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Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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  • #5342
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    I don't think this will have any impact on the average alcoholic and will only serve to penalise those who drink recreationally but not problematically.


  • #5343
    Awkwardstroke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭Awkwardstroke


    It’s not that long ago that FG made a big racket about “rip off Ireland”....all about high costs in Ireland. Ireland is a relatively high cost country (with declining Alcohol consumption) and this type of price rise does nothing to solve that.

    Look around at our neighbours...with the exception of the Scandinavians, who else does this?

    As a lover of strong Belgium beers, this will make them proportionately more expensive.

    Negative side effects of such a move are possibly home brewing (unregulated output) & loss of revenue to NI.


  • #5344
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,651 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    The only Government that'll be making a killing from it will be Her Majesty's Government, unless Stormont enacts the same folly.

    And they came for the alcoholics and the students first... my concern is that eventually they will ratchet up MUP so the prices are the same as pubs across the board.

    Not with the Sterling exchange rate at present. The exchange rate will continue to be a bigger consideration than the price of alcohol. In Scotland not much revenue went over the border into England.


  • #5345
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,104 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    I doubt that with Sterling

    The savings can remain huge

    A 1L bottle of whisky is €17.33 given todays exchange rate up North

    That would be €31.56 with MUP

    €14.23 of a saving for 1 item


  • #5346
    Sadler Peak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 223 ✭✭Sadler Peak


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    I doubt that with Sterling

    The savings can remain huge

    A 1L bottle of whisky is €17.33 given todays exchange rate up North

    That would be €31.56 with MUP

    €14.23 of a saving for 1 item

    Another reason for people up North not to vote for a united Ireland :pac:


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  • #5347
    patrickbrophy18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭patrickbrophy18


    So, what will it cost for Double IPAs?
    Currently they are between 7% and 8% and cost either €3 or €3.50.

    A similar situation for Guinness West Indies Porter.


  • #5348
    kenmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭kenmc


    patrickbrophy18 wrote: »
    So, what will it cost for Double IPAs?
    Currently they are between 7% and 8% and cost either €3 or €3.50.

    A similar situation for Guinness West Indies Porter.

    No change. This only affects the lowest cost pigswill. The government have said so, who are we to not believe them?


  • #5349
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    patrickbrophy18 wrote: »
    So, what will it cost for Double IPAs?
    Currently they are between 7% and 8% and cost either €3 or €3.50.

    A similar situation for Guinness West Indies Porter.

    min price is 10c per gram of alcohol

    a gram is .8 x 1 ml

    so min price of a 500ml beer at 7% abv = 500 x .07 = 35 * .8 = 28 x 10c = €2.80


  • #5350
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    patrickbrophy18 wrote: »
    So, what will it cost for Double IPAs?
    Currently they are between 7% and 8% and cost either €3 or €3.50.

    A similar situation for Guinness West Indies Porter.

    €3.15 minimum for an 500 ml 8% DIPA


  • #5351
    minitrue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭minitrue


    hansblitz wrote: »
    I see the powers that be banned this guy. All he said is bang on right,
    Apart from the vitriolic hyperbole they had their figures wrong, probably 26.7% too high based on thinking the proposal was 10c/ml instead of 10c/g (alcohol is 0.78924 g/ml (at 20C)).
    patrickbrophy18 wrote: »
    So, what will it cost for Double IPAs?
    Currently they are between 7% and 8% and cost either €3 or €3.50.
    500ml @ 7% would be a €2.76 minimum and 500ml @ 8% would be €3.16.
    I posted a bunch of examples a few pages back: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117072793&postcount=5297


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  • #5352
    IngazZagni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    Am I right in thinking that Scotlands minimum price is 7.2 cent vs our 10 cent per gram?

    It's 50p per unit over there and I was trying to convert.


  • #5353
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IngazZagni wrote: »
    Am I right in thinking that Scotlands minimum price is 7.2 cent vs our 10 cent per gram?

    It's 50p per unit over there and I was trying to convert.

    Their units are volume I think.


  • #5354
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    uk unit of alcohol is different to the Irish unit

    10ml vs 10g

    roughly (for simplicity) uk unit is 80% of the Irish unit


  • #5355
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Pubs2.jpg

    I hope ALL of the pubs beholden to the politicians in this country fail. That will make my day.
    Lying scumbags! Do they think we are all idiots?
    How is paying €5.00 for a pint in a pub in the best interests of the people of Ireland?
    The price in Spain, Italy and France is on average 60c for a can in a supermarket.
    Yet there are no higher percentages of raving alcoholics in those countries.


  • #5356
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    IngazZagni wrote: »
    Am I right in thinking that Scotlands minimum price is 7.2 cent vs our 10 cent per gram?

    It's 50p per unit over there and I was trying to convert.

    It's 6.25p per unit so, yes , 7.2 cents.


  • #5357
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    This thread never fails to deliver.

    Great reading.

    People looking for list of VFI members so that they can avoid them.

    Don't forget the LVI, buddy.

    Hilarious.


  • #5358
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    This thread never fails to deliver.

    Great reading.

    People looking for list of VFI members so that they can avoid them.

    Don't forget the LVI, buddy.

    Hilarious.

    I hope every single one of them fail, to be honest.
    Part of the Irish alcohol problem is high prices in pubs. Higher than most countries on the planet.
    Maybe the politicians should focus on that instead.


  • #5359
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Pubs2.jpg

    I hope ALL of the pubs beholden to the politicians in this country fail. That will make my day.
    Lying scumbags! Do they think we are all idiots?
    How is paying €5.00 for a pint in a pub in the best interests of the people of Ireland?
    The price in Spain, Italy and France is on average 60c for a can in a supermarket.
    Yet there are no higher percentages of raving alcoholics in those countries.

    This is a country where we expect the government to solve everything for us. We want more and more of the nanny state and regulation.

    Personal responsibility isn't something we believe in as a nation.


  • #5360
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,698 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    landofthetree wrote: »
    This is a country where we expect the government to solve everything for us. We want more and more of the nanny state and regulation.

    Personal responsibility isn't something we believe in as a nation.

    I'm as much against MUP as the next guy, but this nonsense. MUP has nothing to do with Nanny Statism really, and regulations are generally a GOOD thing for the consumer as it stops organisations and businesses taking the piss.

    MUP on the other hand is just taking the piss.


  • #5361
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,698 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    I hope every single one of them fail, to be honest.

    Well, it's up to you to make that happen.

    Perhaps frequent a local that you know isn't a part of the Vinters Assoc. and avoid any of the larger meat market boozers.

    Frankly, for years pre-Covid I'd largely stopped drinking in town cos the price of the pint had become absurd (although that was mostly due to dickheads willing to pay over the odds for their craft beer shite).

    When Covid ends, I can't see myself changing that.


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  • #5362
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    minitrue wrote: »
    ml * 0.78924 g/ml * ABV * 0.1 €/g = € MUP

    500ml @ 4.3% = €1.70 (Bud I think)
    500ml @ 5% = €1.97 (Heineken I think)
    500ml @ 5.6% = €2.21 (my own favourite beer currently €2.09 in local supermarket)
    750ml @ 12% = €7.10 (wine on the weak side)
    750ml @ 15% = €8.88 (wine on the strong side)
    700ml @ 37.5% = €20.72 (minimum strength vodka e.g. Smirnoff)
    700ml @ 40% = €22.10 (spirits in general)


    That's assuming it doesn't go up in the budget.


  • #5363
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    landofthetree wrote: »
    This is a country where we expect the government to solve everything for us. We want more and more of the nanny state and regulation.

    Personal responsibility isn't something we believe in as a nation.

    They are solving a problem that is not even there.
    The problem is there are too many pubs in Ireland and the solution is to let them fail.
    Let market forces do it's thing.
    But no, that would be letting their buddies down. No, let them continue to bleed the public dry charging €5 or €6 for a pint and kill all competition elsewhere.


  • #5364
    thomas 123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Suckit wrote: »
    That's assuming it doesn't go up in the budget.


    And when Smirnoff sees tesco vodka at 20 euro surly they will slap an increase of their own on.


  • #5365
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Used to love my country and be very proud of it...that has all changed in the last 12 months...


  • #5366
    tjhook
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭tjhook


    Suckit wrote: »
    That's assuming it doesn't go up in the budget.

    I think the government will be clever with the budget. They can put a hefty increase onto duty, while claiming that it won't affect the cheaper drinks that would otherwise be under the MUP. It'll be nice and "progressive".

    Two birds, one stone.


  • #5367
    Garibaldi?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭Garibaldi?


    Make your own. All the kit is in Homebrew West.


  • #5368
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,749 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Frankly, for years pre-Covid I'd largely stopped drinking in town cos the price of the pint had become absurd (although that was mostly due to dickheads willing to pay over the odds for their craft beer shite).

    :rolleyes: stupid thing to say, how would craft beer push mainstream prices up?

    You could go to Wetherspoons and get a pint of craft ale cheaper than you'd get a watery pint of Guinness in a 'normal' pub - pretty likely they're not in the LVA either.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • #5369
    FileNotFound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    So we officially have MUP?

    Well thats a bit crap... Have to wonder how there was so little real opposition to this.

    Is what it is now.


  • #5370
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    :rolleyes: stupid thing to say, how would craft beer push mainstream prices up?
    Pint Bottle of Bulmers was 6.50 about 4 years ago the last time I brought it in Town (not city centre either).


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  • #5371
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    FileNotFound wrote: »
    So we officially have MUP?

    Well thats a bit crap... Have to wonder how there was so little real opposition to this.

    Is what it is now.


    Because the vintners have lobbied all parties hard and managed to spin this as a health issue when it is anything but.


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