Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

dogbert27 wrote: »

As a third country would their luggage under go more scrutiny at security?

They certainly will on the return leg, wherein, with the duty free allowance significantly lower than the intra-EU personal allowance (and you average John Smith likely unaware of the fact), the green/red channel exits at UK airports should provide more entertainment than usual this summer.

CelticRambler wrote: »

Possibly as much as the blue channel in the EU, with British travellers being reminded that they have no reason to be there ... oh, and do you have veterinary certificates for these foodstuffs you're importing?

Nah, I'll stick to the UK side customs exit: unless package holiday Brits have changed drastically in the last 3 years, there will still be a very sizeable contingent of midlanders and northerners traveling out with empty cases, intent on filling them up with fags and knockoff branded stuff for flogging down' t' pub and to mates when they get back.

I've got the length of UK residence and co-holidaying with/knowing/seeing the type, to warrant my belief in the stereotype and its scale

Problem is, post 01.01.21. "it's for my personal consumption" doesn't wash anymore (when returning from an EU27 resort): pay up or leave them on the counter.

(I'm well aware that there are intra-EU limits as well, note)

Do you think the average Brexiteer who is gonna want to go to Spain for two weeks of sun is going to care that they need to get their passport stamped? The 90 days in 180 days thing is probably way more time than the average Brit spends on the continent I would have thought. I am more concerned that they won't accept the Irish passport card on arrival in Britain.

They are going to insist all Europeans will use a passport on arrival in Britain in the future. Up to now most EU citizens would have been using their ID cards. Lots of Europeans don't actually have normal passports. I fly there from time to time but from Schengen so have to go through the checks. Be a bit of a pain to go back to carrying a passport.

timetogo1 wrote: »

Why are you concerned about that considering that a passport isn't required at all by an Irish person going to the UK.

Qiaonasen wrote: »

I fly there from time to time but from Schengen so have to go through the checks.

A passport isn't required when an Irish person travels to the UK from Ireland. Entering the UK from any other country, a passport is required.

Peregrinus wrote: »

dogbert27 wrote: »

Add to that the amount of time being wasted due to the complaining being made by the UK passport holders having to understand that they are no longer allowed use the same lanes as before, complaining about the questions being asked, etc

They'll get used to it quite quickly. "Mustn't grumble" is, after all, the British way.

UK travellers (or Irish) coming from the CTA/UK have never arrived at the same gates in a Schengen country where flights from Schengen members arrives.

Flights from non-Schengen destinations do not have passports checked at all.


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Qiaonasen wrote: »

Do you think the average Brexiteer who is gonna want to go to Spain for two weeks of sun is going to care that they need to get their passport stamped? The 90 days in 180 days thing is probably way more time than the average Brit spends on the continent I would have thought.

They will care when they find that it starts to impact them - not Johnny Foreigner - should they find they decide to go on a weekend break six months later or travel for football fixtures and the clock was left running ...

yagan wrote: »

If I have to make a similar journey in the future I'd be inclined to use my passport book as like others have noted there seems to be a campaign to make entering the UK an unpleasant experience.

I've had similar frustrating experiences with UK border guards.

In 2018, I flew from Malaga to Gatwick. My wife and a friend of ours (both Spanish) got through no bother. I was pulled aside and asked for more docs (valid Irish passport not good enough?!).

I have a Spanish Foreign Resident ID card which doesn't have a pic, just my name, my address and a Spanish ID number (in Spanish as well so they had to take my word for it). The officer then quizzed me about why I needed it if Spain and Ireland are in the EU. I politely explained that it was just to prove that I was a registered as a foreign citizen in Spain and it wasn't any kind of a permit. He shrugged and let me through. I still don't understand what the problem was.

I was also pulled aside in Holyhead of all places and had to explain the stamps in my passport for a trip to Brazil I'd made years earlier.

My sister lives in Manchester and I have a nephew there and a newborn niece I'm yet to see, not to mention friends in London, Leeds and Southampton. I'll probably go over in the summer and I'm dreading it just thinking of the inevitable hassle that there'll be.

redcup342 wrote: »

Same here in Spain and in Germany, UK Stock is disappearing and Irish stock is replacing it. I guess most of it is coming from the Musgraves Group.

Dealz in Torremolinos now have various products sourced from Ireland instead of the UK.

Can I ask?

Musgraves is exporting and wholesaling food out of Ireland into Spain?

Selling to Spanish retailers?

Did they always do this?

https://www.musgrave.es/

They are active in Spain in their own right, running the same kind of franchise operations as in Ireland in the local Spanish market. They are well placed to benefit from Brexit in Spain.

Sam Russell wrote: »

There was an item on the radio on Saturday about an Irish farm yoghurt producer who supplies yoghurt into the Emirates. He got a speculative phone call from Belgium but ignored it. It was followed up by a definite request for supply. His response was 'How do I get it to you?' The caller answered - 'You just need to get a pallet to Roscrea!' - 'Sure, I can do that' he said. So that started the ball rolling.

A plus for Brexit.

Maybe ... but it's a bit disheartening to think that someone who can ship yoghurt to the Middle East doesn't know how to supply a customer in Belgium ... and that they would ignore a tentative enquiry. This is why I was curious to hear about smaller Irish producers taking the initiative - the Brexit hole won't remain unfilled forever, and all along I've thought there was a degree of complacency in Ireland about how determined the UK was to pursue a bad Brexit.

Widdensushi wrote: »

Not sure if they are going too far there, I am sure there are people who could die or become seriously ill if they went ahead with that threat, obviously hospitals might have generators but people with kidney issues, asthma issues etc could have difficulties.

The British government has/had a load of generators on ships ready to power Northern Ireland in the event of no-agreement-on-electricity deal, so there should be no problem keeping the lights on in a different set of islands.

forgottenhills wrote: »

Absolutely, its a ridiculous threat by the French to turn off electricity because a few fishermen are too lazy or inept to fill in a form (particularly given that most of them have already done so). This is the type of PR own goal that will make the UK population increasing happy at least for now with their decision to leave the EU.

SFAIK the problem is not that the French fishermen failed to fill in the form. Rather, when they did fill it in they got back licences subject to new and sweeping restrictions that hadn't applied before regarding e.g. the number of days they could fish. That wasn't part of the deal, as far as they (and the French government) were concerned. And, reading between the lines, the French objection is not that these restrictions can't be introduced, but they they can't be introduced without consultation, discussion, possibly agreement, which the Jerseyais appear to have overlooked.

But, yeah, you're right; this is an offensive and ridiculous threat, which will never be acted upon. I'm guessing that Girardin is the Pritti Patel of French politics.

CelticRambler wrote: »

It's not laziness - the Channel Islands authorities are demanding a specific form of proof of historic activity that the fishermen are unable to provide because they weren't told they'd need it until a few months ago.

According to the Jersey politician interviewed for this story in the Guardian "of the 41 boats that sought licences under the new rules last Friday, all but 17 had provided the evidence required."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/05/jersey-french-threat-cut-electricity-post-brexit-licences-boats

If the UK has to accept the reality of now being a third country after Brexit then countries like France also have to accept the reality of UK sovereignty. Its a two way thing.

Not when your an offshore island interdependent on the mainland to provide certain services.