Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

03-05-2021 08:34PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They can move to Timbuktu for all it matters.

So can all your anger,it won't change justice

FrancieBrady · 03-05-2021 08:35PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

So can all your anger,it won't change justice

No anger here ML. Just a limited supply of popcorn...wish they'd get on with it.

03-05-2021 08:45PM

Indeed,we agree on something here at least

atticu · 03-05-2021 08:46PM

McMurphy wrote: »

This "young buck" turned 40 last year, is university educated, a partner in a company in very specialised market, contracts with several large companies north and south of the border, in an industry that is pretty much recession proof.

Married to a similarly university educated professional, with her own successful career.

Father to four.

When will all this growing up, sense, and responsibilities start happening?

Would you have any proof of these claims?

McMurphy · 03-05-2021 08:52PM

atticu wrote: »

Would you have any proof of these claims?

Do I have proof to my qualifications, my role in the business, the work I do, how many children I fathered and am raising, and what my wife does

Yes. Of course I have.

It is not compulsory to post brain farts whenever you grace us with your presence atticu, you do realise that I assume?

Loafing Oaf · 03-05-2021 08:55PM

shatners bassoon wrote: »

In the scenario outlined above, the Gardai are bent or incompetent, take your pick.

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atticu · 03-05-2021 09:06PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Do I have proof to my qualifications, my role in the business, the work I do, how many children I fathered and am raising, and what my wife does

Yes. Of course I have.

It is not compulsory to post brain farts whenever you grace us with your presence atticu, you do realise that I assume?

Can you back up your claims.
Please do so with proof.

Other wise, to use your words:

I used to sell crystal blue water which I personally had sucked up using my own mouth and a straw from the southern Atlantic to nomads in the deserts of Yemen.

The wife used to work in Chivers shaving the hairs of gooseberries so they could make gooseberry jam.

skimpydoo · 03-05-2021 09:11PM

Shebean wrote: »

Shouldn't a minister under criminal investigation stand aside of be put on desk duty as they say in the Garda? Even the Conservatives in the U.K. would step aside or even resign pending any investigation.
It calls into question everything that minister has done and is doing. Especially in this case because we know he did it. Criminal act of not won't change that.

Boris hasn't stepped aside yet and I am of the opinion that he and Leo should step aside.

skimpydoo · 03-05-2021 09:13PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

Any Tom dick or paddy Cosgrave can lay a complaint and it must be investigated
The government are confident that it doesn't merit creating a precedent whereby running the country is disrupted
They have moved on
Fact

Funnily enough last November we were told there was nothing to see hear and that it would quickly blow over. Yet here we still are.

McMurphy · 03-05-2021 09:14PM

atticu wrote: »

Can you back up your claims.
Please do so with proof.

Other wise, to use your words:

You want me to post my business details and qualifications on a public internet messaging board?

Anything else?

Stool sample perhaps?

Jinglejangle69 · 03-05-2021 09:14PM

Suckit wrote: »

Forget what anyone else thinks. Forget those that don't like or agree with Leo, forget the other parties.
There is nothing to say no crime has been broken yet, the last I read was Leo is still under a criminal investigation and they are still interviewing people.
He should stand aside and let them do their job properly.
If he is innocent or guilty, he should stand aside, but I would expect somebody who is innocent to do it faster.

That's nonsense, absolute nonsense.

So someone should give up their career for an investigation that might end up showing they are innocent?

Would you give up something you worked for all your life if you were innocent?

Not a chance you would.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-05-2021 09:16PM

McMurphy wrote: »

It would seem Ireland has become an African tinpot dictatorship, no trials no courts, if the govt of the day believe one of their own didn't commit a crime, it's cool beans, they can move on, and everything's cool apparently.

(If I'm going to have to live in an African tinpot dictatorship, I at least expect better weather than what we had today FFS)

Meanwhile the Gardai continue to interview witnesses, and are actively preparing a file for the dpp to examine and decide whether or not a crime may have been committed.

It really doesn't seem like Ireland has become that at all.

Only in your head.

Meanwhile let's live in the real world.

FrancieBrady · 03-05-2021 09:21PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

That's nonsense, absolute nonsense.

So someone should give up their career for an investigation that might end up showing they are innocent?

Would you give up something you worked for all your life if you were innocent?

Not a chance you would.

Nobody is asking him to give up his career. Calm the horses.

McMurphy · 03-05-2021 09:22PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

It really doesn't seem like Ireland has become that at all.

Only in your head.

Meanwhile let's live in the real world.

Not my head jingle, I'm paraphrasing some of the posts you have "thanked", and just in case you're not familiar with sarcasm, the "real world" scenario we live in would be the part I mentioned how the Gardai are continuing to question witnesses, and are in the process of preparing the file that will be sent to the DPP, they will decide if a crime may have been committed.

It doesn't matter in the slightest if the "govt have moved on" because 'they've decided no crime was committed'

Such a decision is thankfully not in this govts hands. I'm surprised I had to clarify the satire in my post tbh.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-05-2021 09:24PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Not my head jingle, I'm paraphrasing some of the posts you have "thanked", and just in case you're not familiar with sarcasm, the "real world" scenario we live in would be the part I mentioned how the Gardai are continuing to question witnesses, and are in the process of preparing the file to the DPP.

It doesn't matter in the slightest if the "govt have moved on" because 'they've decided no crime was committed'

Such a decision is thankfully not in this govts hands. I'm surprised I had to clarify the satire in my post tbh.

Hilarious.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-05-2021 09:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody is asking him to give up his career. Calm the horses.

So what are you asking of him?

FrancieBrady · 03-05-2021 09:26PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So what are you asking of him?

I haven't asked him anything. But others want him to stand aside while the investigation proceeds.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-05-2021 09:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I haven't asked him anything. But others want him to stand aside while the investigation proceeds.

Stand aside.

What does that mean?

Beasty · 03-05-2021 09:32PM

atticu wrote: »

Would you have any proof of these claims?

You are entitled to make up your own mind on the veracity of such claims

Demanding proof from an anonymous internet poster is not acceptable though. Please take more care going forward

FrancieBrady · 03-05-2021 09:34PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Stand aside.

What does that mean?

Take a break.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-05-2021 09:38PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Take a break.

From the Cambridge dictionary.

Stand aside means:

-To leave a job or position so that someone else can have it instead:
-It's time he stood aside and let a more qualified person do the job.

-to step sideways to make a space for someone else:

But you're saying it's take a break Francie?

Do me a favour, Google stand aside.

Now back to my original point.

Some want him to give up his career for something he could be innocent of.

Hold your horses...

FrancieBrady · 03-05-2021 09:43PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

From the Cambridge dictionary.

-To leave a job or position so that someone else can have it instead:
-It's time he stood aside and let a more qualified person do the job.

-to step sideways to make a space for someone else:

But you're saying it's take a break Francie?

Do me a favour, Google stand aside.

Now back to my original point.

Some want him to give up his career for something he could be innocent of.

Hold your horses...

It is a temporary measure.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-05-2021 09:47PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is a temporary measure.

What's a temporary measure?

You said people are asking him to stand aside, which you now claim means take time off.

I've shown you that's not what stand aside means.

You have misrepresented what people here have meant when they said he should stand aside.

They want him to resigm for something he has not been found guilty of and could be innocent.

As I said nonsense, absolute nonsense.

FrancieBrady · 03-05-2021 09:49PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

What's a temporary measure?

You said people are asking him to stand aside, which you now claim means take time off.

I've shown you that's not what stand aside means.

You have misrepresented what people here have meant when they said he should stand aside.

They want him to resigm for something he has not been found guilty of and could be innocent.

As I said nonsense, absolute nonsense.

Here is an example. It's a temporary measure JJ.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-38527042

Beasty · 03-05-2021 09:51PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

What's a temporary measure?

You said people are asking him to stand aside, which you now claim means take time off.

I've shown you that's not what stand aside means.

You have misrepresented what people here have meant when they said he should stand aside.

They want him to resigm for something he has not been found guilty of and could be innocent.

As I said nonsense, absolute nonsense.

You can stand aside on a temporary basis, which is entirely in line with what Francie is saying

EDIT: a "permanent" measure is typically described as "stepping back" or "standing back"

blanch152 · 03-05-2021 10:00PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I haven't asked him anything. But others want him to stand aside while the investigation proceeds.

Who? Who wants him to stand aside?

McMurphy · 03-05-2021 10:00PM

Expected to step aside without prejudice would be the norm.

blanch152 · 03-05-2021 10:02PM

Suckit wrote: »

It isn't Paddy Cosgrave though, that leaked the documents. That is a real FG response, we see it all the time, blaming the people who called them out.
Leo is the person that leaked the documents and admitted it. Leo is under criminal investigation for leaking those documents.
Feel free to keep mentioning Paddy Cosgraves name because you think there is something clever in the way you do it (there really isn't. It's beyond stupid and sounds like a 5 year old is getting at your keyboard).
A TD under criminal investigation, who has nothing to worry about would stand aside to stop anything that might hinder the investigation.
Leo sitting in the seat of the Tanaiste means that some parts of the investigation will have to be undertaken in a very convoluted way to ensure there isn't any, or to prevent any, corruption.
There are other reasons he should step aside too.
So it really isn't about Paddy Cosgrave at all.
There are only a few Tom, Leo or Harry's that have the power to influence the investigation and disrupt the government (see, I can do it too *mindblown*), and Paddy Cosgrave isn't one of them.

Nobody has leaked any documents.

We are constantly reminded that people should be innocent until proven guilty, as far as is known, Varadkar legitimately shared a document.

McMurphy · 03-05-2021 10:05PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Nobody has leaked any documents.

.

Leo doesn't agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tABblTQ1xM

03-05-2021 10:06PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Expected to step aside without prejudice would be the norm.

Maybe for some sectors where there is evidence of a crime. This isn’t the case here. More a persons dissatisfaction with their government’s performance. A serious case of sour grapes.

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