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Lumen · 03-05-2021 06:23PM

Running in parallel is the only sane choice.

Not only does it prevent wasted vaccines, it's difficult to criticise because no one group is first.

This is how they've gotten away with the cohort 4/7 balls up, I think.

revelman · 03-05-2021 06:24PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Agreed. Keeping Vaccines in storage is daft. If not running Ages 40-49 in parallel, then give them to 50+.

Unless (and I’m trying to give them the benefit of the doubt here), they try to work through the over fifties over the next 3 weeks, accumulating at the same time enough Pfizer to open up the vaccine portal to everyone 30/35-50 towards the end of the month and hit the ground running with this group.

Russman · 03-05-2021 06:25PM

SJFly wrote: »

It would be great if the model outputs could be made public. If adhering strictly to the age based rollout saves lives and let's us open up quickly, go for it. Otherwise they need to have the balls to revise the plan and use the numbers to explain exactly why.

They’re scared sh1tless of the perception that the 50s are somehow being treated poorly, simple as imo.
If it’s true that there’s 400k AZ coming this month then that’s what they should give the 50s & 60s, for the simple reasons that the vaccine works and it can’t be given to the younger cohorts. Hardly rocket science.

Russman · 03-05-2021 06:29PM

How is it any different to the decision they made several weeks ago when it was decided that the 60-69 cohort would only be getting AZ in the MVCs ? Same principle surely ?

ixoy · 03-05-2021 06:31PM

revelman wrote: »

Unless (and I’m trying to give them the benefit of the doubt here), they try to work through the over fifties over the next 3 weeks, accumulating at the same time enough Pfizer to open up the vaccine portal to everyone 30/35-50 towards the end of the month and hit the ground running with this group.

I suspect that's their "plan". Burn through the AZ for the 50+ cohort. See how the J&J situation is looking. If it looks like J&J is going to arrive and the AZ deliveries seem solid, then open it up to 40+ in parallel at that point. If not given them the Moderna/Pfizer supplies and make others wait. They've been incredibly risk adverse so that's the "riskiest" thing they'll do.
The risks of course of delaying vaccinations elsewhere that we can see might be more palatable to the government than the perception of doing nothing / slowing down based on projections.

03-05-2021 06:34PM

Any word on 55-59 year olds being able to sign up to the website?

ACitizenErased · 03-05-2021 06:37PM

Not running them in parallel will delay the programme significantly imo.

Lumen · 03-05-2021 06:37PM

We need a nice spike in cases to focus minds.

timsey tiger · 03-05-2021 06:41PM

revelman wrote: »

“One possibility mooted is AstraZeneca being used for people over 50, while holding Pfizer vaccines in storage for those aged 40-49.”

I think there will be enough AZ this month for the bulk of over 50s but the idea that we should put Pfizer in storage seems like they are more worried about the optics of doing age groups in parallel.

Probabaly "mooted" by one RTE journo to another. There is no way something as moronic as this is being seriously considered by anybody with any authority.

ixoy · 03-05-2021 06:41PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not running them in parallel will delay the programme significantly imo.

Oh I agree but I only see this happening when they're happy there's a secure line of vaccines to do both groups at roughly equal speed.
I'd like to see the matter debated at the press conference but I don't think we'll see that level of discussion, depending on what's recommended.

SusanC10 · 03-05-2021 06:42PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Probabaly "mooted" by one RTE journo to another. There is no way something as moronic as this is being seriously considered by anybody with any authority.

You would hope.

SusanC10 · 03-05-2021 06:44PM

ixoy wrote: »

I suspect that's their "plan". Burn through the AZ for the 50+ cohort. See how the J&J situation is looking. If it looks like J&J is going to arrive and the AZ deliveries seem solid, then open it up to 40+ in parallel at that point. If not given them the Moderna/Pfizer supplies and make others wait. They've been incredibly risk adverse so that's the "riskiest" thing they'll do.
The risks of course of delaying vaccinations elsewhere that we can see might be more palatable to the government than the perception of doing nothing / slowing down based on projections.

The more I think about this, I suspect that you may be right.
But, leaving Vaccines sitting in storage for weeks is just wrong imo and it will cause significant delays to the overall Vaccine Programme.

eigrod · 03-05-2021 06:44PM

AdamD wrote: »

Any word on 55-59 year olds being able to sign up to the website?

59 year olds can register tomorrow

pc7 · 03-05-2021 06:47PM

eigrod wrote: »

59 year olds can register tomorrow

Be interesting to see can anyone in 50’s register tomorrow, was possible for over 60’s.

iamwhoiam · 03-05-2021 06:48PM

Are the whole of cohort 7 not getting Pfizer ? That’s a lot of Pfizer accounted for

revelman · 03-05-2021 06:50PM

pc7 wrote: »

Be interesting to see can anyone in 50’s register tomorrow, was possible for over 60’s.

I suspect yes and a small number will do it. The language they used at the time they first opened the portal was: “we are asking people aged 69 to register on the first day, people aged 68 on the second etc.

eigrod · 03-05-2021 06:52PM

pc7 wrote: »

Be interesting to see can anyone in 50’s register tomorrow, was possible for over 60’s.

I can’t understand why anyone other than 59 year olds would. Why would it be so difficult to wait one’s turn, a matter of a few days. Are some people that selfish?

pc7 · 03-05-2021 07:05PM

eigrod wrote: »

I can’t understand why anyone other than 59 year olds would. Why would it be so difficult to wait one’s turn, a matter of a few days. Are some people that selfish?

I doubt they’d get an appointment earlier, I’d say HSE only ask so the system doesn’t crash.
As for are people selfish? Considering the amount of office staff working from home, family members, board members who skipped the queue months back when
Vulnerable where still waiting I think we all know the answer to that one.

Strazdas · 03-05-2021 07:08PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I think it's been discussed plenty as to why not all four vaccines and the impact of such, you've been involved in the debates here.

It means your left with a large number of 1 dose jabs that effectively can't be used here and for every 1 that can't be used you need 2 to replace it.

So it has a big impact. Fly though one group and delay all the others by weeks.

But we don't know what the situation will be re. J & J in June. Nothing is set in stone : advice on AZ has already changed several times this year and it was first only distributed in February.

revelman · 03-05-2021 07:08PM

eigrod wrote: »

I can’t understand why anyone other than 59 year olds would. Why would it be so difficult to wait one’s turn, a matter of a few days. Are some people that selfish?

Personally, I wouldn’t be that critical of those people. It will only be a small number and I’m actually delighted to see people who have no problem in signing up for AZ, especially given all the misinformation about it. There have been far more egregious examples of queue skipping in recent months.

Lumen · 03-05-2021 07:24PM

eigrod wrote: »

I can’t understand why anyone other than 59 year olds would. Why would it be so difficult to wait one’s turn, a matter of a few days. Are some people that selfish?

It's only registration. The HSE still decide who gets appointments and in which order, right?

They could let everyone in the country register and it wouldn't bias the rollout.

Happydays2020 · 03-05-2021 07:24PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

The more I think about this, I suspect that you may be right.
But, leaving Vaccines sitting in storage for weeks is just wrong imo and it will cause significant delays to the overall Vaccine Programme.

The optics could be managed by initially going with 45 to 59. Open the portal on a descending daily basis. Not quite concurrently but there would be momentum. Then open up 40 to 44, 35 to 39, 30 to 34 etc.. I think people seeing a pipeline and getting vaccinated within 5 - 10 days of registration would manage expectations.

iamwhoiam · 03-05-2021 07:26PM

Lumen wrote: »

It's only registration. The HSE still decide who gets appointments and in which order, right?

They could let everyone in the country register and it wouldn't bias the rollout.

The reason they ask you to register according to age is to avoid the site crashing in first few hours

stephenjmcd · 03-05-2021 07:26PM

Strazdas wrote: »

But we don't know what the situation will be re. J & J in June. Nothing is set in stone : advice on AZ has already changed several times this year and it was first only distributed in February.

It's not a cross that bridge when we come to it situation. You plan now

SusanC10 · 03-05-2021 07:26PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The optics could be managed by initially going with 45 to 59. Open the portal on a descending daily basis. Not quite concurrently but there would be momentum. Then open up 40 to 44, 35 to 39, 30 to 34 etc.. I think people seeing a pipeline and getting vaccinated within 5 - 10 days of registration would manage expectations.

Not the worst idea at all.

CrowdedHouse · 03-05-2021 07:29PM

https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1389278582220812290?s=20

eigrod · 03-05-2021 07:35PM

Next Monday for me to register then. Nice to see it laid out.

revelman · 03-05-2021 07:38PM

A couple of hundred thousand unused vaccines(60% Pfizer) dumped in recent months by US pharmacies: https://khn.org/news/article/cvs-and-walgreens-have-wasted-more-vaccine-doses-than-most-states-combined/

GPs throwing away unused AZ vials in France: https://www.politico.eu/article/france-coronavirus-vaccine-glut/

There must be better solutions out there!

SusanC10 · 03-05-2021 07:45PM

revelman wrote: »

A couple of hundred thousand unused vaccines(60% Pfizer) dumped in recent months by US pharmacies: https://khn.org/news/article/cvs-and-walgreens-have-wasted-more-vaccine-doses-than-most-states-combined/

GPs throwing away unused AZ vials in France: https://www.politico.eu/article/france-coronavirus-vaccine-glut/

There must be better solutions out there!

Read about the US today - totally ridiculous tbh

Cork2021 · 03-05-2021 07:54PM

Anyone think there will be 7-10 day gap between age cohorts?
Ie last Tuesday was 60 years tomorrow 59 year olds.. so let’s say the 20th May for 40-49 and say the 5th of June then for the 30-39? My hunch anyway

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