Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Marcusm · 11-05-2021 09:31AM

cnbyz wrote: »

Fully vaccinated people are already exempt from MHQ https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/a6975-mandatory-hotel-quarantine/#exemptions

But still subject to quarantine at home!

Red Silurian · 11-05-2021 09:32AM

FileNotFound wrote: »

I think FG towed the Gov line mostly even though publicly announces they were anti it.

I assume a number of others from tourism areas etc.

Sure the entire govt were dragged kicking and screaming into MHQ and then when it's introduced it has more loopholes to avoid it than it has countries on the list

The term "Irish solution to an Irish problem" resonates

munchkin_utd · 11-05-2021 10:44AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Sure the entire govt were dragged kicking and screaming into MHQ and then when it's introduced it has more loopholes to avoid it than it has countries on the list

The term "Irish solution to an Irish problem" resonates

MHQ has loopholes ? Really ?

Like, you cant apply to be exempt in advance even if you looking to visit a person on their death bed or are not far off it yourself, and when you get to Ireland you need a high court case to force the governments hand
If you travel by land over the border after having been in a listed country, you must report to quarantine or risk a massive fine, and be stuck in it anyhow, and pay for it.

If you ask me its the definition of a measure with little to no loopholes

cnbyz · 11-05-2021 12:12PM

Marcusm wrote: »

But still subject to quarantine at home!

Correct. I guess it is because they have no real way of verifying the vaccination cards people present. here in US you can easily find empty CDC cards.

maestroamado · 11-05-2021 12:32PM

My friend yesterday told me that a family member who recently returned from Spain.
She went for the vaccine, while there she got a phone call asking why she was not at home.
Just thought people be interested...

bombs away · 11-05-2021 12:46PM

maestroamado wrote: »

My friend yesterday told me that a family member who recently returned from Spain.
She went for the vaccine, while there she got a phone call asking why she was not at home.
Just thought people be interested...

My friend told me that she knows Boris the bear ðŸ»

11-05-2021 01:06PM

maestroamado wrote: »

My friend yesterday told me that a family member who recently returned from Spain.
She went for the vaccine, while there she got a phone call asking why she was not at home.
Just thought people be interested...

Someone posts some nonsense like this occasionally, implying that we are being tracked.

If she did get a phone call, it was just coincidence that she wasn’t at home. Would have been one of the standard calls / texts that are made as a reminder to stay home and to check that the details on the form are still correct. I’ve had many given I’m in and out of Ireland regularly

goingnowhere · 11-05-2021 01:17PM

maestroamado wrote: »

My friend yesterday told me that a family member who recently returned from Spain.
She went for the vaccine, while there she got a phone call asking why she was not at home.
Just thought people be interested...

And absolutely NOTHING wrong with attending a medical appointment while in travel quarantine at home.

11-05-2021 01:55PM

goingnowhere wrote: »

And absolutely NOTHING wrong with attending a medical appointment while in travel quarantine at home.

Nope, if you are quarantined you should not attend for the vaccine. Been there, done that. Told by HSE not to show up as I would be refused even after the first negative PCR.

The vaccine is not administered to people who have or had within the past 4 weeks, Covid19.

is_that_so · 11-05-2021 02:17PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Nope, if you are quarantined you should not attend for the vaccine. Been there, done that. Told by HSE not to show up as I would be refused even after the first negative PCR.

The vaccine is not administered to people who have or had within the past 6 months, Covid19.

Isn't that 4 weeks? When did it change to six months?

11-05-2021 02:34PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Isn't that 4 weeks? When did it change to six months?

Apologies, you are right. Its 6 months in Spain. I have edited my comment

zebastein · 11-05-2021 02:41PM

maestroamado wrote: »

My friend yesterday told me that a family member who recently returned from Spain.
She went for the vaccine, while there she got a phone call asking why she was not at home.
Just thought people be interested...

A call from a jealous husband ? From the Amazon delivery man ? :pac:
This story checks all the boxes: not a direct story but a friend of a friend, no real details, and an implied conclusion based on an individual case.

Red Silurian · 11-05-2021 02:48PM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

MHQ has loopholes ? Really ?

Returning from a red list you no longer have to quarantine if you

1. Are fully vaccinated - that's fair enough, I'd even make an argument for partial vaccination (1 dose)

2. Parents travelling with newborn babies

3. Are deemed an essential worker

4. Medical reasons that are unavoidable, imperative and time-sensitive

All are expected to home quarantine, which as we all know most won't bother with

a_squirrelman · 11-05-2021 04:04PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Returning from a red list you no longer have to quarantine if you

1. Are fully vaccinated - that's fair enough, I'd even make an argument for partial vaccination (1 dose)

2. Parents travelling with newborn babies

3. Are deemed an essential worker

4. Medical reasons that are unavoidable, imperative and time-sensitive

All are expected to home quarantine, which as we all know most won't bother with

I did

maestroamado · 11-05-2021 04:43PM

zebastein wrote: »

A call from a jealous husband ? From the Amazon delivery man ? :pac:
This story checks all the boxes: not a direct story but a friend of a friend, no real details, and an implied conclusion based on an individual case.

Well he also told me what changes were expected as regard travel passports which expected he thinks by end of next month so we will see. He may be wrong or it may not be announced yet.
His daughter works Covid frontline...

is_that_so · 11-05-2021 05:35PM

Some thoughts from people in MHQ in the UK. 9 interviewed in total.

Travellers staying in quarantine hotels in the UK after returning from “red list” countries have complained of “prison-like” conditions, including windows that do not open, a lack of fresh air, exercise and decent food.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/11/uk-travellers-complain-of-prison-like-conditions-in-quarantine-hotels

faceman · 12-05-2021 10:01AM

maestroamado wrote: »

My friend yesterday told me that a family member who recently returned from Spain.
She went for the vaccine, while there she got a phone call asking why she was not at home.
Just thought people be interested...

This didn’t happen

Red Silurian · 12-05-2021 02:41PM

a_squirrelman wrote: »

I did

You want a medal? Most won't, they're probably laughing at you

faceman wrote: »

This didn’t happen

How do you know exactly? Are you the friend?

a_squirrelman · 12-05-2021 02:57PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

You want a medal? Most won't, they're probably laughing at you

How do you know exactly? Are you the friend?

Yes please, actually cut it in half and send it to Coveney and Donnelly.
Or sure keep half and give the other to saab.

maestroamado · 12-05-2021 05:07PM

faceman wrote: »

This didn’t happen

The cheek of you to suggest some one is a liar.
That's how credible you are... i am repeating what was said to me and i believe it to be true as i know the person...

And to make it worse you are one of the bosses here... leader???

12-05-2021 08:13PM

maestroamado wrote: »

The cheek of you to suggest some one is a liar.
That's how credible you are... i am repeating what was said to me and i believe it to be true as i know the person...

And to make it worse you are one of the bosses here... leader???

Your implication was that your friend was called because they were out of their house. Like they were being somehow tracked

But you know that

And we all know that that isn’t what happened. They got the standard phone call that some people get to check that the details on the form are still correct. I’ve had many (mostly texts actually) given that I’m in and out of the country a lot

It just happened to come while they were out, but is totally unconnected with that fact, despite your inference

maestroamado · 13-05-2021 04:04AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Your implication was that your friend was called because they were out of their house. Like they were being somehow tracked

But you know that

And we all know that that isn’t what happened. They got the standard phone call that some people get to check that the details on the form are still correct. I’ve had many (mostly texts actually) given that I’m in and out of the country a lot

It just happened to come while they were out, but is totally unconnected with that fact, despite your inference

Your talking rubbish, none of us know what happened.
I repeated what was said to me and your friend said it was lies.
I just now noticed a few other eejits agreed with both of you.
I have an intense dislike for liars or people who call people liars without having confirmation.

I also think its something the MODS here should look into....

faceman · 13-05-2021 10:51AM

maestroamado wrote: »

Your talking rubbish, none of us know what happened.
I repeated what was said to me and your friend said it was lies.
I just now noticed a few other eejits agreed with both of you.
I have an intense dislike for liars or people who call people liars without having confirmation.

I also think its something the MODS here should look into....

I’m not interested in popularity contests. I am interests in facts.

I’m quite familiar with the state’s procedures for “checking” on people post travel. Nobodies movements are being tracked. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

What could have happened is the mysterious, unverified person, was contacted by phone at a time they happened to not be at home. It’s possible the unverified person told the caller that he/she was not at home due to a medical appointment. Given medical appointments, including vaccinations, are a permitted reason to leave isolation then there is no issue.

Any suggestion that an individual’s movements are being tracked after arriving in Ireland are bare face lies. The belief that the state has some high tech surveillance system monitoring movements in real time is hilarious but also spreading misinformation

13-05-2021 10:54AM

faceman wrote: »

I’m not interested in popularity contests. I am interests in facts.

I’m quite familiar with the state’s procedures for “checking” on people post travel. Nobodies movements are being tracked. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

What could have happened is the mysterious, unverified person, was contacted by phone at a time they happened to not be at home. It’s possible the unverified person told the caller that he/she was not at home due to a medical appointment. Given medical appointments, including vaccinations, are a permitted reason to leave isolation then there is no issue.

Any suggestion that an individual’s movements are being tracked after arriving in Ireland are bare face lies. The belief that the state has some high tech surveillance system monitoring movements in real time is hilarious but also spreading misinformation

Not vaccination, Its one of the things they ask you before you arrive. Many doctors and dentists will also ask and wont perform any routine / non emergency treatment either.

I missed my vaccination as a result of quarantine rules. Its acceptable to leave for testing

Red Silurian · 13-05-2021 11:10AM

maestroamado wrote: »

The cheek of you to suggest some one is a liar.
That's how credible you are... i am repeating what was said to me and i believe it to be true as i know the person...

And to make it worse you are one of the bosses here... leader???

Some people like lies though, like the lie that 0.5% of cases in Ireland are travel related I always find funny

Red Silurian · 13-05-2021 11:34AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Not as funny as the lie that MHQ keeps out variants though.

You're missing two words there (or maybe you were proving my point about lies)

MHQ helps to keeps out variants

Do you have proof that if we didn't have MHQ that we would not be swarming in Indian, US or South African variants?

faceman · 13-05-2021 11:42AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Not vaccination, Its one of the things they ask you before you arrive. Many doctors and dentists will also ask and wont perform any routine / non emergency treatment either.

I missed my vaccination as a result of quarantine rules. Its acceptable to leave for testing

A further hole in the OP’s story so!

13-05-2021 11:44AM

faceman wrote: »

A further hole in the OP’s story so!

I should have just lied I guess.

OwenM · 13-05-2021 11:52AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

You're missing two words there (or maybe you were proving my point about lies)

MHQ helps to keeps out variants

Do you have proof that if we didn't have MHQ that we would not be swarming in Indian, US or South African variants?

Looking for proof that you know doesn't exist because it hasn't been tested isn't contributing much to the conversation. MHQ as operated in Ireland can only potentially delay the introduction of a variant and was only done to calm the baying mob whipped up by the zero covid nutters in ISAG (McConkey, Staines, Killeen, Scally etc)

All of the EMA approved vaccines work against all the variants except the Indian one and that is down to a lack of evidence and not any data that indicates otherwise.

MHQ is a monumental waste of money and is doing long term economic damage which by now has probably ruined any chance of inbound tourism this year.

saabsaab · 13-05-2021 12:11PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

You're missing two words there (or maybe you were proving my point about lies)

MHQ helps to keeps out variants

Do you have proof that if we didn't have MHQ that we would not be swarming in Indian, US or South African variants?

We would.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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