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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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  • #9422
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Shebean wrote: »
    Shouldn't a minister under criminal investigation stand aside of be put on desk duty as they say in the Garda? Even the Conservatives in the U.K. would step aside or even resign pending any investigation.
    It calls into question everything that minister has done and is doing. Especially in this case because we know he did it. Criminal act of not won't change that.
    Evidently, Fine Gael is not a normal party. :) That might be a good Twitter hashtag (#notanormalparty). Wonder if anyone thought of it?

    Regards...jmcc


  • #9423
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Shebean wrote: »
    Shouldn't a minister under criminal investigation stand aside or be put on desk duty as they say in the Garda? Even the Conservatives in the U.K. would step aside or even resign pending any investigation.
    It calls into question everything that minister has done and is doing. Especially in this case because we know he did it. Criminal act of not won't change that.
    For so many reasons.


  • #9424
    [Deleted User]
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    Shebean wrote: »
    Shouldn't a minister under criminal investigation stand aside of be put on desk duty as they say in the Garda? Even the Conservatives in the U.K. would step aside or even resign pending any investigation.
    It calls into question everything that minister has done and is doing. Especially in this case because we know he did it. Criminal act of not won't change that.

    The government don't want to set a precedent where any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can disrupt the important business of the running of the country by setting in train processes like the one that's ongoing that they believe to have no basis


  • #9425
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    The government don't want to set a precedent where any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can disrupt the important business of the running of the country by setting in train processes like the one that's ongoing that they believe to have no basis

    If it had no basis weren't we loudly told the Gardai wouldn't have proceeded?


  • #9426
    [Deleted User]
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If it had no basis weren't we loudly told the Gardai wouldn't have proceeded?

    The gardai are doing a thorough investigation which is as it should be
    The government of course are confident that it doesn't merit creating a precedent whereby any Tom, dick or paddy cosgrave can instigate processes like it to disrupt the business of running the country
    That's also as it should be
    It's known as governing :)


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  • #9427
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    The gardai are doing a thorough investigation which is as it should be
    The government of course are confident that it doesn't merit creating a precedent whereby any Tom, dick or paddy cosgrave can instigate processes like it to disrupt the business of running the country
    That's also as it should be
    It's known as governing :)

    Thats just pro Leo nonsense tbh.

    If there was no substance then we wouldn't be here.
    The coalition circled the wagons and are hoping it goes no further.


  • #9428
    [Deleted User]
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Thats just pro Leo nonsense tbh.

    If there was no substance then we wouldn't be here.
    The coalition circled the wagons and are hoping it goes no further.

    Any Tom dick or paddy Cosgrave can lay a complaint and it must be investigated
    The government are confident that it doesn't merit creating a precedent whereby running the country is disrupted
    They have moved on
    Fact :)


  • #9429
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    Any Tom dick or paddy Cosgrave can lay a complaint and it must be investigated
    The government are confident that it doesn't merit creating a precedent whereby running the country is disrupted
    They have moved on
    Fact :)

    You are making it up as you go.


  • #9430
    [Deleted User]
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You are making it up as you go.

    Uncomfortable truth's for some it seems :)


  • #9431
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    Uncomfortable truth's for some it seems :)

    Reassuring yourself is not fact.

    We should be worried if a full criminal investigation is not worrying our government.


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  • #9432
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Reassuring yourself is not fact.

    We should be worried if a full criminal investigation is not worrying our government.

    It's not, because they have all the facts of the matter and are confident in their decision that processes like this that can be instigated by any Tom dick or paddy Cosgrave should not be allowed create a government disrupting precedent
    Ergo, they've moved on :)


  • #9433
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    It's not, because they have all the facts of the matter and are confident in their decision that processes like this that can be instigated by any Tom dick or paddy Cosgrave should not be allowed create a government disrupting precedent
    Ergo, they've moved on :)

    More sycophantic government defending tbh.

    There is a major crimminal investigation under two pieces of legislation ongoing.

    Stop handwaving it's embarassing.


  • #9434
    [Deleted User]
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    More sycophantic government defending tbh.

    There is a major crimminal investigation under two pieces of legislation ongoing.

    Stop handwaving it's embarassing.

    Ah, Handwaving, that thing you do in the wondrous thread regarding criminal associations in your party, except, it involves people charged with murder :)
    I think you're the last one to be going on about Handwaving now
    Here I've stuck to the known facts, that the government are confident that there's no crime and that they've moved on, letting the process that can be instigated by any Tom dick or Paddy cosgrave play out


  • #9435
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    Ah, Handwaving, that thing you do in the wondrous thread regarding criminal associations in your party, except, it involves people charged with murder :)
    I think you're the last one to be going on about Handwaving now
    Here I've stuck to the known facts, that the government are confident that there's no crime and that they've moved on, letting the process that can be instigated by any Tom dick or Paddy cosgrave play out

    And some more handwaving with a bit of look over there.
    Embarrassing.


  • #9436
    [Deleted User]
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    And some more handwaving with a bit of look over there.
    Embarrassing.

    Uncomfortable truths do taste better with a constitutional, I'd wager :)


  • #9437
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    Uncomfortable truths do taste better with a constitutional, I'd wager :)

    I'm sure you still be waffling about this when I get back. Might do an extra lap.


  • #9438
    [Deleted User]
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I'm sure you still be waffling about this when I get back. Might do an extra lap.

    Nope, fairly consistently just interested in the facts on this one :)


  • #9439
    shatners bassoon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭shatners bassoon


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    Nope, fairly consistently just interested in the facts on this one :)

    Garda source quoted in one paper who doesn't think charges will be brought: not a fact.

    Witness evidence "doubtlessly" backing up the government's position: not a fact.

    ML being weirdly obsessed with Paddy Cosgrove, Sinn Fein, dodgy catchphrases and passive-aggressive emoji use : Fact.

    It really is that simple :)


  • #9440
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    The government don't want to set a precedent where any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can disrupt the important business of the running of the country by setting in train processes like the one that's ongoing that they believe to have no basis
    It isn't Paddy Cosgrave though, that leaked the documents. That is a real FG response, we see it all the time, blaming the people who called them out.
    Leo is the person that leaked the documents and admitted it. Leo is under criminal investigation for leaking those documents.
    Feel free to keep mentioning Paddy Cosgraves name because you think there is something clever in the way you do it (there really isn't. It's beyond stupid and sounds like a 5 year old is getting at your keyboard).
    A TD under criminal investigation, who has nothing to worry about would stand aside to stop anything that might hinder the investigation.
    Leo sitting in the seat of the Tanaiste means that some parts of the investigation will have to be undertaken in a very convoluted way to ensure there isn't any, or to prevent any, corruption.
    There are other reasons he should step aside too.
    So it really isn't about Paddy Cosgrave at all.
    There are only a few Tom, Leo or Harry's that have the power to influence the investigation and disrupt the government (see, I can do it too *mindblown*), and Paddy Cosgrave isn't one of them.


  • #9441
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    Suckit wrote: »
    It isn't Paddy Cosgrave though, that leaked the documents. That is a real FG response, we see it all the time, blaming the people who called them out.
    Leo is the person that leaked the documents and admitted it. Leo is under criminal investigation for leaking those documents.
    Feel free to keep mentioning Paddy Cosgraves name because you think there is something clever in the way you do it (there really isn't. It's beyond stupid and sounds like a 5 year old is getting at your keyboard).
    A TD under criminal investigation, who has nothing to worry about would stand aside to stop anything that might hinder the investigation.
    Leo sitting in the seat of the Tanaiste means that some parts of the investigation will have to be undertaken in a very convoluted way to ensure there isn't any, or to prevent any, corruption.
    There are other reasons he should step aside too.
    So it really isn't about Paddy Cosgrave at all.
    There are only a few Tom, Leo or Harry's that have the power to influence the investigation and disrupt the government (see, I can do it too *mindblown*), and Paddy Cosgrave isn't one of them.

    All this is aspirational and only that
    No crime,no Time according to the most recent newspaper scoops from Garda sources
    The fact that anyone would be hoping that someone innocent should be sent down for non existent crimes should raise alarm bells about them,not the person they'd like to see go down


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  • #9442
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    All this is aspirational and only that
    No crime,no Time according to the most recent newspaper scoops from Garda sources
    The fact that anyone would be hoping that someone innocent should be sent down for non existent crimes should raise alarm bells about them,not the person they'd like to see go down

    SF and their supporters have thrown all their eggs into this basket.

    They are clinging onto it with their finger nails.


  • #9443
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    All this is aspirational and only that
    No crime,no Time according to the most recent newspaper scoops from Garda sources
    The fact that anyone would be hoping that someone innocent should be sent down for non existent crimes should raise alarm bells about them,not the person they'd like to see go down
    Forget what anyone else thinks. Forget those that don't like or agree with Leo, forget the other parties.
    There is nothing to say no crime has been broken yet, the last I read was Leo is still under a criminal investigation and they are still interviewing people.
    He should stand aside and let them do their job properly.
    If he is innocent or guilty, he should stand aside, but I would expect somebody who is innocent to do it faster.


  • #9444
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    SF and their supporters have thrown all their eggs into this basket.

    They are clinging onto it with their finger nails.

    Not really Jingles, the same ones saying 'nothing to see here's, were the same ones calling for Stanley to step down as chair prior to Christmas over a few tweets.
    It's just politics.


  • #9445
    [Deleted User]
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    Suckit wrote: »
    If he is innocent or guilty, he should stand aside, but I would expect somebody who is innocent to do it faster.

    The government who are in possession of the facts, have decided that this is not the stuff for precedent setting, opening the door for any Tom dick or Paddy Cosgrave to disrupt the business of running the country
    If anyone has a problem with that,they are free to vote for Sinn Féin or someone like that if its that important to them at the next election
    If Leo stood up in cabinet and shot one or two people,that would obviously be a different matter as a bullet wound and eye withnesses would be fairlly good reason to charge
    The document on the other hand ,the government will know is not protected under the OSA
    If it was you would have had your resignation long ago
    So insted all you have is nothing new,no Crime and the Gardaí rightfully doing a thorough job investigating a complaint that any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can instigate


  • #9446
    shatners bassoon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭shatners bassoon


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    The document on the other hand ,the government will know is not protected under the OSA
    If it was you would have had your resignation long ago
    So insted all you have is nothing new,no Crime and the Gardaí rightfully doing a thorough job investigating a complaint that any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can instigate

    Another post that's very light on facts.

    You cannot seriously be suggesting that the Gardai are 'rightfully' taking four or five months to arrive at a conclusion that everyone else has apparently known from the outset.

    If the document was so obviously not confidential as per the legislation, this would never have made it past the now infamous "not an investigation" stage.

    In the scenario outlined above, the Gardai are bent or incompetent, take your pick.


  • #9447
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    The government who are in possession of the facts,
    Not all of them.
    Marine Layer wrote: »
    have decided that this is not the stuff for precedent setting, opening the door for any Tom dick or Paddy Cosgrave to disrupt the business of running the country
    Again, the only people that can disrupt the government are the Tom, Leo or Harrys, by not standing aside or putting up obstacles etc.. This has nothing at all, whatsoever, in the slightest to do with Paddy Cosgrave. But I will say, it is very noticeable how much he seems to have shaken you whatever he has done.
    Marine Layer wrote: »
    If anyone has a problem with that,they are free to vote for Sinn Féin or someone like that if its that important to them at the next election
    Pretty sure that's what many did the last election as Leo guided FG to their worst results in over 70 years. Not sure that anyone needs you to tell them that though.
    Marine Layer wrote: »
    If Leo stood up in cabinet and shot one or two people,that would obviously be a different matter as a bullet wound and eye withnesses would be fairlly good reason to charge
    The document on the other hand ,the government will know is not protected under the OSA
    If it was you would have had your resignation long ago
    So insted all you have is nothing new,no Crime and the Gardaí rightfully doing a thorough job investigating a complaint that any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can instigate
    WTF is that waffle about? If somebody shot somebody.. bla bla.. :confused:
    So a crime is only a crime if there are eye witnesses and somebody is shot?
    But again.. Paddy Cosgrave is not to blame for this investigation. It is Leo.


  • #9448
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    The government who are in possession of the facts, have decided that this is not the stuff for precedent setting, opening the door for any Tom dick or Paddy Cosgrave to disrupt the business of running the country
    If anyone has a problem with that,they are free to vote for Sinn Féin or someone like that if its that important to them at the next election
    If Leo stood up in cabinet and shot one or two people,that would obviously be a different matter as a bullet wound and eye withnesses would be fairlly good reason to charge
    The document on the other hand ,the government will know is not protected under the OSA
    If it was you would have had your resignation long ago
    So insted all you have is nothing new,no Crime and the Gardaí rightfully doing a thorough job investigating a complaint that any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can instigate

    As I thought still at it.

    The government are not in control here. The Gardai and the DPP are.


  • #9449
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    As I thought still at it.

    The government are not in control here. The Gardai and the DPP are.

    The government are in control of the decision making around the document
    They know its status and always have
    Ergo they've moved on :)


  • #9450
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    The government are in control of the decision making around the document
    They know its status and always have
    Ergo they've moved on :)

    They can move to Timbuktu for all it matters. This is a Garda/DPP matter.


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  • #9451
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    It would seem Ireland has become an African tinpot dictatorship, no trials no courts, if the govt of the day believe one of their own didn't commit a crime, it's cool beans, they can move on, and everything's cool apparently.

    (If I'm going to have to live in an African tinpot dictatorship, I at least expect better weather than what we had today FFS)

    Meanwhile the Gardai continue to interview witnesses, and are actively preparing a file for the dpp to examine and decide whether or not a crime may have been committed.


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