Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Turtwig · 13-05-2021 12:14PM

revelman wrote: »

If I’m looking at the same post, that poster is referencing an article saying that people under 50 who have already had COVID will be considered fully vaccinated after just one dose. So I think the poster is just confused!

Ah dang. That seemed a viable solution for them not having to lower the age restriction.

Not sure how they're going to rationalise lowering it otherwise. They could always say no to the HSE. Or lay down very strict parameters for supply level incurred delays. There is always the risk that such parameters may create an administrative burden that delays the program further.

Sky King · 13-05-2021 12:16PM

revelman wrote: »

Donnelly says Varadkar’s remarks yesterday were “ambitious”. These were the remarks about everyone being able to have a vaccine appointment by end of June.

You would wonder why he said that. Sure it's easy to give someone an appointment by the end of June, if the dates for appointments go on until August!

Beanybabog · 13-05-2021 12:21PM

revelman wrote: »

Donnelly says Varadkar’s remarks yesterday were “ambitious”. These were the remarks about everyone being able to have a vaccine appointment by end of June.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-tánaiste-s-hope-for-all-to-be-offered-vaccine-by-end-of-june-very-ambitious-1.4564039

I wonder is there politicking going on between FG and FF?

That article links to another article saying we’re the most willing to get vaccinated in Europe! I hadn’t seen that.
That makes me a little bit proud. Someone very close to me is very vaccine hesitant and swore blind she wouldn’t get the AstraZeneca. Then AZ was given to her age group only and she’s been very upset and angry about it from the worry, saying she wasn’t getting it. But she got it. She did it because she felt she had to, not even for her own health concerns but because like everyone she wants the world back to normal. I’m proud of her. She’s still giving out about it, I’m glad so far she had no side effects or I’d never hear the end of it

Lucas Hood · 13-05-2021 12:26PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Cheers.

Looking like today is dose 2 million day.

Micky Martin seems to think so.

https://twitter.com/MichealMartinTD/status/1392791192425963529?s=20

So likely another 2X ~40k days Wednesday and Today.

Strazdas · 13-05-2021 12:30PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Micky Martin seems to think so.

https://twitter.com/MichealMartinTD/status/1392791192425963529?s=20

So likely another 2X ~40k days Wednesday and Today.

Yes, they're going like the clappers at the moment : around 1% of the adult population are getting vaccinated every day.

snotboogie · 13-05-2021 12:33PM

Updated EU table for today:
Country per capita Date Reported Ireland Days Behind
Malta 89 May 11th
Lithuania 45.5 May 12th 9
Cyprus 45.5 May 12th 9
Spain 44 May 11th 8
Germany 44 May 11th 8
Denmark 43 May 11th 6
Italy 42 May 12th 4
Austria 41.5 May 11th 4
Belgium 41.5 May 11th 4
Portugal 41.5 May 12th 3
Estonia 41 May 11th 4
Luxembourg 41 May 11th 4
Finland 41 May 11th 4
France 39.5 May 11th 1
Sweden 39 May 12th 0
Netherlands 38.5 May 12th -1
Ireland 38.5 May 11th 0
Poland 38 May 11th -2
Greece 38 May 12th -2
Slovenia 37 May 12th -3
Czech Rep 36.5 May 12th -4
Slovakia 35 May 12th -6
Romania 32 May 11th -9
Croatia 28 May 11th -15
Latvia 23.5 May 12th -22
Bulgaria 15 May 12th -35

Scuid Mhór · 13-05-2021 12:34PM

One day at a time!

twiglet24 · 13-05-2021 12:35PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Have you been in touch with the GP? Is it that s/he is not doing Cohort 4/7?

They only get a delivery of vaccine every two weeks apparently and have only just about finished up with the over 70s, so they said to register on the portal as it will be a while before they get to us.
That’s why my husband was dithering- trying to weigh up his options. He decided not to wait, as there is always the chance that the GP will decide not to continue on.

SleetAndSnow · 13-05-2021 12:40PM

Mother is 55 and just got her appointment for Tuesday in Pairc Ui Chaoimh! Delighted! That'll be both parents done and dusted!

scouser123 · 13-05-2021 12:40PM

Hi,

60 years old. Registered on exact day I was supposed to. No registration text yet.
Heard of lots of 50 year olds getting vaccinated so called the Vaccination line.
Was told I had put in the wrong cohort and he would escalate me.
Can't understand this as I don't recall any 'cohort' option in the registration process other than selecting my DOB.
Now I have heard of lots of people in their 60's still not called.

I wonder if there is a system problem?

revelman · 13-05-2021 12:45PM

scouser123 wrote: »

Hi,

60 years old. Registered on exact day I was supposed to. No registration text yet.
Heard of lots of 50 year olds getting vaccinated so called the Vaccination line.
Was told I had put in the wrong cohort and he would escalate me.
Can't understand this as I don't recall any 'cohort' option in the registration process other than selecting my DOB.
Now I have heard of lots of people in their 60's still not called.

I wonder if there is a system problem?

Perhaps they put you on the waiting list for 50-59 by accident?

scouser123 · 13-05-2021 12:49PM

Hmmm , maybe. Thaks

bodhrandude · 13-05-2021 02:18PM

How come no one has posted since 12:49?

Le Bruise · 13-05-2021 02:20PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

How come no one has posted since 12:49?

No news is good news!:)

revelman · 13-05-2021 02:22PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

How come no one has posted since 12:49?

We have run out of things to say...

stephenjmcd · 13-05-2021 02:25PM

Paul Reid : HSE on track for 250,000 vaccine doses this week, next week it'll be 260,000-280,000 doses

Pandiculation · 13-05-2021 02:27PM

Can anyone make a reasonable guess at what the timeline for the next few weeks will be?

I’m just thinking this 40s to mid 30s cohort is very large. It’s very hard to guesstimate when we will get to the end of the 40s

Also what are the expected volumes of vaccines? There’s always discussion about AstraZeneca & J&J but the main driver looks to be Pfizer/BioNTech. Are those supplies stable and ramping up? Or are we at the upper limit?

Also what’s going on with Moderna? I would have assumed they’d have been delivering more by now.

Red Silurian · 13-05-2021 02:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But the frequency is higher with AZ and the issue is caused by an abnormal immune response.

Also, are the SARS-CoV2 vaccines using adenovirus viral vectors not the first widely distributed vaccines using an adenovirus vector?

Answering you one at a time

1. AZ was rolled out earlier and is in many more arms than J&J is so it's not possible to compare the two vaccines

2. Yes they are, it's also the first time mRNA technology has been used, let alone so widely

13-05-2021 02:32PM

The latest UK data has been published:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

Only a small increase in clotting cases since the last update a week ago:

20 additional cases (262 overall)
2 additional deaths (51 overall)
2 additional cases after a second dose (8 overall)

The incidence rate seems to be slowing down compared to the last few weeks, which is good. I wonder what's driving that.

KrustyUCC · 13-05-2021 02:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Paul Reid : HSE on track for 250,000 vaccine doses this week, next week it'll be 260,000-280,000 doses

While 250,000 would be a big figure and great to see quarter of a million it's the lowest end of the estimate for the week 250,000 - 270,000

Not a very big increase from last weeks figure

Must be supplies slowing down?

stephenjmcd · 13-05-2021 02:47PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

While 250,000 would be a big figure and great to see quarter of a million it's the lowest end of the estimate for the week 250,000 - 270,000

Not a very big increase from last weeks figure

Must be supplies slowing down?

Supplies aren't slowing down,

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c3693-update-on-covid-19-vaccine-deliveries-12-may-2021/

They got a big delivery of 401k 2 weeks ago, that's been driving things. They haven't actually been delivered 250k a week.

Pace of injection has been outstripping incoming supply & not to forget the mountain of AZ they've been ploughing through.

I believe the Pfizer deliveries are due to go up another notch in the next week or two

KrustyUCC · 13-05-2021 02:49PM

Cool thanks

Turtwig · 13-05-2021 02:50PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

The latest UK data has been published:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

Only a small increase in clotting cases since the last update a week ago:

20 additional cases (262 overall)
2 additional deaths (51 overall)
2 additional cases after a second dose (8 overall)

The incidence rate seems to be slowing down compared to the last few weeks, which is good. I wonder what's driving that.

Could be any range of factors.

The rate is so small we cannot definitely state any trend yet.
Let's assume there is one:
Coincidence.
Lower risks groups to COVID being vaccinated and these people for whatever reason have lower risks of the adverse reaction.
Changing of demographics to almost even 50/50 split male/female. Women were about 3 times more like to experience CVST prior to the vaccines.
Any others?

stephenjmcd · 13-05-2021 02:50PM

New referral system if a GP isn't taking part in cohort 4 or 7

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1392839240828952579?s=20

13-05-2021 02:59PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

The latest UK data has been published:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

Only a small increase in clotting cases since the last update a week ago:

20 additional cases (262 overall)
2 additional deaths (51 overall)
2 additional cases after a second dose (8 overall)

The incidence rate seems to be slowing down compared to the last few weeks, which is good. I wonder what's driving that.

Their current rollout is about 4:1 in favour of second doses, possible that clots are mostly occurring after first dose. And the second doses are currently going to people far less likely to clot (over 60s). You may see an increase again once second doses reach the 40s and 50s.

Added to that they've stopped giving it to under 30s and now under 40s (or at least those people are given the option of another vaccine).

13-05-2021 03:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Their current rollout is about 4:1 in favour of second doses, possible that clots are mostly occurring after first dose. And the second doses are currently going to people far less likely to clot (over 60s). You may see an increase again once second doses reach the 40s and 50s.

Added to that they've stopped giving it to under 30s and now under 40s (or at least those people are given the option of another vaccine).

True, though bear in mind there's a time lag in the reporting (it doesn't cover the period after the age limit was raised to 40) and also a lag between vaccination and onset of symptoms. So these cases would be in people vaccinated anywhere between early to late April.

JTMan · 13-05-2021 03:18PM

Interesting Reuters article on whether we will need boosters here.

- More than a dozen influential infectious disease and vaccine development experts told Reuters that existing vaccines may offer enduring protection.
- Concern that public expectations around COVID-19 boosters are being set by pharmaceutical executives rather than health specialists but preparing for such a need as a precaution was prudent.
- WHO said "we don't see the data yet that would inform a decision about whether or not booster doses are needed".
- Former CDC director said "There is zero, and I mean zero, evidence to suggest" that boosters are needed.
- Pfizer Inc Chief Executive Albert Bourla has said people will "likely" need a booster dose of the company's vaccine every 12 months.
- Moderna Inc CEO Stephane Bancel aims to produce a vaccine by the fall that targets a variant first identified in South Africa and expects regular boosters will be needed.
- Pfizer-BioNTech efficacy slightly wanes from 95% to 91% after 6 months. i.e. "a little evidence" of a decline in immunity over those six months.
- "It's quite possible" that boosters would not be needed, Fauci told Reuters.

revelman · 13-05-2021 03:24PM

Richard Chambers on Twitter reporting from a press conference that Paul Reid is saying that they are waiting for “clarity” from NIAC before they can set out when age groups might expect to get their vaccine. Also interestingly says that the “HSE recommendation for vaccine use was on the basis that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine would be used through age groups of 35+”

Did anyone hear the press conference? Other media reports suggesting earlier in the week that they were pushing for 45+. First I have heard of 35+.

freshpopcorn · 13-05-2021 03:28PM

My 59 year old mother has being called and she’s happy because she’s getting the Pfizer one!

Valhallapt · 13-05-2021 03:39PM

revelman wrote: »

Richard Chambers on Twitter reporting from a press conference that Paul Reid is saying that they are waiting for “clarity” from NIAC before they can set out when age groups might expect to get their vaccine. Also interestingly says that the “HSE recommendation for vaccine use was on the basis that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine would be used through age groups of 35+”

Did anyone hear the press conference? Other media reports suggesting earlier in the week that they were pushing for 45+. First I have heard of 35+.

I hope that’s true!

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