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Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

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  • #8072
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,765 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Does anybody know can the send people from the same area to different Vaccine clinics originally people from my area were being called to Mallow but now some are after getting an appointment for one of the one's in Cork City.

    I found out the answer to my question.
    The Mallow Center opened later in April and they have a back log. They hope to send people in the low 60’s to various centers in Cork, Waterford and even Kerry. So, they can move into the 50’s next week.


  • #8073
    PCeeeee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    hmmm wrote: »
    Further down it says that this was from 8.7 million shots so far.

    That's one death in 2.9 million.

    And the thing I keep coming back to on J&J is that it is single shot and done. I think the convenience is a big deal, and will be hugely important when trying to convince younger groups to get vaccinated. This is an important vaccine.

    Even if you restricted it just to males over 18 that'd be enough. Restricting it to over 50s across the board looks excessively risk averse in my opinion, and is unhelpful as we are trying to close out a pandemic in this country.

    Does the single shot of J&J mean half the risk? Are both AZ shots as likely to trigger the clotting issue?


  • #8074
    secman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,664 ✭✭✭secman


    Delta2113 wrote: »
    Anybody a link to actually log in to check if I registered correctly with the HSE?

    Yes I got e-mail and a text message but after checking the text message again my e-mail address is not exactly the same as I registered.

    Go to the portal as if you were registering and at some point you will see an option to log in as already registeted. That part of logging in is very poorly designed, you will receive a text with a code to enter your portal page.


  • #8075
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    PCeeeee wrote: »
    Does the single shot of J&J mean half the risk? Are both AZ shots as likely to trigger the clotting issue?

    It's too early to tell yet as dosing interval for AZ is 3 months minimum. Data from the UK would suggest the more doses you get the greater your risk.

    However, it's too early to draw any firm conclusion there.


  • #8076
    PCeeeee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    Turtwig wrote: »
    It's too early to tell yet as dosing interval for AZ is 3 months minimum. Data from the UK would suggest the more doses you get the greater your risk.

    However, it's too early to draw any firm conclusion there.

    Thanks Turtwig. Interesting.


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  • #8077
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,159 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtwig wrote: »
    It's too early to tell yet as dosing interval for AZ is 3 months minimum. Data from the UK would suggest the more doses you get the greater your risk.

    However, it's too early to draw any firm conclusion there.

    Yeah, the latest UK yellow card data shows six cases following a second dose. So it's happening, but as you say it's far too early to know if it's a similar risk level to the first shot.

    There should be updated UK data coming this afternoon.


  • #8078
    revelman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭revelman


    Turtwig wrote: »
    It's too early to tell yet as dosing interval for AZ is 3 months minimum. Data from the UK would suggest the more doses you get the greater your risk.

    However, it's too early to draw any firm conclusion there.

    I’m not familiar with that data. The MHRA has reported only 6 cases of clots after the second dose versus 242 after the first. While I agree with you, that we still need more time to figure this out because many people have not yet received their second dose, 18 million people have still received their second dose (a large proportion will be AZ).

    In theory, at least, you’d expect that if a person tolerated the first dose (that is, their immune system didn’t overact), then they should tolerate the second dose. Six cases is so few - we can’t be sure that they wouldn’t have occurred in the population anyway.


  • #8079
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    There is a fundamental attitude in the HSE that taxpayers should wait for the convenience of its own operations.

    Are you sure the problems weren't due to people turning up early and trying to jump the queue?


  • #8080
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Has there been any suggestion that the reason AZ appears to result in more frequent issues than Janssnen may be down to the viral vector used? AZ used a chimp adenovirus and J&J a human one. Could the immune response to the chimp virus be more extreme because the immune system is far less likely to have encountered something similar in the past? Just a thought


  • #8081
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭Apogee


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Numbers were pretty slow coming out of a lot of European countries this week. Today is the first day I can put this together. We have firmly caught up in terms of pace with the rest of the EU but will still almost certainly be the last in Western Europe to hit 40 shots per 100 people. Malta seem to be heading in the same direction as Israel with case numbers. They are down to a 7 day average of 25 daily cases per million. On one hand its good news but on the other hand it emphasises how far we have to go to get there. Even the second best performer in Lithuania are really only halfway towards real suppression of case numbers via vaccination (as can be seen by their current case numbers). Headlines like the number one focus of government shifting from covid to housing seem very premature with this in mind and given we are still last in Western Europe for vaccines administered.

    Country per capita Date Reported Ireland Days Behind
    Malta 87.5 May 10th
    Lithuania 44.5 May 11th 12
    Cyprus 44 May 11th 11
    Spain 43 May 10th 10
    Germany 42.5 May 10th 8
    Denmark 42 May 10th 9
    Austria 41.5 May 11th 6
    Italy 41 May 11th 5
    Estonia 41 May 11th 5
    Belgium 40.5 May 10th 4
    Portugal 40.5 May 11th 4
    Luxembourg 40 May 10th 4
    Finland 39 May 10th 1
    Sweden 39 May 11th 1
    France 38.5 May 10th 1
    Netherlands 38 May 9th 1
    Ireland 38 May 10th 0
    Poland 37 May 10th -3
    Greece 37 May 11th -3
    Slovenia 36 May 11th -5
    Czech Rep 35.5 May 11th -6
    Slovakia 35 May 11th -7
    Romania 31.5 May 10th -13
    Croatia 28 May 10th -20
    Latvia 22.5 May 11th -32
    Bulgaria 14.5 May 11th -48

    One additional factor when comparing to other countries, we're doing well in targeting/prioritising the most vulnerable age groups:
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  • #8082
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,960 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Has there been any suggestion that the reason AZ appears to result in more frequent issues than Janssnen may be down to the viral vector used? AZ used a chimp adenovirus and J&J a human one. Could the immune response to the chimp virus be more extreme because the immune system is far less likely to have encountered something similar in the past? Just a thought

    I can see your logic but remember there is blood clots associated with J&J as well. Also chimp adenovirus based vaccines are used in HIV (serotypes 3 and 63) and influenza (AdC68) vaccines without the same effects. So it's unlikely to be the "Chimp" factor and more of a general adenovirus based vaccine factor. It's for this reason that the EC claim that they are not renewing their contract with AZ or J&J

    Scientific data at the moment suggests that it's simply down to how many vaccines are being distributed. Never in the history of humankind have vaccines been distributed on such a scale.


  • #8083
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    crossman47 wrote: »
    Are you sure the problems weren't due to people turning up early and trying to jump the queue?


    Increasing problems as the day goes on are not the cause of people jumping the queue, they are not processing them at the rate they are arriving.


  • #8084
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Red Silurian wrote: »
    I can see your logic but remember there is blood clots associated with J&J as well. Also chimp adenovirus based vaccines are used in HIV (serotypes 3 and 63) and influenza (AdC68) vaccines without the same effects. So it's unlikely to be the "Chimp" factor and more of a general adenovirus based vaccine factor. It's for this reason that the EC claim that they are not renewing their contract with AZ or J&J

    Scientific data at the moment suggests that it's simply down to how many vaccines are being distributed. Never in the history of humankind have vaccines been distributed on such a scale.

    But the frequency is higher with AZ and the issue is caused by an abnormal immune response.

    Also, are the SARS-CoV2 vaccines using adenovirus viral vectors not the first widely distributed vaccines using an adenovirus vector?


  • #8085
    revelman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭revelman


    Deleted User wrote: »
    But the frequency is higher with AZ and the issue is caused by an abnormal immune response.

    Also, are the SARS-CoV2 vaccines using adenovirus viral vectors not the first widely distributed vaccines using an adenovirus vector?

    We really can’t say yet if the frequency is higher with AZ. See my previous post a page or two back.


  • #8086
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Flying Fox wrote: »
    Yeah, the latest UK yellow card data shows six cases following a second dose. So it's happening, but as you say it's far too early to know if it's a similar risk level to the first shot.

    There should be updated UK data coming this afternoon.

    On the second doses, it's 6 from about 6 mil. So 1 in a million risk. Updated rate for their first dose is 10 per million. Remember when it all kicked off, they were saying the risk on first dose was something like 1 in a million. So the rate in the second doses can increase.

    Last 3 updates on J&J by the CDC put the rates at:
    0.9 per mil
    1.9 per mil
    3.2 per mil
    obviously increasing over time due to the reporting delay and higher risk getting down into younger ages.


  • #8087
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    A poster over in the Travel thread "Are we there yet?" (Sorry - I can't seem to link) is suggesting that NIAC may recommend 1 dose only of Pfizer or Moderna for everyone aged under 50. Not just those who have had Covid previously.

    Has any other Country done this ?


  • #8088
    afro man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭afro man


    florawest wrote: »
    Hi,

    I registered last Saturday, having the Moderna vaccine today at 3 in Galway ����

    Florawest


    Lets us Know how you get on and hopefully no Side effects


  • #8089
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭Russman


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    A poster over in the Travel thread "Are we there yet?" (Sorry - I can't seem to link) is suggesting that NIAC may recommend 1 dose only of Pfizer or Moderna for everyone aged under 50. Not just those who have had Covid previously.

    Has any other Country done this ?

    Really ? Wow !! Has to be a wind up surely, given how conservative we’ve been so far and that we ruled out even spacing the doses by two extra weeks, no ?


  • #8090
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,439 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    A poster over in the Travel thread "Are we there yet?" (Sorry - I can't seem to link) is suggesting that NIAC may recommend 1 dose only of Pfizer or Moderna for everyone aged under 50. Not just those who have had Covid previously.

    Has any other Country done this ?

    I'd be very surprised if that happens, it also doesn't really make much sense from a supply of vaccines point of view (i.e. by the time second doses come around there won't be any constraints).

    Sounds like something being made up for those bursting to travel again (1 dose and 3 weeks later I fly!).


  • #8091
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,159 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    On the second doses, it's 6 from about 6 mil. So 1 in a million risk. Updated rate for their first dose is 10 per million. Remember when it all kicked off, they were saying the risk on first dose was something like 1 in a million. So the rate in the second doses can increase.

    Last 3 updates on J&J by the CDC put the rates at:
    0.9 per mil
    1.9 per mil
    3.2 per mil
    obviously increasing over time due to the reporting delay and higher risk getting down into younger ages.

    Indeed. Which is why I feel uncomfortable with the reports of NIAC potentially lifting the under 50 restriction (unless it is on an opt-in basis with the risks fully explained). As the data is updated, it is consistently showing the risks increasing, while covid risks are decreasing. It will be interesting to see the latest UK yellow card data this afternoon.


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  • #8092
    twiglet24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭twiglet24


    Supercell wrote: »
    Very interesting to see in the Got a confirmed vaccine appointment -Post your age and appointment date thread that most if not all the 50's cohort are getting Pfizer or in one case so far the Moderna, small sample set of posters of course.
    I wish it was the case! Where I am (Clare/Limerick border), AZ seems prevalent. My husband (58) got text for the AZ jab, but as he is cohort 4/7, thought he would cancel that in the hope that he would get a later appointment with Pfizer, or get Pfizer from the GP sooner. He got another text yesterday for an appointment today - again with AZ, so after much agonizing, he is going for that today. His main concern with it was that Pfizer was the recommended vaccine for cohorts 4 and 7.
    I’m 57, registered the day after him and still waiting for an appointment. I’m crossing everything that it’s Pfizer as I’m immunocompromised, but when it comes to it, I will take what’s offered.


  • #8093
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    astrofool wrote: »
    I'd be very surprised if that happens, it also doesn't really make much sense from a supply of vaccines point of view (i.e. by the time second doses come around there won't be any constraints).

    Sounds like something being made up for those bursting to travel again (1 dose and 3 weeks later I fly!).

    I would love to travel again which is why I am on that thread but that suggestion just seems far-fetched at the moment anyway.


  • #8094
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    twiglet24 wrote: »
    I wish it was the case! Where I am (Clare/Limerick border), AZ seems prevalent. My husband (58) got text for the AZ jab, but as he is cohort 4/7, thought he would cancel that in the hope that he would get a later appointment with Pfizer, or get Pfizer from the GP sooner. He got another text yesterday for an appointment today - again with AZ, so after much agonizing, he is going for that today. His main concern with it was that Pfizer was the recommended vaccine for cohorts 4 and 7.
    I’m 57, registered the day after him and still waiting for an appointment. I’m crossing everything that it’s Pfizer as I’m immunocompromised, but when it comes to it, I will take what’s offered.

    Have you been in touch with the GP? Is it that s/he is not doing Cohort 4/7?


  • #8095
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    A poster over in the Travel thread "Are we there yet?" (Sorry - I can't seem to link) is suggesting that NIAC may recommend 1 dose only of Pfizer or Moderna for everyone aged under 50. Not just those who have had Covid previously.

    Has any other Country done this ?

    The real world evidence would support this. I'd favour this if it meant younger cohorts avoided the viral vectors. For vulnerable with medical risks they should get two doses.


  • #8096
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Are Tuesdays numbers out yet?


  • #8097
    revelman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭revelman


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    A poster over in the Travel thread "Are we there yet?" (Sorry - I can't seem to link) is suggesting that NIAC may recommend 1 dose only of Pfizer or Moderna for everyone aged under 50. Not just those who have had Covid previously.

    Has any other Country done this ?

    If I’m looking at the same post, that poster is referencing an article saying that people under 50 who have already had COVID will be considered fully vaccinated after just one dose. So I think the poster is just confused!


  • #8098
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Are Tuesdays numbers out yet?

    40,278 they were out early this morning.


  • #8099
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    revelman wrote: »
    If I’m looking at the same post, that poster is referencing an article saying that people under 50 who have already had COVID will be considered fully vaccinated after just one dose. So I think the poster is just confused!

    Yes, but if you continue you will see that I queried him on it and his reply about everyone under 50. Now, he is getting the info 2nd hand from a mate. But I was just curious if any other Country worldwide had done this.


  • #8100
    revelman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭revelman


    Donnelly says Varadkar’s remarks yesterday were “ambitious”. These were the remarks about everyone being able to have a vaccine appointment by end of June.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-tánaiste-s-hope-for-all-to-be-offered-vaccine-by-end-of-june-very-ambitious-1.4564039

    I wonder is there politicking going on between FG and FF?


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  • #8101
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    40,278 they were out early this morning.

    Cheers.

    Looking like today is dose 2 million day.


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