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the more and more i look at this cell mapper the more confused i get.
The router now tells me im connected to Cell 28956419.
Which is miles upon miles away and my antenna is faced in the opposite direction. I can not see that tower either from a sat image.
Is there anyway to map these towers to Comregs map which are supposed to be accurate.
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In ~March i got myself ISKRA P-58 L700 kitIm after moving my antenna to the other side of the house and still dont see any difference in speed or stability. Still can not get 4g either with vodafone.
I can not get LOS to any of the cell towers due to my house being surround by trees on nearly all sides. Its making me think the trees are having a bigger impact than i though or else it is the antenna im using.
Do you think if i purchased the another antenna it would improve things. Should i go directional even thought the trees are there?
What do ye think?
Cant say its much better signal than the original, but some improvement.
Edit: i have "dropped" sat dish i had on old antenna and still maintain same signal/speed level. Old antenna now serve as secondary connection, for work.
Omni vs Dir - it'll pick strongest signal available in the vicinity.
Where my new dir antenna still, very occasionally, jump onto "slow" cell, i think omni wont even consider what cell to go for
Your situation might differ (!)
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smuggler.ie wrote: »Perfect! Invisible too! Can you link data sheet so we know details?
https://www.iskra.eu/en/MIMO/MIMO-Antenna-P-60-5G-7003800/
Just realised they need nearly a meter between the antennas so thats probably a no go since the pole it is mounted on already has a Soarview and a sat dish and wont have that kind of space0 -
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[Talking about 3 here]
Placed some of the towers. Using Comreg data its not possible to be sure of all of them. 3110 we've only seen one cell from, it could be an eNB running an extra cell on one of the existing sites or it could be where I've placed it, there should be a cell serving there. The slightly hilly nature may mean not all sites broadcast 360*.
Update: this is the cell you posted in the OP.
Looks to be radio fed in the past if not currently. That's one _possibe_ explanation for the intermittent dropouts if your signal to the cell remains ok but traffic dies.
The two sites along the railway are significant and probably well connected and also well used. One has two tiers of LTE Id say (North) and the other one tier.
Both sites are listed as 5G enabled for several months. In the next 6-12mo these could be the best option. You're essentially benefiting from all the teenagers that cannot afford an iPhone 12 yet but as time goes on the number of handsets loading the 5 cells will rise sharply. At higher frequencies you'll want either direct LOS or very low foliage cover in the way. The trees you mention are an issue but these two sites are quite tall and you're above them right?0 -
If not mistaking, this site(3110 and 3676) is obscured from OP by heavy foliage, ~15m tall evergreen trees (thuja) - wall all year round.
Only guessing - signal from that side just being bounced off/signal from further sites in opposite direction(398) being reflected to the aerial.
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Your router show info what cell you are connected to.If the signal is bounced off other sites would that mean i would see the true origin as the cell i'm connected to or the relay/intermittent cell?
By "bounce" i mean you not getting it from that cell or signal is weak and router ignore it. By "reflection" i mean trees work as mirror - even your antenna not pointing towards eNB 398 it gets reflection from the trees.
I know its time consuming, but if i were you, i'd try positioning antenna every 5° and test.
To my experience it can make huge difference on what cell it pick and signal/speed you get. Height(not necessary higher) and tilt(up or down) factors might have effect too.
Once you at it, test 3G only - where its 25Mbps max, its almost constant as everyone trying to "milk" 4G hence fluctuation.
Also, look into eNB 443/3662(Three CK0046) - east side from your location. Correct me if I'm wrong - you have more-less open view on driveway side and it might give you LOS to that site, despite its ~2.5km away. This site is marked for NR(Three) as well.
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Either you didn't post full FW number or i dont know what you installed there, you previous post listI de branded the router by installing the latest HUAWEI firmware i could find(21.316.01.01) still no option to select antenna like yours.
that indicate you few numbers shortHardware version:CL1E5175HM
Software version:21.310.01.00.07
Web UI version:16.100.02.00.03
Another link to check your current firmware region
you need nill_nill at the end for generic Huawei, this should unlock full menu options
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Additional about external antenna settings on E5186 - apparently there is non even on generic FW, its auto
See @6min in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYKXRpJlyx8
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smuggler.ie wrote: »Either you didn't post full FW number or i dont know what you installed there, you previous post list
that indicate you few numbers short
Another link to check your current firmware region
you need nill_nill at the end for generic Huawei, this should unlock full menu options
Sorry firmware i put on is BV7R2C0update_21.316.01.00.00 - Huawei.gz.bin and i got it from here.
Weird thing is that i just checked and on the router it says its on version "21.316.01.01.07" but I have not put that version on so not sure whats going on. The firmware i put on definitely worked as the logo changed and a load of other options went.
Going to try to put on the modded firmware with all the extra features during the week.The thread went straight into cellular so I assume fixed line is out. Any chance you could link from a neighboir? On mobile atm but one assume there's at least VDSL nearby.
fixed line is out as the most i can get is 18Mb due to my distance from the cabinet even though there is a cabinet across the road but im connected to a different one CHF1. Last time i was connected to fixed line i was getting no where near that plus i get better even with 3G. It may not be the most stable but still better than paying for fixed with crap speed.
It was you who actually informed me I was connected to a different cabinet. The telephone cable connected to my home and my Neighbors has been down for a long time and I can see it in hanging from trees.0 -
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eNB ID3736 most likely inaccurate, compare to comreg there is no mast in that location. There is eNB1098/THREE_CK0203 bit further that line - could be same spot.
Acording to solwise :
LOS from your location(left) to eNB 3662(right)
LOS from your location(left) to eNB1098/THREE_CK0203(right)
Another tool to check LOS
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If willing to play with settings bit more...
Could you check what band you are running on your "best day" ?
For that:
log in to router web interface, on another tab paste this (correct IP) and hit Enter
view-source:http://Router_IP_here/api/device/signal
Line you looking for is
<band>?</band>
Even free version of LTE H-Monitor* will allow you to "force" router into selected band, this might facilitate better speed/experience
* i am currently test-running it and it allow me to keep onto B1(2100MHz) - off peak ~100-120Mb DL/30-40Mb UL
Side note:
For testing, i mixed antennas - one coax comes from ISKRA P-58 L700, other from same you have. Both pointing same direction.
Results were somewhat odd - forcing router to B1 intermittently register cell ID that is >15Km(!?!) away(no LoS, ~15° off course), switching back to my "local" mast ~4Km.
Connection to that ID reoccurring, don't even know what to make of it....
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I am not sure of anything at the moment.Are you sure you arent seeing an SCC vs a PCC? I seem to be getting B1 for CA use.
Can SCC come from separate mast?
With LTE H-Monitor i am forcing B1 as upload band - this ensures router stay on particular mast and gives me best speeds
I was surprised when saw it on LTE H-monitor, so start looking into it - as it occurred several times i had enough time to take reading with /api/device/signal
My router clearly register Cell ID, ID number being completely different from my local mast.
This specific sector is not registered on cellmapper(nor eNB state B1 is there) but ID number sequence correspond to other sectors from mast that i know exist 15Km away.
eNB ID confirmed it on LTE H-Monitor dash. TAC number differ too.
It is still happening today, however, just for split second.
Reflected on LTE H-Monitor dash, and it is registered in the logs. Didn't saved logs from yesterday and they are cleared on reboot, damn
WAN IP does not change when ID change today, no connection drop, and i cant think if it was yesterday.
Puzzled...
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Baffled.
Made a spin. The only place could catch it on the phone was just <1Km away from home on very narrow stretch - talking 15-25m of the road , different sector but same eNB ID.
Callmapper acting up - now it show that eNB even further away - ~50Km
"Ghost", for now anyway
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Takes some efforts doesn't it... Glad for your 100 !
Can you remind me what gear you have now?So after replacing everything router, antenna .....
Lost me there between numbers, might review and correct where applies so we could get the actual picture.In the last week or so the router seems to be flickering between 3737 and 3736. 3636 give me around 50-100Mb at all times where 3737 never gives me more than 20Mb.....
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3676 NW from you
3736 S from you
3737 SE from you, "ghosting"
3636 ??? cant see
Few posts back i mentioned new cell appear out of nowhere on B1 for me.
It "ghosted" till i made decent spin around my area. Watched its move on cellmapper - from W @15Km, to SW(my antenna point there about this direction) @50Km to its final destination SE @10Km. Similar could be with your 3737
B1 being 2100MHz travel further distance
Since it was interfering for me i have moved to B3 (1800Mhz) and currently sitting snug on 120-180DL. Rarely 100 at peak times, 260 tops at 6 in the morning.
Have you tested B3, your cells show it - should be no antenna adjustment needed.
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Wow. 5G prepared!So here is what i upgraded to
- huawei 112-372 router
- Iskra P-60-5G MIMO Antenna
- moved antenna so the cable length is now 5m instead of 10m to router.
And have you 5G add-on enabled on your SIM? Wonder how that works
Someone mentioned Three potentially does 5G over B1 and it was your town IIRC.
Edit: eNB ID 3081 in particular was mentioned
Also, switch celmapper to NR! - your pin-point location has tracks left there, as well as 3081 area, but no masts marked. You might have 5G available :eek:
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I should of probably added that i got a 5G phone just to test the reception before i splashed out on the 5G router.smuggler.ie wrote: »Wow. 5G prepared!
And have you 5G add-on enabled on your SIM? Wonder how that works
Being honest 5G is not all that it is made out to be. The speeds I am getting are pretty much that same as on 4G unless i am in the city center. There was times i had 5G and it was less than 5MB DL. It may be that they did not fully upgrade the cells yet to handle 5G properly.
Also something worthwhile noting is technically there is 2 types of 5G NSA and SA. Three use NSA which basically means it is working in conjunction with 4G and using the same cells. For this reason you wont see any NR/5G Three cells on cell mapper as they will show as 4G. Since 5G is still using the same infrastructure with 3 it is still being affected by congestion.
Being honest with you using my old router and my old antenna and pointing it to the same tower as my new setup i get pretty much the same speeds. The 5G on the antenna also seems a gimmick as the speeds i get with the old and new antenna are pretty much the exact same on the new router. Advice here is dont waste your time and money upgrading as you wont get much of a bump in speeds. Main reason i got the new router is that it support a tonne more bands than the old one which i though would allow me to have better options of bands but the bands in my area are pretty limited and all give low speeds.smuggler.ie wrote:Someone mentioned Three potentially does 5G over B1 and it was your town IIRC.
That is correct from what i can see anytime i am connected to 5G i am on band one but have not been connected that often.smuggler.ie wrote:Edit: eNB ID 3081 in particular was mentioned
Also, switch celmapper to NR! - your pin-point location has tracks left there, as well as 3081 area, but no masts marked. You might have 5G available :eek:
looks like i also contributed to 3081 also.
5G is available in my area but the trees and as it uses 4G means i am still being hit heavily affected by congestion I dont really see any difference in speeds between the 2 in my area.
Below is a speedtest i took a few weeks ago while on 5G with my phone in cork city. 750+ i wish i got that at my place. The lockdown probably contributed to me getting those speeds as well since the city center was deserted.
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Dont think antenna is gimmick, just that it covers up to 3800 MHz... when/if it will be in use for 5G
Once you on B1/4G+ it works on same frequency as your older does hence similar results.
For whatever reason there is no data on Cellmapper from when you got that 750. And i believe this up to Cellmapper to display NR masts, at least for visual effect, even if it is NSA they still have all metrics. Now it looks just orphaned. "Coming soon" perhaps.
Have you tried LTE H-monitor, it has ability to force router into band as well as network mode if router have no option in the GUI.
Any way it is matter of time when ISP's will expand enough to cover wider areas with 5G and you already have gear for it. Just get that chainsaw oiled up
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smuggler.ie wrote: »Yeah, to good to be true...
Dont think antenna is gimmick, just that it covers up to 3800 MHz... when/if it will be in use for 5G
Once you on B1/4G+ it works on same frequency as your older does hence similar results.
We dont know will 3 ever use the 3800mhz frequency they may just use band1 and NSA.smuggler.ie wrote: »For whatever reason there is no data on Cellmapper from when you got that 750. And i believe this up to Cellmapper to display NR masts, at least for visual effect, even if it is NSA they still have all metrics. Now it looks just orphaned. "Coming soon" perhaps.
On my phone I am on 5G most of the time even get it sometimes in my house and cell mapper is running also on it most of the time. There should be a tonne more NR points from me on cellmapper but there is very little in comparison to what should be there. I am not sure what is required for a point to show under NR/5G but its definitely not just connected to 5G as there would be tonnes more from me if that was the case.smuggler.ie wrote: »Have you tried LTE H-monitor, it has ability to force router into band as well as network mode if router have no option in the GUI.
Any way it is matter of time when ISP's will expand enough to cover wider areas with 5G and you already have gear for it. Just get that chainsaw oiled up
I had never tired it but just did there as HuaCtrl does not allow me to select 5G. Brilliant that it runs in Linux too, saves me having to spin up a windows VM and it works with xterm. The router does not connected to a cell if i force 5G or 5G+4G or 4G+5G. I selected band1 as upload band so hopefully that may force it to stay on 3736. Huacrtl does not allow you select the upload band so i could get lucky there. I dont get any 5g stats when connected to 3737 so if i was able to force 5G it would probably keep me connected to 3736 since that does give me 5G stats
Now to work on rooting a phone so i can identify where 3737 is.0 -
Look at your own screenshot.
According "Network" section you are connected to 5G and pay attention to frequency - UL/DL 5G: 3750.0MHz (band n77)
Wonder what would happen if you force that for UL
5G_NR_frequency_bandsNote that the NR bands are defined with prefix of "n". When the NR band is overlapping with the 4G LTE band, they share the same band number.
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smuggler.ie wrote: » Look at your own screenshot.
According "Network" section you are connected to 5G and pay attention to frequency - UL/DL 5G: 3750.0MHz (band n77)
Wonder what would happen if you force that for UL
5G_NR_frequency_bands
I think you miss understood me. So yes i can connect via 5G but never get 5G speeds if you know what i mean. When i have 5G on the phone it just shows that i am connected on 4G band 1 and if i check the cell ID on cellmapper the cell id is a 4G cell. even with my old antenna i was connecting to 5G on the same cell so I am not sure does the antenna make much if any of a difference as i dont think it is actually connecting on 3700+mhz. The only places i got 5G speeds was in the city center.
There is no difference in speed between this router and my old one even though this one uses 5G. This is the point i was trying to make when i said "Being honest 5G is not all that it is made out to be. The speeds I am getting are pretty much that same as on 4G"
Even if i stand next to the 5G cell with my phone i still dont get much over 100Mb and i was getting that when i was on 4G. This is a very busy tower so that may be why i was getting such high speeds in the city center as the place was dead.
Lte H monitor does not let me choose any 5G bands only allows me choose 4G bands and if i choose most of them the router is unable to connect as i assume there are no cells broadcasting on those bands.
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Looked up 3737 again. Max DL on cell40 is quite 5G range.
Same time 3736 cell30 states similar. I believe this is your current cell on router. Obviously these were read on the phone and at better location.
Congestion? Sure, its serious factor, but test it @5-6AM, unless whole estate is running torrents overnight.
Guess falling back to trees obstructing the path or other interference as distance is nothing here.
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smuggler.ie wrote: »I see...
Looked up 3737 again. Max DL on cell40 is quite 5G range.
Same time 3736 cell30 states similar. I believe this is your current cell on router. Obviously these were read on the phone and at better location.
Congestion? Sure, its serious factor, but test it @5-6AM, unless whole estate is running torrents overnight.
Guess falling back to trees obstructing the path or other interference as distance is nothing here.
I would take those speeds with a pinch of salt as during my testing i found there were either way higher or way lower than what I was actually getting.
I was on cell 956496 the other day which cellmapper reports as 5Mb/5Mb but i was getting over 20Mb download on it.This is expected.
NSA 5G is like 4G+ being 4G + 4G. Instead you link 4G + 5G bearers simultaneously. So if your phone is reporting a 4G band but but 5G on the status bar its not contradicting itself. Both are up.
What speeds are you getting right now?
Ah that makes more sense.
Just did a speed test there and getting 46Mb DL and 0.29Mb on 5G at the moment on enb 3736 which is the lowest i have seen in awhile from that cell and tower. One thing i noticed is that the upload speeds have gone to s**t in my area. I was easily getting 20-30Mb up before.
P.S thanks for the suggestion of Network Signal Guru i rooted my phone and it works like a dream hopefully will get some time to do some mapping in the next few days.0 -
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