Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Beanybabog · 28-04-2021 10:40PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Yet they are only doing just over 6000/day of 60-69 year old and there are over 400,000 of these. So you would be expecting them to be vaccinating these for another 4 or 5 weeks. So your experience above suggests that they are not taking people by age within this group.

They mustn’t be- one person only just turned 60

PhoenixParker · 28-04-2021 10:42PM

nibtrix wrote: »

What? So those days where there were over 40k shots last week we’re still mostly cohort 3 & 4 in GPs? Doesn’t seem right

Because it's not. They've done 63k shots in cohort 5 up to Monday, with 10k on Monday alone. They only started last Tuesday.

Goldengirl · 28-04-2021 10:47PM

titan18 wrote: »

If you're on cohort 7, is it worth getting on to your GP (as some seem to be getting it in that cohort) or just sit and wait?

No don't wait . Ring your GP . They are getting fortnightly supplies atm to do group 7s and older patients , so they will need to know who is still waiting .
We were in the same position with my husband who has two conditions , one treated in hospital, one treated by GP .
He would be group 7 but didn't want to ring anyone " They'll contact me " !

Turned out his hospital were only doing group 4 , fair enough , so we rang the GP ,and we got a call a few days later with an appointment for when they were doing all their vaccinations . He's had first dose Pfizer done now , thankfully.
But the GP thought he was being done by the hospital until we told them different.

28-04-2021 11:05PM

Currently half a million vaccines in this country unused at the moment. It has to be expected that we hit a huge number this week. The 7 day average of 28,000 should be doubled this week. Around 250,000 people have registered for a vaccine in their 60s alone so that should be low hanging fruit.

Charles Babbage · 28-04-2021 11:06PM

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Because it's not. They've done 63k shots in cohort 5 up to Monday, with 10k on Monday alone. They only started last Tuesday.

I have amended my post,but even at 60000 a week it would take 6 weeks to do the 60 year olds, assuming that 360,000 of the approximate 420,000 are done in this way. Perhaps there are more of them who are being done by doctors as cohorts 4 and 7.

Gile_na_gile · 28-04-2021 11:07PM

hmmm wrote: »

Derek Lowe is not happy. How often has the word "bull****" appeared in Science magazine?
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/04/28/russian-vaccine-behavior

Jesus, that is a weird turn of events. I did argue they should file for EMA regulatory approval, but it just goes to show...... WTF Russiya?

lucernarian · 28-04-2021 11:13PM

Hardyn wrote: »

Afraid not.

https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1387397186372005893?s=20

Is that the same Angela Rasmussen who posted whataboutery regarding the origins of the virus and managed to get it published in Nature? My reading of the Brazilian decision kinda matches their take on it (the vector is potentially able to replicate, but I keep a wide berth of the authors of that paper I mentioned.

I need to dig into the Lancet paper that showed sputnikV efficacy a bit more.

Goldengirl · 28-04-2021 11:21PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

I have amended my post,but even at 60000 a week it would take 6 weeks to do the 60 year olds, assuming that 360,000 of the approximate 420,000 are done in this way. Perhaps there are more of them who are being done by doctors as cohorts 4 and 7.

Group 4 being done by hospitals if treating those patients , or by GPs .
Also group 7 going along concurrently.
Not just vaccinations in MVCs which are doing 60 to69 year olds .

This is what will happen with the younger age groups too , I would think .
J& J will be happily taken by a lot of people in the 50 to 59 group now who will be getting to socialise and meet indoors , travel much faster than otherwise .
The 40 to 49s will be concurrently vaxxed with mRNA .
Won't be much J& J left over after the 50 + and older vulnerable populations done .

It is looking good.

ShineOn7 · 28-04-2021 11:21PM

Leo Varadkar has been administering vaccines at a Dublin mass vaccination centre

https://www.thejournal.ie/leo-vaccine-centre-covid-5422937-Apr2021/

And fair fecks to him

A lot of it for PR? Sure. He's a master at it

But some of it because he's 10 times the leader Martin is? Definitely

Goldengirl · 28-04-2021 11:26PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/leo-vaccine-centre-covid-5422937-Apr2021/

And fair fecks to him

A lot of it for PR? Sure. He's a master at it

But some of it because he's 10 times the leader Martin is? Definitely

Haha, mainly PR , in every sense of it , and other hcws would know what I mean by that

Imagine trying to get on with your work and keep an eye on that loolaa too !

Skygord · 29-04-2021 12:29AM

When we are talking about supplies in June, don't forget we should be expecting Curevac approved in mid-late May, and deliveries soon after.

Strazdas · 29-04-2021 12:41AM

Skygord wrote: »

When we are talking about supplies in June, don't forget we should be expecting Curevac approved in mid-late May, and deliveries soon after.

If that came through, it would change the whole dynamic of the vaccine rollout yet again (and it's an mRNA too).

Charles Babbage · 29-04-2021 12:43AM

Skygord wrote: »

When we are talking about supplies in June, don't forget we should be expecting Curevac approved in mid-late May, and deliveries soon after.

Curevac will speed things up, but can be given to everyone so doesn't require any particular pattern of allocation. Let's hope it is available in useful quantities to know a couple of weeks off the process.

Strazdas · 29-04-2021 12:56AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Curevac will speed things up, but can be given to everyone so doesn't require any particular pattern of allocation. Let's hope it is available in useful quantities to know a couple of weeks off the process.

Could Curevac be given as a second 'Pfizer' dose? That would really speed up full vaccinations during the summer.

Danzy · 29-04-2021 01:03AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/leo-vaccine-centre-covid-5422937-Apr2021/

And fair fecks to him

A lot of it for PR? Sure. He's a master at it

But some of it because he's 10 times the leader Martin is? Definitely

He really stepped up in the early days but he too often reverts to a childish approach.

He is 20 times the leader Martin is.

Qrt · 29-04-2021 01:27AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Curevac will speed things up, but can be given to everyone

...for now :pac:

RavenBea17b · 29-04-2021 03:10AM

This is such good news.

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

PhilOssophy · 29-04-2021 08:48AM

Strazdas wrote: »

Perhaps the HSE secretly think that J & J may well come back into play for the under 50s in June. A lot of the talk that we will be left with hundreds of thousands of unusable J & J doses in June is mere media / Twitter speculation and is not coming from the people actually running the programme.

I hope that is the case.

snotboogie wrote: »

The issue is the government going against NIAC advise, not vaccine hesitancy for J&J and AZ. If they plough on, as is suggested, they will either have to ignore NIAC advice, which I don't see happening, or face vaccine shortages when we get to the under 50's rollout.

Unless the govt know something we don't, this is an extremely short sighted decision that will leave us snookered come June.

Yeah I think the over 50s are probably more hesitant than the younger age groups will be. But then, NIAC will have to come back in a month and say "yeah remember that over 50s advice, ignore that now it is grand for everyone" - which is exactly what they should have been advising this week in the first place.

Most of us work in organisations where if we gave the answer NIAC gave for a yes/no decision, we'd be asked "is the fng thing safe for under 50s or not, and if not, what data are you basing this on"? The govt were never going to overrule NIAC, but NPHET really should have challenged them on it.

29-04-2021 08:55AM

Danzy wrote: »

He really stepped up in the early days but he too often reverts to a childish approach.

He is 20 times the leader Martin is.

Great praise indeed, but 20 x 0 = ?

29-04-2021 08:58AM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Re Putin vaccine

Brazil now also saying (like Slovakia) what they received does not match what was published in studies for Sputnik-V

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/04/28/brazil-rejects-the-gamaleya-vaccine

Replication competent adenovirus within the Russian vaccine? That's pretty serious.

"The vaccine is clean ... and it does not contain replication-competent adenoviruses," Logunov told reporters.

Logunov said the shot went through a four-stage cleaning and filtration process, which he said was rare among vaccine makers.

"This makes our production much more expensive because we lose a part of our product. But we achieve an incredible level of purity," he said.]

JTMan · 29-04-2021 09:07AM

More Moderna production ...

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1387655907295780866

odyssey06 · 29-04-2021 09:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Replication competent adenovirus within the Russian vaccine? That's pretty serious.

Logunov said the shot went through a four-stage cleaning and filtration process, which he said was rare among vaccine makers.
"This makes our production much more expensive because we lose a part of our product. But we achieve an incredible level of purity," he said.

Purity of a vaccine? Say what now?
Sounds like they are making vodka not a vaccine!

29-04-2021 09:14AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Purity of a vaccine? Say what now?
Sounds like they are making vodka not a vaccine!

These type of statements have the worrying sound of a political commissar placed within an organisation to ensure the official line is followed, rather that those of a scientist

is_that_so · 29-04-2021 09:14AM

JTMan wrote: »

More Moderna production ...

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1387655907295780866

Good news but only after they fulfil their US contracts! Moderna is really a Q3+ vaccine for the rest of the world.

JP100 · 29-04-2021 09:16AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Haha, mainly PR , in every sense of it , and other hcws would know what I mean by that
Imagine trying to get on with your work and keep an eye on that loolaa too !

It never ceases to amaze the amount of people who claim to possess other people's minds and tell us what they're thinking! At the end of day, he's doing a helpful and good thing, so fair play to him and less of the begrudgery please.

titan18 · 29-04-2021 09:16AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Haha, mainly PR , in every sense of it , and other hcws would know what I mean by that
Imagine trying to get on with your work and keep an eye on that loolaa too !

Tbf to him, he hasn't really publicized it or talked about, so if it was for PR only, he's doing a terrible job of that.

29-04-2021 09:19AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Good news but only after they fulfil their US contracts! Moderna is really a Q3+ vaccine for the rest of the world.

No it will happen earlier, is has already passed peak vaccine injections, dropping from 4m a day to 3m a day and still dropping so there is an excess of 3m a day being manufactured in the u s ,

Russman · 29-04-2021 09:20AM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I hope that is the case.

Yeah I think the over 50s are probably more hesitant than the younger age groups will be. But then, NIAC will have to come back in a month and say "yeah remember that over 50s advice, ignore that now it is grand for everyone" - which is exactly what they should have been advising this week in the first place.

Most of us work in organisations where if we gave the answer NIAC gave for a yes/no decision, we'd be asked "is the fng thing safe for under 50s or not, and if not, what data are you basing this on"? The govt were never going to overrule NIAC, but NPHET really should have challenged them on it.

Yeah, but its not a black or white "is it safe or not ?" question. They said the same thing about the AZ, that if we were in a different situation (re cases, deaths, hospitalisations etc), the restriction would be different or non existent. You'd have to assume its similar with J&J, that we're having this age restriction because we're in a position as a country to be able to be extra cautious. From a certain point of view, its a good thing that we are able to be so cautious.
If NIAC change their advice, it won't be because its suddenly safe and previously wasn't, it would be because they've new information and/or our circumstances mean that our level of risk acceptance has changed (granted, from tiny to, eh.....still tiny)

Hmmzis · 29-04-2021 09:24AM

RavenBea17b wrote: »

This is such good news.

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

That is nothing short of spectacular news. Even after a breakthrough infection you're much less likely to transmit. This looks like a vaccinated individual with a breakthrough infection is highly unlikely to pass it on to another vaccinated individual (or convalescent).

is_that_so · 29-04-2021 09:28AM

Jazlynn Wailing Signal wrote: »

No it will happen earlier, is has already passed peak vaccine injections, dropping from 4m a day to 3m a day and still dropping so there is an excess of 3m a day being manufactured in the u s ,

Q3 is July and that's where their numbers ramp up for us but it would be a welcome surprise if they did earlier.

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