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stephenjmcd · 14-05-2021 04:16PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

What kinda **** do cyber attacks on a country's medical online infrastructure during a pandemic?

Excuse the Journal link https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-cyber-attack-5436981-May2021/

The lowest of the low

Cyber attacks are a daily thing, there'll have been a vulnerability somewhere, be it on a piece of software, someone's PC or wherever it might have been.

Most get blocled but this one managed to get through. Could have been as simple as someone clicking on a link

Luckily the HSE have backups

snotboogie · 14-05-2021 04:27PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

That doesn't make sense at all. Germany devolves responsibility regionally, and each region then works out what it needs to do.

No it doesn't. Germany worked out their vaccine plan centrally.

Deeper Blue · 14-05-2021 04:39PM

I assume this Indian variant will be like all the other big bad super scary killer mutant variants i.e. nobody will be talking about it in a months time.

amdaley28 · 14-05-2021 04:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The lowest of the low

Cyber attacks are a daily thing, there'll have been a vulnerability somewhere, be it on a piece of software, someone's PC or wherever it might have been.

Most get blocled but this one managed to get through. Could have been as simple as someone clicking on a link

Luckily the HSE have backups

Hopefully ?

ACitizenErased · 14-05-2021 04:43PM

WHO advising to not vaccinate children and instead donate doses
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1393205449051287555?s=20

funnydoggy · 14-05-2021 04:44PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The lowest of the low

Cyber attacks are a daily thing, there'll have been a vulnerability somewhere, be it on a piece of software, someone's PC or wherever it might have been.

Most get blocled but this one managed to get through. Could have been as simple as someone clicking on a link

Luckily the HSE have backups

A zero day attack too, jesus

Spiderman0081 · 14-05-2021 04:47PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Ya, which further highlights the ineptitude of the HSE, as people are clamouring for the vaccine here yet we still have one of the slowest rollots per capita.

True

solerina · 14-05-2021 04:47PM

Can anyone explain how some doctors are vaccinating people that don’t belong to any high risk groups? One local practice is currently vaccinating those born in 1978 and I know quite a few that have been given the Pfizer vaccine none of whom have any risk factors ??

Van.Bosch · 14-05-2021 04:50PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The lowest of the low

Cyber attacks are a daily thing, there'll have been a vulnerability somewhere, be it on a piece of software, someone's PC or wherever it might have been.

Most get blocled but this one managed to get through. Could have been as simple as someone clicking on a link

Luckily the HSE have backups

Do the backups mean it can fully restore bit by bit after making sure the vulnerability is addressed? Or is it a risk that this could be worse?

Scuid Mhór · 14-05-2021 04:52PM

I just want to get my vaccine so I can unsubscribe from this thread and the main covid thread for a while.

degsie · 14-05-2021 04:52PM

solerina wrote: »

Can anyone explain how some doctors are vaccinating people that don’t belong to any high risk groups? One local practice is currently vaccinating those born in 1978 and I know quite a few that have been given the Pfizer vaccine none of whom have any risk factors ??

Yes it's bizarre, know a couple who are nowhere near the current cohort and perfectly healthy but got a wink wink from their GP to get a vaccine. Seems like there is a bit of brown enveloping going on :rolleyes:

stephenjmcd · 14-05-2021 04:55PM

amdaley28 wrote: »

Hopefully ?

They have backups of all the major systems

Van.Bosch · 14-05-2021 04:55PM

degsie wrote: »

Yes it's bizarre, know a couple who are nowhere near the current cohort and perfectly healthy but got a wink wink from their GP to get a vaccine. Seems like there is a bit of brown enveloping going on :rolleyes:

Was always going to happen, not defending it but a 43 year old getting it now ahead of someone in their 50’s ain’t as bad as the Coombe/Beacon teachers getting it ahead of people in their 80s.

iamwhoiam · 14-05-2021 04:59PM

My daughter just got a date for vaccine !! Cohort 7 via her consultant ! I am so thrilled .

SusanC10 · 14-05-2021 05:00PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

My daughter just got a date for vaccine !! Cohort 7 via her consultant ! I am so thrilled .

Very glad for your daughter (and you). Great news !

stephenjmcd · 14-05-2021 05:01PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Do the backups mean it can fully restore bit by bit after making sure the vulnerability is addressed? Or is it a risk that this could be worse?

If they need to restore they can go to backups. I'd assume they've everything on a daily backup, which essentially a snapshot of systems at a certain time with the backup copy ideally being held on prem, in the cloud and on physical backup tape.

So they can bring all systems back to a certain point in time. Now where the issue can be is depending how long the exploitation was on the system, the backups could also be impacted. Its a case of how far back to go to get a clean recovery, you essentially could bring the systems back to how they were 48hrs ago for example.

Ideally you would bring everything back up piece by piece on a segregated network, check the systems, clear them for use and bring them back into the production environment, might not need to go to backup in that case.

It's just going to take time.

First port of call is to always power down everything to stop the attack and gauge how far it's gone

Turtwig · 14-05-2021 05:03PM

There might be an element of brown nosing but how many people will openly let their neighbours know if they have an underlying health condition. I'd say they be more inclined to lie and say they've nothing or had mild asthma than release very sensitive info.

Much easier to pretend you've a special relation with the GP than let everyone know you've heart failure.

Van.Bosch · 14-05-2021 05:08PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

If they need to restore they can go to backups. I'd assume they've everything on a daily backup, which essentially a snapshot of systems at a certain time with the backup copy ideally being held on prem, in the cloud and on physical backup tape.

So they can bring all systems back to a certain point in time. Now where the issue can be is depending how long the exploitation was on the system, the backups could also be impacted. Its a case of how far back to go to get a clean recovery, you essentially could bring the systems back to how they were 48hrs ago for example.

Ideally you would bring everything back up piece by piece on a segregated network, check the systems, clear them for use and bring them back into the production environment, might not need to go to backup in that case.

It's just going to take time.

First port of call is to always power down everything to stop the attack and gauge how far it's gone

Cheers - but the risk of attacker having got the data is separate right ? And that’s still a real threat?

ACitizenErased · 14-05-2021 05:09PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

My daughter just got a date for vaccine !! Cohort 7 via her consultant ! I am so thrilled .

Fantastic. Seems like a good chunk of cohort 7 is being dealt with now considering I got my date too today and my cousin also got hers.

eoinbn · 14-05-2021 05:10PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Ya, which further highlights the ineptitude of the HSE, as people are clamouring for the vaccine here yet we still have one of the slowest rollots per capita.

Either we don't have the vaccines(or the syringes to use them, which many US states are also facing) or we are working towards a slightly different plan. I think it might be the former.

stephenjmcd · 14-05-2021 05:11PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Cheers - but the risk of attacker having got the data is separate right ? And that’s still a real threat?

Yeah it's possible, depends how far the attack went, what it actually was, where it got in etc. They'll have been trying to see what's been impacted today.

Usually there'd be 2 ransoms, 1 to get access back to your systems and another to not release the data.

Turtwig · 14-05-2021 05:13PM

Loads of cohort 7 folk seem to be getting allocations today. Really hope the attack today doesn't fck up the next set of individuals in that group being allocated.

iamwhoiam · 14-05-2021 05:13PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fantastic. Seems like a good chunk of cohort 7 is being dealt with now considering I got my date too today and my cousin also got hers.

Its seems its being dealt with now thankfully . I think the TDs were being bombarded about the delay

solerina · 14-05-2021 05:14PM

degsie wrote: »

Yes it's bizarre, know a couple who are nowhere near the current cohort and perfectly healthy but got a wink wink from their GP to get a vaccine. Seems like there is a bit of brown enveloping going on :rolleyes:

I was wondering is it because the doctors get 70 euro for each patient they vaccinate...are they pretending they have more of cohort 4 and 7 than they have in reality ? Are any actual checks being carried out

podgeandrodge · 14-05-2021 05:19PM

Registration page back up online.

josip · 14-05-2021 05:28PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Registration page back up online.

Oh no it's not.

expectationlost · 14-05-2021 05:29PM

Tim Robbins wrote: »

If you vulnerable you are vulnerable. Who cares what age you are.

why do they feel left out if their peers haven't got the vaccine either

podgeandrodge · 14-05-2021 05:30PM

josip wrote: »

Oh no it's not.

is for me!

revelman · 14-05-2021 05:52PM

Fergal Bowers saying on Twitter that Dr Tony Holohan has received the advice from NIAC re under-50s “but he has not written to the Minister”.

Pure speculation but if it was the result the Minister wanted, then you’d suspect there would be more urgency about that letter...

Turtwig · 14-05-2021 05:55PM

revelman wrote: »

Fergal Bowers saying on Twitter that Dr Tony Holohan has received the advice from NIAC re under-50s “but he has not written to the Minister”.

Pure speculation but if it was the result the Minister wanted, then you’d suspect there would be more urgency about that letter...

The guidance can sometimes be quite lengthy and wordy. Might just the CMO hasn't processed it all yet.

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