin routes. But this is probably as far as they could go in terms of their repaints as a lot of them have placed or going into storage at Ardee to be sold as 2nd hand buses to other operators. Some of the AX's have appeared in Dublin City Centre although they have no ad's on the side of them.

    I'm surprised they're doing the EVs which will all be withdrawn in the next few years under DBs fleet replacement scheme. AXs should be all gone by the end of the year if everything goes to plan with PA deliveries. None of the AXs even have the new TFI logos so I'd be very surprised if the repainted them.

    I would have thought the NTA would want the H Spine routes operated exclusively by dual door buses. If they're trying to promote the service on the new H Spine I wouldn't think operating ancient buses is a good idea.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Wouldn't surprise me that they are painted and then sent off packing with the new colours.....
    After a year or so, this then leaves the new owner with the colour they would need for services.

    Now that's speculation of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I think I have made a mistake here. EV78 has been repainted but it is still in the yellow Dublin Bus livery.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Wouldn't surprise me that they are painted and then sent off packing with the new colours.....
    After a year or so, this then leaves the new owner with the colour they would need for services.

    Now that's speculation of course.

    Yeah but most of the buses that are sold off are used for private hire and schools work plus plenty are sold off to the UK. So an NTA livery would be useless for these.

    I wouldn't think the NTA would want operators using 14+ year old buses on PSO services.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    GT89 wrote: »
    Yeah but most of the buses that are sold off are used for private hire and schools work plus plenty are sold off to the UK. So an NTA livery would be useless for these.

    I wouldn't think the NTA would want operators using 14+ year old buses on PSO services.

    London Transport still runs the Routemaster buses that are over 60 years old. As long as they are fully maintained, and upgraded as necessary, there is no real problem with old vehicles. The body is not going to deteriorate as it is mostly aluminium, the seats can be redone, the engines can be reworked or replaced as can all the mechanical parts of the chassis.

    When LT ran the whole system, they used to rebuild the buses every number of years, and that age of the bus was irrelevant. That is all now privatised and so it is replace with new rather than rebuild.

    The biggest problem with school transport is the use of part time vehicles with part time drivers.

    From a users point of view, the quality of DB vehicles is excellent, so maybe their approach is correct. However, they have expanded the fleet so they would have a very young fleet because of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,917 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    London Transport still runs the Routemaster buses that are over 60 years old. As long as they are fully maintained, and upgraded as necessary, there is no real problem with old vehicles. The body is not going to deteriorate as it is mostly aluminium, the seats can be redone, the engines can be reworked or replaced as can all the mechanical parts of the chassis.

    When LT ran the whole system, they used to rebuild the buses every number of years, and that age of the bus was irrelevant. That is all now privatised and so it is replace with new rather than rebuild.

    The biggest problem with school transport is the use of part time vehicles with part time drivers.

    From a users point of view, the quality of DB vehicles is excellent, so maybe their approach is correct. However, they have expanded the fleet so they would have a very young fleet because of that.

    Just to correct you. There are no routemasters in service anymore on TfL routes.

    The routemasters were removed from everyday service in 2005, but were retained on two "heritage" routes through central London.

    One was route 9 between Strand and the Royal Albert Hall, and the other was route 15 between Trafalgar Square and Tower Hill. Fully accessible normal buses continued to operate alongside, maintaining full step-free access, so these were very much tourist-facing extras.

    The service on route 9H was subsequently withdrawn in 2014, and on route 15H in 2019, and TfL have confirmed that they will not be returning.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    LXFlyer wrote: »
    Just to correct you. There are no routemasters in service anymore on TfL routes.

    The routemasters were removed from everyday service in 2005, but were retained on two "heritage" routes through central London.

    One was route 9 between Strand and the Royal Albert Hall, and the other was route 15 between Trafalgar Square and Tower Hill. Fully accessible normal buses continued to operate alongside, maintaining full step-free access, so these were very much tourist-facing extras.

    The service on route 9H was subsequently withdrawn in 2014, and on route 15H in 2019, and TfL have confirmed that they will not be returning.

    I stand corrected, but even so - at 2004, those buses were over 40 years old, and still in service.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,917 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I stand corrected, but even so - at 2004, those buses were over 40 years old, and still in service.

    That was more out of the novelty of having something unique to London though to be fair.

    I think 14 years is definitely long enough for buses to be in service on front line service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    They do have the new fancy routemasters though


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    LXFlyer wrote: »
    That was more out of the novelty of having something unique to London though to be fair.

    I think 14 years is definitely long enough for buses to be in service on front line service.

    And don't forget the routemasters also operated alongside regular buses which were replaced at normal fleet replacement intervals. Yes definitely they were kept more for the novelty factor than as part of a strategic move to keep buses going for as long as possible.

    A historic bus like a routemaster is obviously going to be an attractive vehicle for passengers in the same manner a steam train is also attractive. A newer bus like an an ALX400 or Enviro 400 kept on the road past it's sell by date is not an attractive vehicle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,917 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    They do have the new fancy routemasters though

    They do, but an extravagant cost, and have had various mechanical and operational issues issues, including:

    • Batteries have required modification or replacement on over 25% of the fleet;
    • Opening windows had to be retro-fitted on the buses due to sauna-like conditions on board in summer (the air-cooling system was eventually accepted as a complete failure),
    • The second on-board staff member role (monitoring the rear platform, but not selling/checking tickets) has been abolished, due to cost-cutting.

    The buses are now operating in the exact same manner as every other London bus (entry only at front and exit at centre/rear doors), despite the open rear platform being one of the main reasons put forward for their purchase.

    A vanity project, pushed by Boris Johnson, if ever there was one.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    LXFlyer wrote: »
    They do, but an extravagant cost, and have had various mechanical and operational issues issues, including:

    • Batteries have required modification or replacement on over 25% of the fleet;
    • Opening windows had to be retro-fitted on the buses due to sauna-like conditions on board in summer (the air-cooling system was eventually accepted as a complete failure),
    • The second on-board staff member role (monitoring the rear platform, but not selling/checking tickets) has been abolished, due to cost-cutting.

    The buses are now operating in the exact same manner as every other London bus (entry only at front and exit at centre/rear doors), despite the open rear platform being one of the main reasons put forward for their purchase.

    A vanity project, pushed by Boris Johnson, if ever there was one.

    The bendybuses seemed to work quite well in London and we're much better than the NBFL. Was disappointed to see these done away with. The only buses in the UK and Ireland that operated to the continental approach to ticketing and boarding.


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Generally speaking, as vehicles become older, the cost of maintenance goes up substantially, until it can end up costing more then just buying a new bus/train/car/airplane.

    It is the same reason why on average cars only last 12 years, beyond that, the cost of lets say replacing or overhauling the engine can be as much as buying a newer car.

    Sure, it can be worth the big maintenance cost for something like an expensive, unique classic car or steam engine, interesting bus for tourist reasons. But it doesn't make sense for most services, specially not heavily used services.

    Also add to this, newer vehicles being more fuel efficient and thus saving on the fuel bill can be a very big deal for operating costs. Newer, more fuel efficient vehicles can often pay for themselves with fuel savings.

    Add to that issues and policies around less polluting vehicles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,917 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    GT89 wrote: »
    The bendybuses seemed to work quite well in London and we're much better than the NBFL. Was disappointed to see these done away with. The only buses in the UK and Ireland that operated to the continental approach to ticketing and boarding.

    Similar issues though with the New Bus for London in one respect - they suffered from massive amounts of fare evasion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,917 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    bk wrote: »
    Generally speaking, as vehicles become older, the cost of maintenance goes up substantially, until it can end up costing more then just buying a new bus/train/car/airplane.

    It is the same reason why on average cars only last 12 years, beyond that, the cost of lets say replacing or overhauling the engine can be as much as buying a newer car.

    Sure, it can be worth the big maintenance cost for something like an expensive, unique classic car or steam engine, interesting bus for tourist reasons. But it doesn't make sense for most services, specially not heavily used services.

    Also add to this, newer vehicles being more fuel efficient and thus saving on the fuel bill can be a very big deal for operating costs. Newer, more fuel efficient vehicles can often pay for themselves with fuel savings.

    Add to that issues and policies around less polluting vehicles.

    One lesson from experience both in Dublin and elsewhere is that it is better not to be the guinea pig for brand new models.

    Best to select a model that has proven its worth elsewhere and that has a full after-sales support network available.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    LXFlyer wrote: »
    Similar issues though with the New Bus for London in one respect - they suffered from massive amounts of fare evasion.

    Fare evasion is more a funding issue. It wouldn't be an issue if an adequate number of revenue protection officers were employed to make it worthwhile. Open systems work fine if you provide an adequate number of revenue officers works on the Luas and works in many EU cities.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    LXFlyer wrote: »
    that has a full after-sales support network available.

    This model is increasingly becoming the norm, not just for buses, but across many industries, trains, aircraft, even military vehicles.

    Companies aren't just buying the vehicle, but also an ongoing, long term, maintenance and support contract.

    While not cheap, it tends to motivate manufacturers to build more reliable and easy to maintain vehicles as they know they will be maintaining them long term.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    BTW on the new bus stops, out walking today, the new stops are in place and they look very well.

    What is really nice is that the old poles they replaced on my street, just had a DB sign up top, no other info/route number/stop name/info panel. The new signs have all that, and as such are much more informative then the old ones.

    I'm not sure if they plan on doing that for every pole in Dublin, but even if they increase the number of "full" poles like this, it will be a nice step up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    when are they going to start rolling out the proper bus lanes for this that require CPOing etc or is that still not a definite?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,917 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    when are they going to start rolling out the proper bus lanes for this that require CPOing etc or is that still not a definite?

    The Core Bus Corridors project (which is the infrastructure) goes to An Bórd Pleanála this summer.

    Physical rollout will depend on how long that process then takes.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    bk wrote: »
    BTW on the new bus stops, out walking today, the new stops are in place and they look very well.

    What is really nice is that the old poles they replaced on my street, just had a DB sign up top, no other info/route number/stop name/info panel. The new signs have all that, and as such are much more informative then the old ones.

    I'm not sure if they plan on doing that for every pole in Dublin, but even if they increase the number of "full" poles like this, it will be a nice step up.

    I don't how they're going to manage when the routes change over. The trueform DB stops in the city centre are quite easy to update as the route number is on a tile that can be removed easily. But when the H Spine commences they'll have to either remove the head of the bus stop and replace it which will be very wasteful or put a sticker showing the new routes which will look tacky imo because with this design the route numbers are printed onto the bus stop head.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    GT89 wrote: »
    I don't how they're going to manage when the routes change over. The trueform DB stops in the city centre are quite easy to update as the route number is on a tile that can be removed easily. But when the H Spine commences they'll have to either remove the head of the bus stop and replace it which will be very wasteful or put a sticker showing the new routes which will look tacky imo because with this design the route numbers are printed onto the bus stop head.

    I don't think it would be too much waste to just replace the sign up top.

    Certainly much quicker and easier then the major job of replacing the entire pole that they are currently doing.

    It is also possible that the sign up top is just a sticker on a metal back, so the whole sticker could be replaced, I'll take a closer look at them the next time I'm out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    GT89 wrote: »
    I don't how they're going to manage when the routes change over. The trueform DB stops in the city centre are quite easy to update as the route number is on a tile that can be removed easily. But when the H Spine commences they'll have to either remove the head of the bus stop and replace it which will be very wasteful or put a sticker showing the new routes which will look tacky imo because with this design the route numbers are printed onto the bus stop head.

    They're removing these poles, they cost a fortune.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,753 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    when are they going to start rolling out the proper bus lanes for this that require CPOing etc or is that still not a definite?

    2023 to 2024 but could still be cancelled by then. There'll be nothing like that on the h spine anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,917 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    GT89 wrote: »
    I don't how they're going to manage when the routes change over. The trueform DB stops in the city centre are quite easy to update as the route number is on a tile that can be removed easily. But when the H Spine commences they'll have to either remove the head of the bus stop and replace it which will be very wasteful or put a sticker showing the new routes which will look tacky imo because with this design the route numbers are printed onto the bus stop head.

    They will put new stickers on them I would imagine, as they did on the stops in the city centre when the second tranche of BE Commuter routes switched to GAI. You wouldn't notice the change to be honest.

    I am pretty sure that they are stickers in the first place.

    Putting brand new heads on them would be a waste.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,917 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    They're removing these poles, they cost a fortune.

    Again, it's a relaunch of the bus service.

    Marketing and branding are important elements of any relaunch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭yascaoimhin


    bk wrote: »
    I don't think it would be too much waste to just replace the sign up top.

    Certainly much quicker and easier then the major job of replacing the entire pole that they are currently doing.

    A lot of the bus stop poles in the city are decades old at this stage, a lot of them are also Iron so they rust and require constant repainting. The new poles are stainless steel and will require less maintenance to keep looking well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭yascaoimhin


    I do think the National Transport Authority are wasting this opportunity to develop, not just a consistent design language for the transport network, but one that is distinctly theirs. The new bus stops look stale and clinical. Compared to the likes of TFL's roundel I feel like they throwing away a massive concept.

    This is what I've proposed that keeps the original colour scheme and layout but makes the stops distinctive and uniquely TFI.

    https://twitter.com/yascaoimhin/status/1394328970137686019?s=20


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    They could use a single decker bus icon to represent a coach/long distance bus and a double decker to represent a city bus and if a stop if served by both BE and DB/GAI services have icons of the two. I would prefer they used an icon of the bus sideways not just the front.

    Using the front only doesn't clearly distinguish it as a bus. For example the current icon they use could also be a train.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    GT89 wrote: »
    They could use a single decker bus icon to represent a coach/long distance bus and a double decker to represent a city bus and if a stop if served by both BE and DB/GAI services have icons of the two. I would prefer they used an icon of the bus sideways not just the front.

    Using the front only doesn't clearly distinguish it as a bus. For example the current icon they use could also be a train.

    It says 'BUS' on the front of the icon. It also will be a bus stop on a roadway. It's unlikely to be serviced by any trains.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    GT89 wrote: »
    True but a native Chinese or Arabic speaker might not realise that

    Right so.

    I don't think there's much hope for anyone if they're waiting for a train at a bus stop.


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    It says 'BUS' on the front of the icon. It also will be a bus stop on a roadway. It's unlikely to be serviced by any trains.
    Then why even bother with an icon? :rolleyes:
    Bad design is bad design.


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