Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

niallo27 · 12-05-2021 09:29PM

gozunda wrote: »

Straight question, if we have lower case and death rates compared to many countires in Europe, who do you think is right, you or someone else?

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Or is just about indoor dining?

So because the people in Ireland suffered longer restrictions than any other country in Europe and kept case numbers down, not the lowest mind you, our reward is opening up later than every other country in Europe.

niallo27 · 12-05-2021 09:30PM

average_runner wrote: »

France are still only doing the over 70

France are ahead of us in vaccine rollout, if the graph in the vaccines thread is correct.

MadYaker · 12-05-2021 09:38PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Wow....you are getting a little too passive aggressive for my taste.

I don't understand how Antigen Tests aren't used more in this country, as another tool to fight the virus...they are used in other countries....

I also don't understand how we can develop multiple vaccines in record time but we can't improve a simple rapid antigen test....but like you, I am no expert.

The poster you’re responding to is a healthcare professional, you’ll notice they don’t post in this thread very often. I wonder why that might be?

average_runner · 12-05-2021 09:39PM

niallo27 wrote: »

France are ahead of us in vaccine rollout, if the graph in the vaccines thread is correct.

France will start over 55 on 15th may. We are ahead on that data. Also take up on the vaccine is not great there

charlie14 · 12-05-2021 09:40PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

Nope a CSO article backed by facts , name the country again we are all still waiting?

Try and keep up paddy. I did yesterday and all those that were supposedly so interested suddenly went very quiet.

The rest of Europe is opening everything right away based on Irish CSO facts ?

charlie14 · 12-05-2021 09:45PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So why do you think France is opening up before us despite being in a worse situation with hospital numbers, do you honestly think they are just taking a punt.

I have no idea.
You are the one complaining about Europe opening before us, so I asked what metric were they using.
From your reply it appears you have no idea.

charlie14 · 12-05-2021 09:49PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So because the people in Ireland suffered longer restrictions than any other country in Europe and kept case numbers down, not the lowest mind you, our reward is opening up later than every other country in Europe.

So what are you saying now ?
That opening up should be based on where a country is on some kind of restrictions league table.

average_runner · 12-05-2021 09:56PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So why do you think France is opening up before us despite being in a worse situation with hospital numbers, do you honestly think they are just taking a punt.

They arent sure what they are doing right now. Onto our campsite over there and they arent sure they be open before july

Sobit1964 · 12-05-2021 09:58PM

gozunda wrote: »

Straight question, if we have lower case and death rates compared to many countires in Europe, who do you think is right, you or someone else?

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Or is it just about indoor dining?

Thats a crazy simplistic viewpoint to take - do you judge everything using this same methodology?

niallo27 · 12-05-2021 10:00PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I have no idea.
You are the one complaining about Europe opening before us, so I asked what metric were they using.
From your reply it appears you have no idea.

Well if you don't know, stop saying they are simply taking a punt.

Sobit1964 · 12-05-2021 10:03PM

charlie14 wrote: »

So what are you saying now ?
That opening up should be based on where a country is on some kind of restrictions league table.

Assuming national restrictions are based on medical professionals making informed decisions. What do you suggest they base things on?

niallo27 · 12-05-2021 10:03PM

charlie14 wrote: »

So what are you saying now ?
That opening up should be based on where a country is on some kind of restrictions league table.

No, but stay with me, maybe open with number vaccinated and numbers in hospital. Are we not trying to protect our health system, isn't thst the point of lockdowns.

gozunda · 12-05-2021 10:08PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So because the people in Ireland suffered longer restrictions than any other country in Europe and kept case numbers down, not the lowest mind you, our reward is opening up later than every other country in Europe.

Even more amazing things which were never said eh?

Eitherway I reckon you're looking down the wrong end of the telescope there tbh.

Any chance like we can wait a couple of weeks as has been specified - at least until we have most those who need it vaccinated or do you absolutely must have indoor dining open right now?

And just one more little thing - most Adults I know generally don't expect 'awards' for having a bit of cop on tbf.

gozunda · 12-05-2021 10:15PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Thats a crazy simplistic viewpoint to take - do you judge everything using this same methodology?

Ah my bad. I was paraphrasing the simplistic viewpoint of the poster to whom I was replying to show how crazy such a pov was.

Im afraid You'll have to reserve such praise for them ...

niallo27 · 12-05-2021 10:17PM

gozunda wrote: »

Even more amazing things which were never said eh?

Eitherway I reckon you're looking down the wrong end of the telescope there tbh.

Any chance like we can wait a couple of weeks as has been specified and not risk throwing out all that good work? Or at least until we have most those who need it vaccinated or do you absolutely must have indoor dining open right now?

And just one more little thing - most Adults I know generally don't expect 'awards' for having a bit of cop on tbf.

Open right now, another thing nobody said. I guess most adults you know haven't been out of work months and had their businesses ruined, maybe they might like to open a few weeks earlier for the sacrifices they made or just a bit of cop on as you call it.

charlie14 · 12-05-2021 10:22PM

niallo27 wrote: »

They are using metrics from the UK and Israel and the states that vaccines work, why bring up Germany and France pre vaccines. Do you think the vaccines will not work in France or Germany. Your not one of them who think vaccines don't work and it's a ploy to take over the world are you.

24th April when Germany applied their "emergency brake" was that pre vaccines ?
France closed schools for 3 weeks and inter-regional travel banned from 5th April, 10Km restriction on travel and non-essential shops shut, was that pre-vaccines ?

France and Germany got it wrong on the level of vaccination, and their numbers soared resulting in further restrictions.
If France and Germany are now following the U.K. data same as we are, then they know the level of vaccination the U.K. began opening up at. If they are doing other than that then they are chancing their arm. Simple as.

charlie14 · 12-05-2021 10:27PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Open right now, another thing nobody said. I guess most adults you know haven't been out of work months and had their businesses ruined, maybe they might like to open a few weeks earlier for the sacrifices they made or just a bit of cop on as you call it.

I wish you would make up your mind one way or another. It was save time and energy.
One post has Germany and France opening following the U.K. data, and the next with Ireland opening in line with the same data, we should disregard it and open a few weeks earlier.

Sobit1964 · 12-05-2021 10:27PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Open right now, another thing nobody said. I guess most adults you know haven't been out of work months and had their businesses ruined, maybe they might like to open a few weeks earlier for the sacrifices they made or just a bit of cop on as you call it.

I said open right now.

We protected A, only to protect B, so that C might be saved, then D needed a fair chance, we might be at around X right now. Not many of whom incidentally were actually protected by any actions taken. Tribunals will show that many actually died due to the initial policies.

So now its all about jabs in the arms, but for group a..... b..... c..... d..... amazingly the UK is the hero, lets follow their roadmap based on percentages. Odd given that the rest of the EU is moving quicker, and Ireland had the kent variant earlier. I guess a whole bunch of very slow learners are discovering that vaccines have a purpose and based on their uptake you can extrapolate.

Its a shambolic government, led by a cockwomble - and cheered on people that thankfully stay at home even at the best of times.

gozunda · 12-05-2021 10:28PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Open right now, another thing nobody said. I guess most adults you know haven't been out of work months and had their businesses ruined, maybe they might like to open a few weeks earlier for the sacrifices they made or just a bit of cop on as you call it.

Well if you're not inclined to wait a couple of weeks - when exactly you want everything opened? Yesterday?

And I guess you're not "most people in Ireland" or mostAdults. Or even all those who have been out of work etc. Because the absolute majority of people know we are close to our vaccination targets. And are not jumping up and down and screaming that they want it all asap!

Everyone has made 'sacrifices'. I don't know anyone who hasn't. And most know a few weeks will help cement those sacrifices into benefits for everyone.

Sobit1964 · 12-05-2021 10:28PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I wish you would make up your mind one way or another. It was save time and energy.

It might be easier if your posts answered questions that he asked

paddyisreal · 12-05-2021 10:38PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Try and keep up paddy. I did yesterday and all those that were supposedly so interested suddenly went very quiet.

The rest of Europe is opening everything right away based on Irish CSO facts ?

Obviously you don't know or bothered to read the context of the argument, it was relating to houses built and construction been shut down unnecessarily nothing to do with Europe opening up.
And yes the CSO proves that construction was shut down in Ireland since December so forgive me for providing a few facts.

charlie14 · 12-05-2021 10:38PM

niallo27 wrote: »

No, but stay with me, maybe open with number vaccinated and numbers in hospital. Are we not trying to protect our health system, isn't thst the point of lockdowns.

Stay with you when you haven`t a clue where you are going when or why!

You cannot make up your mind what metric should be used for reopening.
We have restriction league tables, following the U.K. data for France and Germany, but knock a few weeks off for Ireland.
You don`t even appear to even know when vaccinations started if you believe Germany`s "emergency brake" or the further French restrictions of March/April were pre vaccines.

charlie14 · 12-05-2021 10:41PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

Obviously you don't know or bothered to read the context of the argument, it was relating to houses built and construction been shut down unnecessarily nothing to do with Europe opening up.
And yes the CSO proves that construction was shut down in Ireland since December so forgive me for providing a few facts.

I was not even discussing it with you, or anybody else for that matter, so why post me about it

charlie14 · 12-05-2021 10:44PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

It might be easier if your posts answered questions that he asked

What question do you believe he asked that I haven`t answered ?

Sobit1964 · 12-05-2021 10:46PM

charlie14 wrote: »

What question do you believe he asked that I haven`t answered ?

Come on now - you know that your posts yesterday got a bit debunked. Everyone wants to know - what country were you talking about?

niallo27 · 12-05-2021 10:46PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I wish you would make up your mind one way or another. It was save time and energy.
One post has Germany and France opening following the U.K. data, and the next with Ireland opening in line with the same data, we should disregard it and open a few weeks earlier.

What are you on about, I think we should open in line with the rest of Europe. That has always been my stance. You do realise opening with Europe would mean us opening up a few weeks earlier.

niallo27 · 12-05-2021 10:49PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well if you're not inclined to wait a couple of weeks - when exactly you want everything opened? Yesterday?

And I guess you're not "most people in Ireland" or mostAdults. Or even all those who have been out of work etc. Because the absolute majority of people know we are close to our vaccination targets. And are not jumping up and down and screaming that they want it all asap!

Everyone has made 'sacrifices'. I don't know anyone who hasn't. And most know a few weeks will help cement those sacrifices into benefits for everyone.

Interesting point, what are our vaccination targets you mention we are close to meeting.

charlie14 · 12-05-2021 10:52PM

niallo27 wrote: »

What are you on about, I think we should open in line with the rest of Europe. That has always been my stance. You do realise opening with Europe would mean us opening up a few weeks earlier.

So all of Europe is now opening at the same phases and on the same dates.
When was this announced and what metric did they all agree on for determining these phases and dates ?
Bloody sneaky off them all getting together and organising that on the quiet imo.;)

niallo27 · 12-05-2021 10:54PM

charlie14 wrote: »

So all of Europe is now opening at the same phases and on the same dates.
When was this announced and what metric did they all agree on for determining these phases and dates ?
Bloody sneaky off them all getting together and organising that on the quiet imo.;)

Name a country in Europe that is opening indoor dining after us, now I know you have had trouble with the question before so don't expect an answer.

Ha Long Bay · 12-05-2021 10:57PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Name a country in Europe that is opening indoor dining after us, now I know you have had trouble with the question before so don't expect an answer.

Do you think we should bring in a curfew here to keep in line with some other European countries?

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