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German police close gigantic child porn site

  • 03-05-2021 2:52pm
    #1
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,810 CMod ✭✭✭✭


    "The Boystown platform, which had a membership of more than 400,000 international subscribers and was active for almost two years, was accessible only via the darknet, a component of the wider internet for which special software is needed. It was used for the swapping and sharing of images and films, mainly of boys, according to investigators from Germany’s federal investigative police force (BKA)."

    Any technical people out there know if it's possible to get real IP addresses from this subscriber dataset? They must be tied to a purchase somewhere along the line? Asking for an overworked friend.

    Source


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  • #2
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,042 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I assume everything was done through Tor and any transactions were done through crypto so I don’t imagine you’ll have much luck finding answers through social media


  • #3
    Shield
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 9,810 CMod ✭✭✭✭Shield


    Overheal wrote: »
    I assume everything was done through Tor and any transactions were done through crypto so I don’t imagine you’ll have much luck finding answers through social media
    There's some tech savvy people on here who might know if they ever see this. It's a longshot but nothing ventured etc.


  • #4
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    A fourth man arrested, a 64-year-old from Hamburg, is believed to have been one of the most active members of the site, posting more than 3,500 times.

    So yes they can go after users of the site, people are careless and leave evidence behind especially when they think they are invulnerable to tracking.
    However it's very time consuming to track them down. If the police go after more users it will be just some of the more active ones who posted thousands of images.


  • #5
    giles lynchwood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭giles lynchwood


    There is a street in pattaya thailand called boystown.Having lived in land of smiles for 4 years i learned
    two things from the reading english language paper's there.
    1(Germans and English perverts prefer little boys.
    2) American pervert's go for little girl's


  • #6
    EddieN75
    Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭EddieN75


    Shield wrote: »
    "The Boystown platform, which had a membership of more than 400,000 international subscribers and was active for almost two years, was accessible only via the darknet, a component of the wider internet for which special software is needed. It was used for the swapping and sharing of images and films, mainly of boys, according to investigators from Germany’s federal investigative police force (BKA)."

    Any technical people out there know if it's possible to get real IP addresses from this subscriber dataset? They must be tied to a purchase somewhere along the line? Asking for an overworked friend.

    Source

    Using tor and tails it's unlikely to catch anyone
    If using bitcoin then there might be a trail but like another poster stated it would be too much work for the reward. Man hours etc.

    You can still browse the dark net without any of the ad ons or anonymity so if some users got lazy it's a possibility. Doubtful though


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  • #7
    sReq | uTeK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,017 ✭✭✭sReq | uTeK


    Shield wrote: »
    "The Boystown platform, which had a membership of more than 400,000 international subscribers and was active for almost two years, was accessible only via the darknet, a component of the wider internet for which special software is needed. It was used for the swapping and sharing of images and films, mainly of boys, according to investigators from Germany’s federal investigative police force (BKA)."

    Any technical people out there know if it's possible to get real IP addresses from this subscriber dataset? They must be tied to a purchase somewhere along the line? Asking for an overworked friend.

    Source

    I hoped you use Thor..

    The WWW is the tip of the iceberg, the data residing on the darkweb is what you see under the water. If they semi competent browsing and uploading or buying their fine. If they post content that reveals their identity its careless.


  • #8
    Fake Scores
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Fake Scores


    Being into 'Gigantic Children' is a very specific and weird perversion.


  • #9
    EddieN75
    Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭EddieN75


    Das Reich wrote: »
    I would do that job for free.

    Throw in politicians who back track on election promises after getting elected and I will give you a hand.


  • #10
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,344 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    EddieN75 wrote: »
    Throw in politicians who back track on election promises after getting elected and I will give you a hand.

    That would leave us in a world with no politicians


  • #11
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,344 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Overheal wrote: »
    For just having the disorder,

    Or for looking at the porn,

    Or for distributing the porn,

    Or for producing photos,

    Or for engaging in sex acts?

    We might revile them but there are still civil rights you know. Suspend those for some may jeopardize them for all.

    You can't charge someone for having certain thoughts.
    I'm sure there's plenty of men who have fantasized about killing the mother-in-law, and some who might do it, given the opportunity. It's not illegal to have thoughts.


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  • #12
    EddieN75
    Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭EddieN75


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    That would leave us in a world with no politicians

    Or a world without lying ones


  • #13
    JustAThought
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    Overheal wrote: »
    For just having the disorder,

    Or for looking at the porn,

    Or for distributing the porn,

    Or for producing photos,

    Or for engaging in sex acts?

    .

    There are no victimless crimes in the rape and sexual mutilation of a baby, or toddler, or little child.

    Darina Allens husband - a convicted paedophile - was allowed plead guilty to just ONE case of the 40,000 images of depraved acts on children. MNy of these children were trafficed or kidnapped or missing and were never recovered.

    He was allowed make this plea in Irish courts and given a 9 month sentence which was then changed to NO jail time but a cushy 240 hours community service. Their Ballymaloe cookery school and guesthouse website pre covid still showed family rooms to rent in their guesthouse with teddybears for children on the beds and a playground outside the front door.. She NEVER stood up against him and RTE, and the Examiner still promote her & her products and disgustingly they have/had become entwined with a schools programme - giving access to classrooms and children all around the country. You couldn’t make it up.

    Extermination like rabid rats is too good for them. - all of them. Taking the photos, paying to see them, kidnapping or tricking and abusing the children, doing the website that enables it, being the finamcier or accountant - all of them. Make it a consequence so ****ing frightening that they will never be involved. Assets seized, proceeds or suspected proceeds of crime - every ****ing one of them and their wives and children.

    Every time I see that Ballymaloe relish I feel sick.


  • #14
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Overheal wrote: »
    For just having the disorder,

    Or for looking at the porn,

    Or for distributing the porn,

    Or for producing photos,

    Or for engaging in sex acts?

    We might revile them but there are still civil rights you know. Suspend those for some may jeopardize them for all.

    It's not porn. It's child abuse images.

    Thread title should be changed too. Calling it "child porn" is minimizing what it is and is actually offensive


  • #15
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There are more than you think.

    Now, Ill keep things vague.

    Many moons ago, in my office, I had to work quite hard to get a good rating.

    My other colleague had it cushy and better pay another higher plush department, not his own office like the top brass, but everything else bar that.

    5 years after I left that place of work saw his mugshot in evening herald after conviction for multiple child porn images

    How the mighty had fallen, and never to return.


  • #16
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Overheal wrote: »
    For just having the disorder,

    Or for looking at the porn,

    Or for distributing the porn,

    Or for producing photos,

    Or for engaging in sex acts?

    We might revile them but there are still civil rights you know. Suspend those for some may jeopardize them for all.

    seriously - you need to have a word with yourself


  • #17
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The numbers in these rings are always staggering. We all know these beasts. It is too ugly to get one's head around it.


  • #18
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Well done for finding these criminals. Hopefully there will be many convictions coming from this.


  • #19
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,042 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    It's not porn. It's child abuse images.

    Thread title should be changed too. Calling it "child porn" is minimizing what it is and is actually offensive

    Agree in principle, may still use the shorthand.


  • #20
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,042 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    lawred2 wrote: »
    seriously - you need to have a word with yourself

    About?


  • #21
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,882 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    overheal about to dig a gigantic hole


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  • #22
    Jequ0n
    Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I read overheals post simply as a reminder to leave the pitchforks at home and let this be investigated properly?

    I find it’s very difficult to follow a debate on any crimes against children because so many people freak out and immediately want to lynch any suspects. Not that anyone on thread acted that way yet


  • #23
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,042 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Suddenly child porn is the wrong thing to call it yet all the relevant international and national laws refer to it commonly as child pornography. eg. https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-child-pornography


  • #24
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,042 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Jequ0n wrote: »
    I read overheals post simply as a reminder to leave the pitchforks at home and let this be investigated properly?

    That's my take yes. Very easy for rabblerousers to scream for executions and castrations but I ask seriously for what. If someone sexually assaults a minor, absolutely make your case, trying to execute those that have more meagerly just the whatever you call it, mis-wiring, mental illness, whatever, is taking it to genocidal extremes so I wondered where the line was they crossed into being executed by the mob.


  • #25
    Yakov P. Golyadkin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Yakov P. Golyadkin


    Overheal wrote: »
    Suddenly child porn is the wrong thing to call it yet all the relevant international and national laws refer to it commonly as child pornography. eg. https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-child-pornography

    The lads have to do their little bit of 'virtue signalling'.
    Screenshot_20240807-232322.png



  • #26
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    It's not porn. It's child abuse images.

    Thread title should be changed too. Calling it "child porn" is minimizing what it is and is actually offensive

    You are 100% correct but to be fair to that poster and any others calling it "porn" or "pornography" it's also how the mainstream media report these stories by and large. Both RTE and the Irish Times both using that term today in reference to this story for example.

    I knew someone who worked in the area and she was blue in the face from trying to get people to use "child abuse imagery" as a descriptive rather than CP.


  • #27
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,042 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »
    The lads have to do their little bit of 'virtue signalling'.

    Long before CA when this sort of thing belonged in AH you had to be the first in with the castration remark or you wouldn't get the dozens of thanks shoveled on.


  • #28
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,042 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SeaFields wrote: »
    You are 100% correct but to be fair to that poster and any others calling it "porn" or "pornography" it's also how the mainstream media report these stories by and large. Both RTE and the Irish Times both using that term today in reference to this story for example.

    I knew someone who worked in the area and she was blue in the face from trying to get people to use "child abuse imagery" as a descriptive rather than CP.

    'child porn'

    'child a*buse im*a*gery'

    I can see why the media, social media included, sticks with the former.


  • #29
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Overheal wrote: »
    I assume everything was done through Tor and any transactions were done through crypto so I don’t imagine you’ll have much luck finding answers through social media

    All that stuff is traceable.


  • #30
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,042 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Edz87 wrote: »
    All that stuff is traceable.

    Let's hope then.


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  • #31
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,419 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Overheal wrote: »
    Suddenly child porn is the wrong thing to call it yet all the relevant international and national laws refer to it commonly as child pornography. eg. https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-child-pornography

    The illegality and morality surrounding Child Pornography has been well documented for decades at this point.

    Anybody taking the effort to seek out this type of material knows full well what they are doing and how the images they are viewing are created. This isn't a new phenomenon and there are literally no excuses that can be leveraged in defence of engaging in such behaviour.

    Glazers Out!



  • #32
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,419 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Overheal wrote: »
    Long before CA when this sort of thing belonged in AH you had to be the first in with the castration remark or you wouldn't get the dozens of thanks shoveled on.

    Yeah the real problem relating to child abuse has always been people calling for paedophiles to be castrated online receiving validation from their peers.

    Glazers Out!



  • #33
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,042 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Boystown may want to consider rebranding: https://www.boystown.org/Pages/default.aspx
    ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​About Boys Town
    While ministering to the ​homeless on the streets of Omaha, Nebraska, Father Edward Joseph Flanagan developed a lifelong interest in young people and their struggle to grow into responsible, productive members of society. Today, with your help, we continue Father Flanagan's mission of saving children and healing families.

    Our Mission Statement
    Changing the way America cares for children and families.


  • #34
    Jequ0n
    Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    LarryBird wrote: »
    I read an article online some years ago from Dutch police experts in this area that 6% of all males in Europe had regularly viewed pedo material online and more worryingly over 20% had viewed it at some stage.

    As a father of 2 young kids at the time I found that frightening, I still do actually.

    Actually...I should probably comment on this. When I was 16 or so I went to download some random porn and nudes via a popular torrent service at the time. Keyword search had been “teen” which I still believe to be one of the most popular search terms.

    One of the hits was a nude that was at least 6 years off being a teen. I’ll spare you the details. I deleted it and realised that day that file names and descriptions have different meanings in different circles.In no way had I been looking for pictures of naked children but in statistics

    I might be one of your 20% group there and I won’t be the only one that this happened to


  • #35
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Jequ0n wrote: »
    Actually...I should probably comment on this. When I was 16 or so I went to download some random porn and nudes via a popular torrent service at the time. Keyword search had been “teen” which I still believe to be one of the most popular search terms.

    One of the hits was a nude that was at least 6 years off being a teen. I’ll spare you the details. I deleted it and realised that day that file names and descriptions have different meanings in different circles.In no way had I been looking for pictures of naked children but in statistics

    I might be one of your 20% group there and I won’t be the only one that this happened to

    TEEN is one of the most popular search terms on legal porn sites.

    That's quite scary when you think about it.


  • #36
    Jequ0n
    Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    TEEN is one of the most popular search terms on legal porn sites.

    That's quite scary when you think about it.

    It wasn’t a legal site but it really was a long time ago. Had I been so inclined I probably could have found more stuff via the uploaders library. Different era now


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  • #37
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,042 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    TEEN is one of the most popular search terms on legal porn sites.

    That's quite scary when you think about it.

    Matt Gaetz knows all about it :)


  • #38
    Stihl waters
    Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Stihl waters


    400000 men worldwide on one site, makes you wonder just how many paedos there are in the world if a site like that can get that big


  • #39
    EddieN75
    Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭EddieN75


    Edz87 wrote: »
    All that stuff is traceable.

    Tor and Tails is not traceable


  • #40
    Tren.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭Tren.


    400,000

    Am I right to be shocked at this number?


  • #41
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,669 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Anyone looking at that filth should be locked up and forgotten about, there ia a real victim behind every image and video.


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  • #42
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,720 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Doubt they'll get them with the IP. Good chance of getting them with crypto exchange.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #43
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Overheal wrote: »
    Suddenly child porn is the wrong thing to call it yet all the relevant international and national laws refer to it commonly as child pornography. eg. https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-child-pornography

    Its not suddenly, people have been saying it for years, including those in law enforcement, such as interpol below. Hopefully this starts to change soon but I won't hold my breath

    https://www.interpol.int/en/Crimes/Crimes-against-children/Appropriate-terminology


  • #44
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,720 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Tren. wrote: »
    400,000

    Am I right to be shocked at this number?

    Yeah, it's staggering alright. That's just One site. **** knows how many are out there.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #45
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Yeah, it's staggering alright. That's just One site. **** nows how many are out there.

    More than the authorities can deal with, I'd imagine.


  • #46
    touts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    Tren. wrote: »
    400,000

    Am I right to be shocked at this number?

    Shocking.

    But the one upside of there being 400,000 of the evil bastards being on the site is hopefully a substantial number of those identified will live in countries where they will be slowly castrated by a bag of hungry rats before getting a bullet in the head live on TV rather than the "poor you would you like another therapy session" punishment they will get here.


  • #47
    Dr Devious
    Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭Dr Devious


    JustAThought wrote: »
    There are no victimless crimes in the rape and sexual mutilation of a baby, or toddler, or little child.

    Darina Allens husband - a convicted paedophile - was allowed plead guilty to just ONE case of the 40,000 images of depraved acts on children. MNy of these children were trafficed or kidnapped or missing and were never recovered.

    He was allowed make this plea in Irish courts and given a 9 month sentence which was then changed to NO jail time but a cushy 240 hours community service. Their Ballymaloe cookery school and guesthouse website pre covid still showed family rooms to rent in their guesthouse with teddybears for children on the beds and a playground outside the front door.. She NEVER stood up against him and RTE, and the Examiner still promote her & her products and disgustingly they have/had become entwined with a schools programme - giving access to classrooms and children all around the country. You couldn’t make it up.

    Extermination like rabid rats is too good for them. - all of them. Taking the photos, paying to see them, kidnapping or tricking and abusing the children, doing the website that enables it, being the finamcier or accountant - all of them. Make it a consequence so ****ing frightening that they will never be involved. Assets seized, proceeds or suspected proceeds of crime - every ****ing one of them and their wives and children.

    Every time I see that Ballymaloe relish I feel sick.

    Based on your logic, any convicted perverts wife/husband/sister/brother/cousin/whatever should be ostracised and vilified to the end of time just because they’re related to them but otherwise ENTIRELY innocent of the crime. Darina Allen did nothing wrong so it’s hardly right to vilify her and Ballymaloe etc for one persons crime.


  • #48
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,042 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Dr Devious wrote: »
    Based on your logic, any convicted perverts wife/husband/sister/brother/cousin/whatever should be ostracised and vilified to the end of time just because they’re related to them but otherwise ENTIRELY innocent of the crime. Darina Allen did nothing wrong so it’s hardly right to vilify her and Ballymaloe etc for one persons crime.

    Not just vilified, but "extermination like rabid rats"

    Civil rights or presumption of innocence be damned.


  • #49
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,042 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    JustAThought wrote: »
    Darina Allens husband - a convicted paedophile - was allowed plead guilty to just ONE case of the 40,000 images of depraved acts on children. MNy of these children were trafficed or kidnapped or missing and were never recovered.

    You seem to be implying that by pleading guilty that's the reason they were missing and never recovered? From what I gather Tim Allen (every joke already, surely), wasn't prosecuted for human trafficking yet you seem to imply that he was involved in the kidnapping and hiding or that a more harsh retributive sentence may have somehow resulted, by some direct logic, in the recovery of some of those children?
    He was allowed make this plea in Irish courts and given a 9 month sentence which was then changed to NO jail time but a cushy 240 hours community service.

    Forgetting that he agreed to pay 40k euro to a charity that would, in fact, work to combat human trafficking. And, the state would forego the costs of jailing a person whom was already contrite and restitutive, and whom can never lead a normal life again subject to your sex offender registry and his inescapable reputation.
    Their Ballymaloe cookery school and guesthouse website pre covid still showed family rooms to rent in their guesthouse with teddybears for children on the beds and a playground outside the front door.. She NEVER stood up against him and RTE, and the Examiner still promote her & her products and disgustingly they have/had become entwined with a schools programme - giving access to classrooms and children all around the country. You couldn’t make it up.

    That doesn't match the record:
    The family, worried about the financial fall-out after Mr Allen’s conviction for possession of child pornography on Thursday, issued a joint statement stating his future involvement with Ballymaloe would “not be in the best interests of the business”.

    Mr Allen, who was fined €40,000 and ordered to do 240 hours of community service after he downloaded images of children engaged in sexual acts, also apologised for what he had done. The statement followed a family meeting yesterday about the future of the business, which was hit over the weekend. A spokesman for the family said a number of gift vouchers and cookery course bookings (a 12-week course costs up to €7,650) had been cancelled and dinner bookings at Ballymaloe House Hotel had also been affected.

    “There were a number of callers who said they would never again dine at Ballymaloe,” the spokesman said. However, the family said it had arrived at its decision to distance Tim from its business interests out of “a deep concern and sense of shame” at the notion that his conviction was in any way viewed by them as a trivial matter.

    The statement added: “They [the family] wish to make known their absolute abhorrence of child pornography in any form and express their deepest regret at the hurt that has been caused to so many people by the perception that this might not be the case.”

    The family said it was acutely conscious the values for which Ballymaloe has been seen to stand appeared to have been damaged by the scandal: “For the avoidance of doubt, the family cling to these values and will seek to continue to promote them.”

    Mr Allen apologised publicly for the first time for the pain he had caused, saying: “What I did was wrong, I am deeply sorry and I will live with the shame of it for the rest of my life. I greatly appreciate the loving support of my wife and family and I apologise unreservedly for what I did.”

    Mrs Allen thanked staff, customers and friends for their support over the past few days. The statement said the family recognised that Tim’s continued involvement in the family business would not serve the hundreds of jobs dependent on it. A spokesman for the Allens said last night that, contrary to some media reports, Tim Allen had not left Ballymaloe after the statement was formulated.

    Meanwhile, as controversy over the leniency of Allen’s sentence continued to rage, Tánaiste Mary Harney confirmed that the Government is to change the law to allow the Director of Public Prosecutions to appeal against what it regards as lenient sentences imposed in the District Courts.

    Ms Harney said the Government had promised to do this in the Programme for Government, and was not taking this action as a result of the conviction of the chef.

    There is still public support for Darina Allen and family. On Saturday, large numbers visited the farmers’ market in Midleton, which Darina Allen helped to set up a few years ago. A Ballymaloe spokesperson said she was warmly received and some people had given her flowers.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-10073776.html

    Which hopefully illustrates how the business managed to continue, with customer support.


  • #50
    KeepItLight
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭KeepItLight


    Overheal wrote: »
    Not just vilified, but "extermination like rabid rats"

    Civil rights or presumption of innocence be damned.

    this is the worst possible thing to have a 'right on' opinion on. anyone who is trying to defend 'civil rights' of kiddy fiddlers is seriously suspect. due process or not


  • #51
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,419 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    KeepItLight wrote: »
    this is the worst possible thing to have a 'right on' opinion on. anyone who is trying to defend 'civil rights' of kiddy fiddlers is seriously suspect. due process or not

    The "Paedophilia" and "Civil rights" Venn diagram for most people has no intersecting points, for others however...

    Glazers Out!



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