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Russman · 17-05-2021 10:39AM

josip wrote: »

Are thee sufficient supplies of J&J for this plan?
I thought there was only 200,000 expected during May and not until the end of June do we get a further 225,000.

Most 40-49 would have gotten an MRNA by the time the end of June J&J is available.
So at the end of June we'll be doing this silly charade all over again for J&J the 30-39 cohort.

I've no idea tbh. I thought we were expecting either 550k or 600k in total by the end of June ? It could end up not being practical I guess, who knows.

Pandiculation · 17-05-2021 10:39AM

As much as I’m keen to get this done ASAP, I’d rather see NIAC taken seriously. They’re trying to get this as smooth and safe as they can.

We’ve got the most vulnerable vaccinated, so the reopening should, hopefully, be safe enough, albeit still hugely desirable to get this rolled out fully ASAP.

I genuinely feel more confident in the fact that the medics and technical advise on this here isn’t being mired or clouded in the politics of wanting them in arms at any cost though. As good as the UK speed has been, I’ve a certain lack of trust in Johnson’s spin and the nationalism that blinded them from being too analytical about risks.

Get it done but get it done safely.

I’m much happier with pure technocracy on this topic.

km79 · 17-05-2021 10:42AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It bears repeating, per health authorities, you are considered fully vaccinated 4 weeks after first dose of AZ, provided you get the second dose when invited to do so. This is earlier than with either of the mRNA vaccines

Ah right !
No issue for me so . Hopefully get to register soon

ddarcy · 17-05-2021 10:43AM

revelman wrote: »

Michael Lehane on Twitter saying that the NIAC conditions are “not straightforward operationally” and this means a government decision is “some days off”

Shane Beatty of Newstalk is reporting that one of the conditions is that the vaccines be given “in a quicker timeframe”. Really not sure what sort of “condition” this is. Perhaps reducing the interval between AZ doses?

I’d say they are holding back vaccines and NIAC is telling them to not do this. Another poster was complaining on Moderna sitting in the fridge, etc. Basically the current plan is to give AZ and hold off vaccinating instead of giving an available vaccine sooner. NIAC I think is saying don’t do that and get jabs in arms. Might explain some of the slow rollout so far.

Lumen · 17-05-2021 10:43AM

Pandiculation wrote: »

As much as I’m keen to get this done ASAP, I’d rather see NIAC taken seriously. They’re trying to get this as smooth and safe as they can.

We’ve got the most vulnerable vaccinated, so the reopening should, hopefully, be safe enough, albeit still hugely desirable to get this rolled out fully ASAP.

I genuinely feel more confident in the fact that the medics and technical advise on this here isn’t being mired or clouded in the politics of wanting them in arms at any cost though. As good as the UK speed has been, I’ve a certain lack of trust in Johnson’s spin and the nationalism that blinded them from being too analytical about risks.

Get it done but get it done safely.

IMO this would be better done by forming an exective council of NIAC and HSE bods, and iron out disagreements at the table and communicate a single message, rather than playing chess by post and having every move leaked.

scarepanda · 17-05-2021 10:43AM

Russman wrote: »

If someone isn't planning on going abroad, the 16 week gap with AZ is effectively a non issue.

But it certainly is an issue for those people who are planning on having a child but are waiting until they are vaccinated to get pregnant so that their risks during pregnancy are reduced. It may not be as big of an issue for a lot of people 45+ , but it will be an issue for people in the 35-45 category who don't have time on their side. And while pregnant ladies are encouraged to get vaccinated while pregnant I know of quite a few people who don't want to take that risk.

SJFly · 17-05-2021 10:44AM

Lumen wrote: »

The A in NIAC stands for Advisory, right? Not Authority.

I think going against NIAC advice would be a great way to increase the number of people refusing the vaccine

Pandiculation · 17-05-2021 10:46AM

Given Ireland’s legal system, they’ll be going with NIAC on this. There’s no way you could really setup a scientific advisory committee and then disregard its advice and expect to have a leg to stand on if anything subsequently went wrong.

The topic is just too technical to go on the basis of anything other than the best technical advice available.

We all have opinions on this based on logistical needs and our thin understanding of the detail of the science. We’re mostly fairly knowledgeable at this stage but only fairly.

That’s why I would be somewhat loathed to just override any kind of detailed analysis by a group of people who know this topic inside out.

OwenM · 17-05-2021 10:51AM

SJFly wrote: »

I think going against NIAC advice would be a great way to increase the number of people refusing the vaccine

What if NIAC simply didn't exist? EMA has last word, all this chatter and debate wouldn't happen.

Polar101 · 17-05-2021 10:54AM

I'm happy to take any of the "big four" vaccines, and I don't even have a preference. But the "set of conditions" and "consent" mentioned in the newspapers raises some eyebrows - I'll take a vaccine that medical professionals have determined is safe for my age group, but hopefully it doesn't come with a list of terms and conditions attached.

Pandiculation · 17-05-2021 10:54AM

OwenM wrote: »

What if NIAC simply didn't exist? EMA has last word, all this chatter and debate wouldn't happen.

The EMA’s role is different to the FDA. That’s why you still have national bodies making decisions on the finer details. Some of this is still devolved.

IRISHSPORTSGUY · 17-05-2021 10:58AM

revelman wrote: »

I don’t think the J&J deliveries for May are looking that promising. The Germans are expecting only 30,000 next week.

Source?

Van.Bosch · 17-05-2021 10:59AM

ddarcy wrote: »

I’d say they are holding back vaccines and NIAC is telling them to not do this. Another poster was complaining on Moderna sitting in the fridge, etc. Basically the current plan is to give AZ and hold off vaccinating instead of giving an available vaccine sooner. NIAC I think is saying don’t do that and get jabs in arms. Might explain some of the slow rollout so far.

Real pity we can’t get the daily stats anymore and see progress.

Pandiculation · 17-05-2021 11:01AM

Did Germany order that many J&J doses though? I’m getting the impression that Germany is rather more keen to focus on the BioNTech supply chain, as that’s where Germany has awareness of what’s going on.

revelman · 17-05-2021 11:05AM

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Source?

Sorry, I meant to say we should be expecting only 30,000. The Germans are expecting 540,000

The German figures are divided into those going to MVCs and those going to GPs.

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/fileadmin/Dateien/3_Downloads/C/Coronavirus/Impfstoff/Lieferprognose_Praxen-Betriebsaerzte_2._Quartal.pdf

Here is GP delivery schedule. No J&J earmarked for MVCs since start of month.

muddypuppy · 17-05-2021 11:15AM

Pandiculation wrote: »

Did Germany order that many J&J doses though? I’m getting the impression that Germany is rather more keen to focus on the BioNTech supply chain, as that’s where Germany has awareness of what’s going on.

We have a single european order and everyone is getting their share according to their population.

Hurrache · 17-05-2021 11:37AM

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

This is why I think there is a deliberate delay now for the 40 somethings. HSE don't want all of us vaccinated by the time the big J&J consignment arrives at the end of June....

Doesn't seem to be the case
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1394240124020535298

Godot. · 17-05-2021 11:38AM

revelman wrote: »

Sorry, I meant to say we should be expecting only 30,000. The Germans are expecting 540,000

The German figures are divided into those going to MVCs and those going to GPs.

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/fileadmin/Dateien/3_Downloads/C/Coronavirus/Impfstoff/Lieferprognose_Praxen-Betriebsaerzte_2._Quartal.pdf

Here is GP delivery schedule. No J&J earmarked for MVCs since start of month.

So J&J by the end of May will have only given us approx 50,000 since April and we're expecting them to give us 550k over the course of June?

Expect to be disappointed.

Pandiculation · 17-05-2021 11:41AM

muddypuppy wrote: »

We have a single european order and everyone is getting their share according to their population.

Countries didn’t draw down their whole orders for AZ previously and the Pfizer order was dramatically expanded

Call me Al · 17-05-2021 11:41AM

Fergal Bowers reporting this morning that next cohorts will be given choice to choose AZ/J&J or wait for an MRNA vaccine.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0516/1221987-vaccine-rollout-advice/

BigMo1 · 17-05-2021 11:41AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Doesn't seem to be the case
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1394240124020535298

I don't know how to feel about this. It doesn't seem helpful to pitch the vaccines this way and will only hurt the already damaged reputation of AZ and J&J.

17-05-2021 11:43AM

Call me Al wrote: »

Fergal Bowers reporting this morning that next cohorts will be given choice to choose AZ/J&J or wait for an MRNA vaccine.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0516/1221987-vaccine-rollout-advice/

That is good news if true.

Chuzzle7 · 17-05-2021 11:44AM

I fall into group 7 on the vaccination list.

My GP is still vaccinating the over 70s. They still don't have vaccines for the very high risk, which I think is group 4.

HSE website says GPs are vaccinating group 7 from early May. The GP get deliveries every two weeks but are still on group 4.

Where do I stand on all this? While HSE are moving down in ages, I'm still waiting in group 7.

gmisk · 17-05-2021 11:44AM

I suppose it isn't bad to give people an option on vaccines....but...it seems a bit mad that other places like the UK are flying ahead with AZ for example for the same ages?

I got my first AZ in NI about 5 weeks ago I am 39.

If given option down here I would thought most people would go for the one shot J and J?

Hurrache · 17-05-2021 11:46AM

BigMo1 wrote: »

I don't know how to feel about this. It doesn't seem helpful to pitch the vaccines this way and will only hurt the already damaged reputation of AZ and J&J.

Can't see how it can hurt AZ any further. I don't think the J&J one has reputational damage though, and the big attraction for that one is it's one shot.

There's already whinging by people on Twitter about it, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

pc7 · 17-05-2021 11:46AM

Chuzzle7 wrote: »

I fall into group 7 on the vaccination list.

My GP is still vaccinating the over 70s. They still don't have vaccines for the very high risk, which I think is group 4.

HSE website says GPs are vaccinating group 7 from early May. The GP get deliveries every two weeks but are still on group 4.

Where do I stand on all this? While HSE are moving down in ages, I'm still waiting in group 7.

If your age group opens just register then and see who gets to you first, it’s all you can do.

Pandiculation · 17-05-2021 11:48AM

You’ll get offered an mRNA vaccine if it’s available as default.

If, and only if, it’s not available, you’ll get the option of a viral vector vaccine - J&J or AstraZeneca, which you can turn down and wait for an mRNA option to come into stock.

So you won’t be able to just go … I’d like a J&J please.

Russman · 17-05-2021 11:49AM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Deemed by whom? I want go back us this year yet AZ is not approved there, I suspect they won’t “deem” it as suitable vaccine for purpose of travel in

Deemed by the HSE/Irish Govt.
I said excluding for international travel purposes. Its part of the "vaccine bonus" they've been talking about re the benefits of getting vaccinated, they listed the timelines for each of the jabs as to when you were considered vaccinated.

17-05-2021 11:49AM

gmisk wrote: »

I suppose it isn't bad to give people an option on vaccines....but...it seems a bit mad that other places like the UK are flying ahead with AZ for example for the same ages?

I got my first AZ in NI about 5 weeks ago I am 39.

If given option down here I would thought most people would go for the one shot J and J?

A lot of people in their 40s are trying to avoid AZ in the UK. There are ways to do it with a bit of research. Certain centres are more likely to offer the mRNAs, there are clues on the booking system (i.e. if there's a small list of venues for the second dose it's likely not AZ).

Also bear in mind that the UK is far more reliant on AZ than we are.

seamus · 17-05-2021 11:50AM

Pandiculation wrote: »

Any hint of what day 40-49 will open on the portal? It’s still only open for 50-59.

They're saying that the registration dates will be "announced" later this week, with the first jabs taking place by the end of the month.

Working it back, that means it'll probably open for 49's next Monday, though there might be a surprise and they'll pull it forward to Thursday or Friday.

This means that a small number of 49s will get jabbed on the 30th or 31st May, but the reality is that the bulk of the 40-49 group will get their first jabs in mid-late June.

That's my reading of it. The latest stuff on being able to choose your jab might throw a spanner in the works though,.

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