Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

bear1 · 10-05-2021 09:26AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You will do until the EU passport scheme is in place probably then it'll be one of 3, vaccine, test or proof of prior infection.

After that you'll probably be grand, some point during the summer, more than likely later part of July / start of August

The way I understood it was that for the time being even fully vaccinated people will need the test. There are a few countries which are phrasing it this way anyway.
If that's the case then I can't see what the point was in all of it

stephenjmcd · 10-05-2021 09:29AM

bear1 wrote: »

The way I understood it was that for the time being even fully vaccinated people will need the test. There are a few countries which are phrasing it this way anyway.
If that's the case then I can't see what the point was in all of it

Yes as it stands anyone coming into the country needs to have a PCR with them.

That'll all change once the EU system is up and running when you need 1 of the 3.

10-05-2021 09:31AM

Luke O'Neil sounding quite chuffed on Newstalk this morning. A new study points to masks not being required after vaccination. He made the point for people not to go tearing masks off just yet, but said it's very promising.

He was also talking about how much progress has been made this past year with all of the focus and research on Coronaviruses, that we should never fall to one in such a way again.

TomSweeney · 10-05-2021 09:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Luke O'Neil sounding quite chuffed on Newstalk this morning. A new study points to masks not being required after vaccination. He made the point for people not to go tearing masks off just yet, but said it's very promising.

He was also talking about how much progress has been made this past year with all of the focus and research on Coronaviruses, that we should never fall to one in such a way again.

This is the same Luke O Neill that said masks were not needed at the beginning, now he says you should wear one all the time even when alone walking in a forest..

Yeah, reliable bloke allright...

10-05-2021 09:38AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

This is the same Luke O Neill that said masks were not needed at the beginning, now he says you should wear one all the time even when alone walking in a forest..

Yeah, reliable bloke allright...

I find that hard to believe

FintanMcluskey · 10-05-2021 09:39AM

Fairly certain I just heard Pat Kenny referring to today as magical Monday

A day when we reopened after 4.5 month’s what France or the rest of Europe never actually closed

The infantilism of Irish citizens is complete

TomSweeney · 10-05-2021 09:47AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I find that hard to believe

Obviously an exagerration, but I find it amazing the way he has gone from mask skeptic to full on mask cultist in the space of months - and is never called out on it.

daydorunrun · 10-05-2021 09:47AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

This is the same Luke O Neill that said masks were not needed at the beginning, now he says you should wear one all the time even when alone walking in a forest..

Yeah, reliable bloke allright...

He also said we should be keeping masks for busy indoor settings after the pandemic is over (during flu season I presume).

TomSweeney · 10-05-2021 09:52AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

He also said we should be keeping masks for busy indoor settings after the pandemic is over (during flu season I presume).

Yep, a very dangerous authoritarian controlling individual, but he is a "Scientist" so we must unquestioningly trust him and his infinite wisdom.

10-05-2021 09:54AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Obviously an exagerration, but I find it amazing the way he has gone from mask skeptic to full on mask cultist in the space of months - and is never called out on it.

Ah, I see, another one in the great thread tradition of making sh*t up to get angry about

10-05-2021 09:56AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

He also said we should be keeping masks for busy indoor settings after the pandemic is over (during flu season I presume).

This chat literally started by a poster referencing a twitter post by the individual under discussion where he stated the evidence was starting to support the lifting of the requirement for masks following vaccination.

You couldn't make it up, except by and large, ye do

Marcusm · 10-05-2021 09:59AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

This is the same Luke O Neill that said masks were not needed at the beginning, now he says you should wear one all the time even when alone walking in a forest..

Yeah, reliable bloke allright...

Luke O’Neill was definitely advocating mask wearing from very early on in the pandemic. He and PK used to bemoan how the government refused to follow the line.

Nibs05 · 10-05-2021 10:01AM

I’ve tried searching but haven’t found a answer, can we now travel across the border or is inter county travel just for the republic.

Thanks

is_that_so · 10-05-2021 10:06AM

Nibs05 wrote: »

I’ve tried searching but haven’t found a answer, can we now travel across the border or is inter county travel just for the republic.

Thanks

Nobody will stop you although a health minister up north did have something to say last week about it.

TomSweeney · 10-05-2021 10:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah, I see, another one in the great thread tradition of making sh*t up to get angry about

Nope point stands, look at what he has said about indoor mask wearing after all this, you don't find it strange the way his opinion has changed ?

TomSweeney · 10-05-2021 10:15AM

Marcusm wrote: »

Luke O’Neill was definitely advocating mask wearing from very early on in the pandemic. He and PK used to bemoan how the government refused to follow the line.

Eh .... check the LLS video I just posted..

daydorunrun · 10-05-2021 10:17AM

Deleted User wrote: »

This chat literally started by a poster referencing a twitter post by the individual under discussion where he stated the evidence was starting to support the lifting of the requirement for masks following vaccination.

You couldn't make it up, except by and large, ye do

Make what up? That a former mask sceptic celebrity scientist is now advocating getting rid of masks when vaccinations have help win the war against Covid-19 but reintroduce them to all indoor setting where there are large gatherings every winter because of risks unknown and known like flu.

Allinall · 10-05-2021 10:17AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Nope point stands, look at what he has said about indoor mask wearing after all this, you don't find it strange the way his opinion has changed ?

Why would one be surprised that his opinion has changed?

That was at the start of the virus, and very little was known about it.

It's the mark of a person who is willing to change their position as more evidence and information becomes available, rather than stick rigidly to one viewpoint, which may be completely wrong.

A Shaved Duck? · 10-05-2021 10:18AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Nope point stands, look at what he has said about indoor mask wearing after all this, you don't find it strange the way his opinion has changed ?

Opinions can change as more data and evidence is provided, this situation has been evolving all year to be fair.

You seem to have a very blinkered and negative stance judging by the last few pages.

TomSweeney · 10-05-2021 10:22AM

Allinall wrote: »

Why would one be surprised that his opinion has changed?

That was at the start of the virus, and very little was known about it.

It's the mark of a person who is willing to change their position as more evidence and information becomes available, rather than stick rigidly to one viewpoint, which may be completely wrong.

Masks and respiratory illnesses have been around a long time, masks work the same with covid as they do with others ...

Irony is Luke O Neill was closer to the truth at the beginning of all this, he has since become an authoritarian little jackboot..

daydorunrun · 10-05-2021 10:24AM

Allinall wrote: »

Why would one be surprised that his opinion has changed?

That was at the start of the virus, and very little was known about it.

It's the mark of a person who is willing to change their position as more evidence and information becomes available, rather than stick rigidly to one viewpoint, which may be completely wrong.

But mask wearing is not very effective in most settings at this point, everywhere you go now people are wearing chin hammocks or pulling them out of there pocket or handbag. Tiny percentage using them correctly.

Funnily enough NEPHT were reluctant to advise bringing them in at the beginning because they would give people a false sense of security and some products gave minimal protection anyway- much the same way as they view antigen tests now.

10-05-2021 10:25AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Fairly certain I just heard Pat Kenny referring to today as magical Monday

A day when we reopened after 4.5 month’s what France or the rest of Europe never actually closed

The infantilism of Irish citizens is complete

+1

There was a very good article in Indo (of all rags) last week, which neatly capped the debasement of the Irish public:

The lockdown spin on Stockholm Syndrome is a play on the psychological phenomenon where captives feel love for their captor.

Psychiatrist Frank Ochberg defined it as follows: “First, people experience something terrifying out of the blue. Then, a form of infantilisation. Small acts of kindness prompt a primitive gratitude for the gift of life.”

10-05-2021 10:27AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Nope point stands, look at what he has said about indoor mask wearing after all this, you don't find it strange the way his opinion has changed ?

What you call opinion, is actually science - eg. assessing available evidence, formulating hypothesises and continually revising as evidence emerges. The person to be more suspicious about is the one who's view does not change in the face of an evolving situation

gozunda · 10-05-2021 10:28AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

See there you go again, conflating a single priest speaking out as representative of the whole of the Catholic Church past and present. It might suit YOUR narrative to try and pidgeonhole every comment or statement you disagree with into a "side" so it makes sense to you and you can dismiss it easily, but the reality is that most arguments and indeed people have multiple different sides to them. As I've said before, it's entirely possible to agree with someone on one thing, but completely disagree with them on another, or if you prefer, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. That's why the messenger isn't so important as the actual content of their message.
I may agree with this priest on this particular issue, but it doesn't follow that I automatically agree with everything else that he or his Church say/have said or do/have done - see how that works? This isn't Twitter. Things in the real world can't be broken down into 160 character arguments, and there is no simplistic "us vs them/you're with us or against us" solution.
It's deeply worrying though that this is the new level that passes for debate of serious and far-reaching issues though, and it's not restricted to social media. Politicians like Leo, McEntee, Harris and Donnelly are equally showing themselves to be led by simplistic arguments on Twitter, and making decisions based on what they think will get them the most "likes" and approval, not what is the correct but perhaps harder decision. Social media definitely has its uses and value as a means of communication and information, but it is certainly not something that people or indeed Governments should be relying on to make informed judgements and decisions.

You see that's not the point made at all. But no matter.

You are correct this isn' twitter and thank you for the essay. Though pretty pointless all the same.

10-05-2021 10:28AM

Deleted User wrote: »

+1

There was a very good article in Indo (of all rags) last week, which neatly capped the debasement of the Irish public:

The lockdown spin on Stockholm Syndrome is a play on the psychological phenomenon where captives feel love for their captor.

Psychiatrist Frank Ochberg defined it as follows: “First, people experience something terrifying out of the blue. Then, a form of infantilisation. Small acts of kindness prompt a primitive gratitude for the gift of life.”

Ok Sigmund

TomSweeney · 10-05-2021 10:30AM

Ireland is basically where we were at in Spain in January - shops open, tennis open, gyms open (are gyms even open?) ... It's good that it's finally happening, but it should have been a lot earlier.

Spain has had no outbreaks related to any of these openings (schools have also been fully open since September) - but of course that's becuase we have to wear masks outside ...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

This is the only thing I am critical about with Spain, mask wearing outside - even in outdoor spaces where you are completely alone.

But a small price to pay to be able to eat in restaurants / play tennis/ go to non grocery shops since last summer.

10-05-2021 10:33AM

Nibs05 wrote: »

I’ve tried searching but haven’t found a answer, can we now travel across the border or is inter county travel just for the republic.

Thanks

It was illegal to cross a county boundary for unnecessary purposes, but in the moment the wheels of your car pass into NI, that rule no longer applies. As of today, you can go anywhere on the island.

TomSweeney wrote: »

Nope point stands, look at what he has said about indoor mask wearing after all this, you don't find it strange the way his opinion has changed ?

I wouldn't insult O'Neill by likening him to Churchill — that would be a pretty laughable stretch anyway – but what was that quote? 'When the facts change, I change my mind; what do you do?'

KrustyUCC · 10-05-2021 10:37AM

Jack Chambers on the radio with Claire Byrne

No even testing of spectators at games until July

The lack of ambition and urgency is unreal

gozunda · 10-05-2021 10:41AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Ireland is basically where we were at in Spain in January - shops open, tennis open, gyms open (are gyms even open?) ... It's good that it's finally happening, but it should have been a lot earlier.

Spain has had no outbreaks related to any of these openings (schools have also been fully open since September) - but of course that's becuase we have to wear masks outside ...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

This is the only thing I am critical about with Spain, mask wearing outside - even in outdoor spaces where you are completely alone.

But a small price to pay to be able to eat in restaurants / play tennis/ go to non grocery shops since last summer.

Thats the funny thing. It's not a competition. Every country has faced massively different challenges and difficulties.

Saying we didn't do this when they did that and etc is pointless and makes no sense. We are not Spain and Spain is not Ireland. As for Schools - different EU countries have tackled reopening with a wide range of solutions some opened, then closed etc.

Not to compare but to highlight differences in approach - in Portugal half a million schoolchildren up to the age of 15 returned to classes last Monday for the first time since Portugal went into lockdown in January. (Primary school students had already returned for lessons on 15 March)

Here schooling was prioritised as soon as possible after the massive rise in the rate in infection early in the year and have stayed open.

Things are reopening. We've managed to keep down our rate of infection. The largest vaccination programme in the states history is well underway. There should be Kudos for that.

Tbh I don't get the constant whinging and comparison with other countries engaged in. It serves no purpose.

RGS · 10-05-2021 11:00AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Jack Chambers on the radio with Claire Byrne

No even testing of spectators at games until July

The lack of ambition and urgency is unreal

Didn't hear the interview but agree its a total lack of ambition.

Theres enough LOI games, rugby rainbow cup and GAA league games to choose over the next few weeks to run a test under controlled conditions.

We really are led by a cowardly bunch of incompetent ministers.

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