Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

revelman · 06-05-2021 10:17AM

Ballynally wrote: »

Yes, that seems a contradiction but let me clarify. This group i mentioned are people hesitant on taking either a particular vaccine or generally hesitant because of perceived dangers of taking any vaccine.
That is not really what i am at. I am waiting with registration because to me the JJ seems both the fastest and the safest based on current data. One could argue back and forth about the data but i no longer see the point of that looking at the constant online battle raging and i don't want to enter the shark infested pool.
Suffice to say that i believe most of the current vaccines are safe albeit w mostly short time side effects w particular numbers f particular vaccines.
I have my preference f JJ and willing to wait a short while w registration to see how the numbers stack up in terms of delivery and vaccine rollout strategy by the state and other actors. I keep doing all the things to keep safe. Things are looking good..

If I were you, I’d rush to get the first vaccine that was offered to me.

All the approved vaccines are excellent and very effective.

The notion that we can say for certain right now which vaccine is the best or which vaccine is the safest is just wrong. It is like looking at four brand new cars that have been produced by different manufacturers and wondering which one might break down on your first drive. The chances of any of the cars breaking down is so tiny that it is not worth thinking about it.

Even the Mercedes has a chance of breaking down! On that point, see the news about Pfizer and Myocarditis. France is now investigating a link: https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/167442/france-investigates-new-possible-side-effect-pfizer-biontech-coronavirus-vaccine-ansm-myocarditis-heart-israel/

The CDC has said that the background rate of myocarditis in the population is no different to previous years. But we have to take into account that, generally, myocarditis is caused by viral infection in younger people. Because of social distancing, there have bee very few “normal” viruses circulating. So it doesn’t make sense to compare the background incidence of previous years to this year. What this suggests to me at least is that there could indeed be a link between Pfizer and myocarditis in younger people. But it is so incredibly rare that it is not worth thinking about it.

The point I’m trying to make is that there has been a huge amount of misinformation. People think that getting Pfizer is like striking oil while getting AZ is like receiving a left-over dinner. This narrative is utterly false. All the vaccines are excellent. I just wish I was offered any of them.

TheDoctor · 06-05-2021 10:28AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

33,996 done. Not too bad.

Going to have to be a big rest of the week to hit the 220k

Ballynally · 06-05-2021 10:29AM

hmmm wrote: »

There's no guarantee you will get a choice in July/August. I expect if we have unused AZ and J&J vaccines we will be donating them and using only the mRNA, not offering a menu to people. You'll end up costing yourself 8 weeks of no protection for nothing.

Ironically, I hear talk (was it in the UK?) that people who have received mRNA may get an Astra Zeneca booster if a third jab for variants is required, and vice-versa.

Well, as per usual, some people are reading things that are not there.Happens all the time. It starts with the 'so you are saying that', followed by things the person has actually NOT said. I am not asking nor expecting a choice of vaccine. I am simply saying i am weighing the various parameters.
Before you post re-read..

snotboogie · 06-05-2021 10:31AM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Going to have to be a big rest of the week to hit the 220k

250k was the target. Going to need 3 huge days from Wednesday to Friday to hit it.

white_westie · 06-05-2021 10:32AM

61 year old, Dublin based, getting AZ in Helix in Sat next, received text last evening, not in group 4 or 7, registered in portal last week

is_that_so · 06-05-2021 10:33AM

snotboogie wrote: »

250k was the target. Going to need 3 huge days from Wednesday to Friday to hit it.

220-240K was the target. The week finishes on Sunday.

JPup · 06-05-2021 10:33AM

We should see a couple of days above 50k doses per day hopefully. The supply is there so no reason not to.

GLaDOS · 06-05-2021 10:34AM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Going to have to be a big rest of the week to hit the 220k

I do wonder if overshooting the mark last week means we might miss the 220-240k mark this week?

Wednesday-Friday are usually the big days though.

Ballynally · 06-05-2021 10:35AM

revelman wrote: »

If I were you, I’d rush to get the first vaccine that was offered to me.

All the approved vaccines are excellent and very effective.

The notion that we can say for certain right now which vaccine is the best or which vaccine is the safest is just wrong. It is like looking at four brand new cars that have been produced by different manufacturers and wondering which one might break down on your first drive. The chances of any of the cars breaking down is so tiny that it is not worth thinking about it.

Even the Mercedes has a chance of breaking down! On that point, see the news about Pfizer and Myocarditis. France is now investigating a link: https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/167442/france-investigates-new-possible-side-effect-pfizer-biontech-coronavirus-vaccine-ansm-myocarditis-heart-israel/

The CDC has said that the background rate of myocarditis in the population is no different to previous years. But we have to take into account that, generally, myocarditis is caused by viral infection in younger people. Because of social distancing, there have bee very few “normal” viruses circulating. So it doesn’t make sense to compare the background incidence of previous years to this year. What this suggests to me at least is that there could indeed be a link between Pfizer and myocarditis in younger people. But it is so incredibly rare that it is not worth thinking about it.

The point I’m trying to make is that there has been a huge amount of misinformation. People think that getting Pfizer is like striking oil while getting AZ is like receiving a left-over dinner. This narrative is utterly false. All the vaccines are excellent. I just wish I was offered any of them.

And there you go. The perfect reason not to enter a debate, like i previously stated.
The point you are making proves my point of not entering a debate.
Information/ misinformation depends on where you stand.
There are simply facts and then there are opinions what those facts mean.
There is a difference..if you understand what i am saying..

Wolf359f · 06-05-2021 10:37AM

GLaDOS wrote: »

I do wonder if overshooting the mark last week means we might miss the 220-240k mark this week?

Wednesday-Friday are usually the big days though.

I'd say they forgot about the bank holiday when they announced the 220-240k target this week.

06-05-2021 10:38AM

Ballynally wrote: »

Well, as per usual, some people are reading things that are not there.Happens all the time. It starts with the 'so you are saying that', followed by things the person has actually NOT said. I am not asking nor expecting a choice of vaccine. I am simply saying i am weighing the various parameters.
Before you post re-read..

Your 'weighing of the parameters' makes no sense though.

Firstly, you can't choose to get a J&J vaccine (or indeed any specific vaccine) in Ireland.

Even if it was possible to choose J&J in the summer, how is that preferable to getting a vaccine now? All of the available vaccines have a good safety profile for your age group.

Your reasoning makes no sense, which is why people are commenting on it.

GLaDOS · 06-05-2021 10:40AM

On a separate note, if you think you should vaccinated for any reason, get in touch with your GP.

Friend was talking to his family GP on behalf of his mother with COPD, and the 2 of them ended up getting jabbed that afternoon as he has high blood pressure. He wasn't even asking for himself.

Said it to my partner, who also has high blood pressure. She got in touch with her GP and is getting jabbed this afternoon.

06-05-2021 10:46AM

Are group 4 and group 7 all getting pfizer?
I got pfizer,I'm also group 7 which I accidently found out recently

Ballynally · 06-05-2021 10:46AM

Flying Fox wrote: »

Your 'weighing of the parameters' makes no sense though.

Firstly, you can't choose to get a J&J vaccine (or indeed any specific vaccine) in Ireland.

Even if it was possible to choose J&J in the summer, how is that preferable to getting a vaccine now? All of the available vaccines have a good safety profile for your age group.

Your reasoning makes no sense, which is why people are commenting on it.

It does make sense. Some people dont get it, like yourself. Again, stop reading things that are not there and filling in the blanks with your own thoughts.Given these kind of responses i will no longer engage with them.
I think ive done enough to clarify and people can think of it what they want.
Im going to leave it alone..

ShowMeTheCash · 06-05-2021 10:46AM

Just wondering is there any studies ongoing natural immunity post covid vs vaccine immunity?

So all I have found is.
Natural immunity - Not sure how long it lasts.
Vaccine immunity - Not sure how long it lasts.

But advised to get vaccine even if you have recovered from covid as the vaccine might give longer lasting immunity.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00501-8/fulltext

I found this study that is suggesting that if you have had covid you probably do not need two doses of a vaccine that the virus will already act as a primer and that only one dose maybe required.

ShayNanigan · 06-05-2021 10:49AM

Frustrating to wait when I know in several European countries they're currently starting to vaccinate people from age group 30 to 39. I have asked my GP if it was possible for me to get the vaccine because I have an underlying illness where Covid might cause complications, especially with the risk for blood clots. Apparently no chance since it doesn't mean that Covid would be more severe in me should I get sick. In other words, it doesn't matter how much health risks getting sick would mean because of an underlying condition, they only care whether you might get a severe version of Covid. Also spouse with asthma was told no chance because the asthma would have to be severe. Regular, daily medication for it is not enough.

Meanwhile, they've approved for a nasal spray to be sold in Estonia. It's not a vaccine but apparently still some sort of a prophylaxis that contains antibodies and might stop infections. I wonder if this will be sold anywhere else. Since I can't get a vaccine, I might try if it was available. Don't know if it works but since there are several universities involved in developing it, doesn't sound like a total hoax. Still not sure what to think. I know that Finland is developing a vaccine that is a nasal spray but this is something different.

https://estonianworld.com/technology/the-estonian-invented-anti-covid-nasal-spray-to-hit-the-shelves/

Lucas Hood · 06-05-2021 10:49AM

is_that_so wrote: »

220-240K was the target. The week finishes on Sunday.

Will need to average 33756 for the next 5 days to make 220k or 37756 to make 240k

Last week on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday we averaged 40k per day, more of that and we'll be fine. Saturday and Sundays do need to be stepped up though.

Lumen · 06-05-2021 10:49AM

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Just wondering is there any studies ongoing natural immunity post covid vs vaccine immunity?

So all I have found is.
Natural immunity - Not sure how long it lasts.
Vaccine immunity - Not sure how long it lasts.

But advised to get vaccine even if you have recovered from covid as the vaccine might give longer lasting immunity.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00501-8/fulltext

I found this study that is suggesting that if you have had covid you probably do not need two doses of a vaccine that the virus will already act as a primer and that only one dose maybe required.

Evidence summary of reinfection and the duration of antibody responses following SARS-CoV-2 infection
Health Information and Quality Authority, 11 November 2020
https://www.hiqa.ie/sites/default/files/2020-11/Evidence-summary_immunity-and-reinfection-following-SARS-CoV-2-infection.pdf

Ballynally · 06-05-2021 10:50AM

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Just wondering is there any studies ongoing natural immunity post covid vs vaccine immunity?

So all I have found is.
Natural immunity - Not sure how long it lasts.
Vaccine immunity - Not sure how long it lasts.

But advised to get vaccine even if you have recovered from covid as the vaccine might give longer lasting immunity.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00501-8/fulltext

I found this study that is suggesting that if you have had covid you probably do not need two doses of a vaccine that the virus will already act as a primer and that only one dose maybe required.

I think countries are already implementing that. One shot after clinically proven Covid19.

zebastein · 06-05-2021 10:52AM

seamus wrote: »

Not great though. I appreciate why numbers early in the week are low, but Monday was low like a Sunday.

I know underneath it you still have human beings who are entitled to break and bank holidays, but there's no reason this can't be accounted for so that we don't see bank holidays (and eventually weekends) being pinch points.

If I calculate correctly, we are only 3151 doses behind last week after 2days, including a day which was a bank holiday. So that is not too bad.
If we want to reach 220k, that means we need to give 3.3k doses per day (Wed-Sun) more compared to last week.

Now that we have more doses and more vaccination centres, we should do better during the week-ends. 2week-ends ago we vaccinated 20k people (Sat + Sun), last week end we vaccinated 38k people. There is still room for improvement. If we are able to increase this number again this weekend, we should be able to reach the 220k target for the week.

funnydoggy · 06-05-2021 10:57AM

Looking for a bit of advice -

Once my college exams are over and I have some time to myself, would you think it is wise to go visit my granda? He's 83 and fully vaccinated but I'm not.

I might do a rapid antigen test beforehand if I do call up.

Ballynally · 06-05-2021 11:00AM

ShayNanigan wrote: »

Frustrating to wait when I know in several European countries they're currently starting to vaccinate people from age group 30 to 39. I have asked my GP if it was possible for me to get the vaccine because I have an underlying illness where Covid might cause complications, especially with the risk for blood clots. Apparently no chance since it doesn't mean that Covid would be more severe in me should I get sick. In other words, it doesn't matter how much health risks getting sick would mean because of an underlying condition, they only care whether you might get a severe version of Covid. Also spouse with asthma was told no chance because the asthma would have to be severe. Regular, daily medication for it is not enough.

Meanwhile, they've approved for a nasal spray to be sold in Estonia. It's not a vaccine but apparently still some sort of a prophylaxis that contains antibodies and might stop infections. I wonder if this will be sold anywhere else. Since I can't get a vaccine, I might try if it was available. Don't know if it works but since there are several universities involved in developing it, doesn't sound like a total hoax. Still not sure what to think. I know that Finland is developing a vaccine that is a nasal spray but this is something different.

https://estonianworld.com/technology/the-estonian-invented-anti-covid-nasal-spray-to-hit-the-shelves/

Nasal sprays are already used as prophylactics .Betadine is the brand name.
The active elements are Povidone Iodine.
Then there is Ivermectin but that is a much debated topic i will leave alone for the moment.
I went to my town's pharmacy. They didnt know what either Betadine or Povidone Iodine was. I guess the old style pharmacist who had good knowledge including mixing their own medicine has disappeared.
Nowadays they have computers to look things up. Happens most of the times when you ask a 'difficult' question.

Betadine 'cold defense'. You can get it on Amazon. I think it is produced in Vienna, Austria, so EU..
They do gargle/mouthwash and throat spray as well..

Edit: Betadine seems US only.sorry.

KrustyUCC · 06-05-2021 11:02AM

Yes go visit him

He'll be delighted to see you

My nana is delighted with visitors since she's vaccinated

She's 93

We visit on a rota basis and still wear masks but she's just thankful for the company

06-05-2021 11:04AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Looking for a bit of advice -

Once my college exams are over and I have some time to myself, would you think it is wise to go visit my granda? He's 83 and fully vaccinated but I'm not.

I might do a rapid antigen test beforehand if I do call up.

Just my opinion,but he is unlikely to get sick if you bring it into his household
No harm to do the antigen beforehand
If others in the house 50 or over arent vaccinated,Id wait and visit later

funnydoggy · 06-05-2021 11:06AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes go visit him

He'll be delighted to see you

My nana is delighted with visitors since she's vaccinated

She's 93

We visit on a rota basis and still wear masks but she's just thankful for the company

Oh he would be absolutely over the moon! I think I will. My GF will come too and she'll be fully vaccinated. I'm the weakest link but sure!

Delighted for you KrustyUCC.

Signed,

funnydoggyMTU :pac:

JPA · 06-05-2021 11:06AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Looking for a bit of advice -

Once my college exams are over and I have some time to myself, would you think it is wise to go visit my granda? He's 83 and fully vaccinated but I'm not.

I might do a rapid antigen test beforehand if I do call up.

Yes, an unvaccinated household is allowed visit a vaccinated household indoors from May 10.

ShayNanigan · 06-05-2021 11:10AM

Ballynally wrote: »

Nasal sprays are already used as prophylactics .Betadine is the brand name.
The active elements are Povidone Iodine.
Then there is Ivermectin but that is a much debated topic i will leave alone for the moment.
I went to my town's pharmacy. They didnt know what either Betadine or Povidone Iodine was. I guess the old style pharmacist who had good knowledge including mixing their own medicine has disappeared.
Nowadays they have computers to look things up. Happens most of the times when you ask a 'difficult' question.

I've heard of Betadine. Isn't that iodine-based? The new spray isn't, it has actual antibodies. Those iodine sprays are also not recommended if you have a thyroid illness.

Galwayhurl · 06-05-2021 11:13AM

Not sure if it's been posted but, from the Guardian:

Germany is planning to make the AstraZeneca vaccine available to all adults, irrespective of age and pre-existing health conditions, in an attempt to help doctors shift leftover doses.

(Several reported cases of a rare blood-clotting disorder in people who had received the vaccine led Germany in March to limit the use of AstraZeneca to people aged 60 or older.)

ShowMeTheCash · 06-05-2021 11:13AM

Lumen wrote: »

Evidence summary of reinfection and the duration of antibody responses following SARS-CoV-2 infection
Health Information and Quality Authority, 11 November 2020
https://www.hiqa.ie/sites/default/files/2020-11/Evidence-summary_immunity-and-reinfection-following-SARS-CoV-2-infection.pdf

So some of this I have seen, also the studies many of with did not go past 100 days, hence why back in November they where saying 3 months immunity post infection then have moved it to 6 months as the studies are ongoing.

The study points to reinfection with different strains not the same strain in most cases if not all.

It does not however compare and contrast covid infection immunity vs first vaccine immunity.

ShowMeTheCash · 06-05-2021 11:15AM

Ballynally wrote: »

I think countries are already implementing that. One shot after clinically proven Covid19.

Should speed up the program is nothing else.

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