Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

moonage · 29-04-2021 01:56AM

It's all rather pathetic.

Horray! Intercounty travel is allowed, hairdressers and outdoor hospitality will re-open. Joy of joys! How wonderful!

It's like a starving man in a prison cell being thrown an apple core and he's delighted with it.

NIMAN · 29-04-2021 02:26AM

moonage wrote: »

It's all rather pathetic.

Horray! Intercounty travel is allowed, hairdressers and outdoor hospitality will re-open. Joy of joys! How wonderful!

It's like a starving man in a prison cell being thrown an apple core and he's delighted with it.

They have beaten our spirits down that much, that any little relaxation is greated like its an amazing thing.

But sure at least we can get our hair cut.....soon.

charlie14 · 29-04-2021 03:21AM

Bit cynical wrote: »

But how does being in heavy restrictions for a long time make it easier to open up? Yes we start off with low numbers, but as people make up for lost time with increased socialising, this leads to rising numbers and the tendency to reimpose restrictions. This is not the case to the same extent with countries that allowed some social outlets.

The summer weather and the vaccinations that have occurred help, of course, but these factors help either way.

Why do you believe people making up for lost time will increase numbers to the extent that lockdown will be imposed ?
At 50% first dose vaccination in the U.K. it hasn`t happened. Nor does it look likely to from their data plus more people being vaccinated.

Penfailed · 29-04-2021 06:05AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

They're never getting rid of masks. You'll be wearing them every winter.

Erm. So they're getting rid of them in Spring, Summer and Autumn?

CruelSummer · 29-04-2021 06:35AM

D-day. The late night rumours last night were positive, hopefully it remains so today. We can already see people are now doing their own thing re restrictions, better for the government to open up businesses safely & provide a structure to it all.

Leftwaffe · 29-04-2021 06:52AM

Looking forward to the summer months but I’m also well aware this lot will lock down again come the cold weather. Even if we reach a high percentage of the population being vaccinated they will close up shop. We all know it.

A tiny percentage of cases and a few people in hospital is enough for them to justify it.

Penfailed · 29-04-2021 07:11AM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Looking forward to the summer months but I’m also well aware this lot will lock down again come the cold weather. Even if we reach a high percentage of the population being vaccinated they will close up shop. We all know it.

A tiny percentage of cases and a few people in hospital is enough for them to justify it.

This is pure conjecture. You don't know it. We all don't know it.

Theboinkmaster · 29-04-2021 07:14AM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Looking forward to the summer months but I’m also well aware this lot will lock down again come the cold weather. Even if we reach a high percentage of the population being vaccinated they will close up shop. We all know it.

A tiny percentage of cases and a few people in hospital is enough for them to justify it.

No they won’t. Ridiculous.

facehugger99 · 29-04-2021 07:23AM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Hard to understand people getting excited about intercounty travel from mid next month. Just go now. There's been nothing to stop you for a good month

It's honestly difficult to understand the subservience on display.

This is our country not Tony Holihan's.

Go wherever you want to go.

There's not even checkpoints that you need to bullsh;t your way through.

Captain_Crash · 29-04-2021 07:32AM

While I think it’s too little too late, (as in, the damage has been done) its good that we are finally seeing some sense amongst government. I’m going to try and focus on looking forward as the sh*tshow we have all watched over the last few months can’t be changed.

But I’ve one question really! What on Earth happened yesterday too see such a huge change in direction?? 24 hours earlier there was rumours of nothing much changing till July! Who said what for it all to be brought forward in the space of literal hours?!?

Leftwaffe · 29-04-2021 07:37AM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

No they won’t. Ridiculous.

So you’re telling me everything that is opening in this phased relaxation of restrictions will not close again due to public health guidance on COVID-19?

I just want to be sure on this.

_Kaiser_ · 29-04-2021 07:42AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

While I think it’s too little too late, (as in, the damage has been done) its good that we are finally seeing some sense amongst government. I’m going to try and focus on looking forward as the sh*tshow we have all watched over the last few months can’t be changed.

But I’ve one question really! What on Earth happened yesterday too see such a huge change in direction?? 24 hours earlier there was rumours of nothing much changing till July! Who said what for it all to be brought forward in the space of literal hours?!?

It's a very good question really. I'd say Micheal was put under pressure by both elements within his own party who already want him gone , FG, and the fact that the finances are so bad that they've already been downplaying the ending of the supports and the potential of austerity measures in the last few days.

That and it's blatantly obvious that most people are ignoring them anyway

prunudo · 29-04-2021 07:51AM

Its not a certainty but it would be naive to think there isn't a threat of some sort of lockdown/restrictions next winter.
It also worries me that they can change their tune and tone in such a short space of time. Much of what is rummoured is overdue but why the sudden change in approach.

_Kaiser_ · 29-04-2021 07:55AM

prunudo wrote: »

Its not a certainty but it would be naive to think there isn't a threat of some sort of lockdown/restrictions next winter.
It also worries me that they can change their tune and tone in such a short space of time. Much of what is rummoured is overdue but why the sudden change in approach.

Suppose it could also be that AGS pushed back because of the impact on morale and the deterioration of their relationship with the general public, and - like last year - the overtime has run out.

facehugger99 · 29-04-2021 07:56AM

prunudo wrote: »

Its not a certainty but it would be naive to think there isn't a threat of some sort of lockdown/restrictions next winter.
It also worries me that they can change their tune and tone in such a short space of time. Much of what is rummoured is overdue but why the sudden change in approach.

Northern Ireland has effectively dragged us kicking and screaming back to normality

prunudo · 29-04-2021 07:59AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Northern Ireland has effectively dragged us kicking and screaming back to normality

A sentence I never thought I would read!

dalyboy · 29-04-2021 08:08AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

While I think it’s too little too late, (as in, the damage has been done) its good that we are finally seeing some sense amongst government. I’m going to try and focus on looking forward as the sh*tshow we have all watched over the last few months can’t be changed.

But I’ve one question really! What on Earth happened yesterday too see such a huge change in direction?? 24 hours earlier there was rumours of nothing much changing till July! Who said what for it all to be brought forward in the space of literal hours?!?

I was thinking the sale thing RE the accelerator being applied. On Tuesday night there was a late night meeting with MM , sleepy Ryan and pascal Donahue. The result of this meeting may have been the contributing factor in acceleration of the lifting of restrictions.

With this theory obviously there’s good news (relaxation) and bad news (economic).

Theboinkmaster · 29-04-2021 08:08AM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

So you’re telling me everything that is opening in this phased relaxation of restrictions will not close again due to public health guidance on COVID-19?

I just want to be sure on this.

Yes

facehugger99 · 29-04-2021 08:09AM

Following the meeting at Government Buildings, Minister for Transport Eamon Ryan said that the Cabinet will not depart from NPHET's advice on easing restrictions.

If anything summed up the spinelessness of our democratically elected 'leaders'.

Just a reminder that these lads are pulling down well north of 6-figures to come out with this subservient bullsh;t.

What a pathetic and contemptable bunch of arseholes we have in Leinster House.

copeyhagen · 29-04-2021 08:13AM

prunudo wrote: »

Its not a certainty but it would be naive to think there isn't a threat of some sort of lockdown/restrictions next winter.
It also worries me that they can change their tune and tone in such a short space of time. Much of what is rummoured is overdue but why the sudden change in approach.

they have ran out of money and need to cut 12bn.. was posted here a few days ago

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjMl8zK86LwAhVEsXEKHQYNDrQQxfQBCDMwAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishexaminer.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Farid-40274552.html&usg=AOvVaw1JcwjRHe15cgAb6hGyoeXy

theyre broke..

prunudo · 29-04-2021 08:16AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

they have ran out of money and need to cut 12bn.. was posted here a few days ago

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjMl8zK86LwAhVEsXEKHQYNDrQQxfQBCDMwAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishexaminer.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Farid-40274552.html&usg=AOvVaw1JcwjRHe15cgAb6hGyoeXy

theyre broke..

Or in other words they are broke but we will have to pay for it. Was it ever going to be any other way.

_Kaiser_ · 29-04-2021 08:21AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

id say a few posters here were up all night losing sleep at the mere prospect of leaving lockdown.....

Listening to NT this morning they have already had a professor of genetics on worrying (they even quoted her in the 8am headlines) and texters lamenting that the government haven't waited a few more weeks.

The psychological damage caused by the last year is immense and will take a lot longer to fix for some people.

The Nutty M · 29-04-2021 08:25AM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

What's peoples take on foreign travel this summer? Do you think quarantine and tests will be required in August?

Looking from the outside in,IMO they are trying to contain people within the country. Make them all happy and excited about having a sandwich or pint outside in the cold while all the time gradually adding European MHQ countries to a list.
Italy
Austria
Belgium
Andorra
France
Luxembourg
Monaco
Serbia

To be announced possibly
Netherlands
Romania
Czech Republic
Switzerland
Lichtenstein

When you put an X through all them countries on a map of Europe,the list grows small of possible countries to go on holiday/non essential travel to. When the list is small,more focused policing is made easier. The boiling frog analogy is very apt.

Don't Chute! · 29-04-2021 08:26AM

I get the distinct feeling we are all seemingly supposed to collapse down upon our knees and prostrate ourselves in blessed thanks that our Lord and Masters have seen fit to grant us such freedoms. Sorry lads won’t be happening.

Jinglejangle69 · 29-04-2021 08:28AM

The fact they are only doing this as we're broke and the penny has dropped says it all.

Boggles · 29-04-2021 08:28AM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I get the distinct feeling we are all seemingly supposed to collapse down upon our knees and prostrate ourselves in blessed thanks that our Lord and Masters have seen fit to grant us such freedoms. Sorry lads won’t be happening.

You staying at level 6?

Good for you.

Haircuts for everyone else.

Boggles · 29-04-2021 08:33AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The fact they are only doing this as we're broke and the penny has dropped says it all.

Or we have actually secured vaccines and a vaccination plan.

Much like we were told what would happen.

Q2.

Boggles · 29-04-2021 08:34AM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I meant I won’t be prostrating myself but of course you knew that didn’t you?

TBH I don't think anyone cares what you do TBF.

You seem to have over personalized the pandemic to the extent where you have created goodies and baddies.

It's not a healthy mindset.

ArthurDayne · 29-04-2021 08:37AM

charlie14 wrote: »

If anyone is attempting to change the goalposts here I`m afraid it is very much you Arthur. Along with a fair old measure of avoidance as well.

One of the aims of lockdown was to prevent health services from being over-run. Something we saw, and are still seeing, in countries before lockdowns were introduced. Far as I recall one of your points has been that ours was not over-run as shown by our I.C.U. numbers.
Low infection numbers will ensure lower hospitalisations and thus lower numbers requiring I.C.U. To believe lockdown played no part is denying reality Arthur.

Apparently your idea as to what level of restrictions we should have had all along are those you listed in your last post.
Those were tried in Sweden. Still are. Looking at their data, that`s a bullet we would not have missed following your alternative to lockdown.

For what it's worth Charlie, I admire the quality of your posts and your tenacity in argument -- but I am sorry that I do have to repeat myself -- because even in the course of your last few posts to me you have twisted what I have said and subtly tried to change the goalposts. Another problem is that, like Boggles, you seem to just be bestowing opinions on me out of the blue to convince yourself that I am arguing something I'm not. At what point exactly did I say that lockdowns have played no part in minimising infection? This is undeniable -- lockdowns can work but the issue is (a) they cannot be sustained indefinitely without huge damage and eventual lapse (b) when they do lapse, in a situation where Covid has become endemic, then you run the risk that when a lockdown-weary population is given.any sniff of freedom you will have an entire nation simultaneously doing the things they miss doing -- and with that comes spread like wildfire.

But we are not talking about "minimising infection" because minimising infection outright is not what the State's strategy ever has been -- because minimising infection outright is effectively a Zero Covid strategy. Strangely though, in the very same post, you then go on to shift the goalposts again -- though at least on this occasion to the right place -- to saying that it was to prevent healthcare being overrun.

So, now that we are back to the correct argument, and you have accused me of vague mumblings, i am once again offering you the chance to show me how clear and definitive your argument is. So can you please explain to me the data justifying how each of the individual example measures (hairdressers being closed along with hotels / restaurants / bars, distance limits being in place) are contributing to preventing healthcare from overrun and by what percentage their alleviation would increase the risk of the healthcare system being overrun?

dalyboy · 29-04-2021 08:38AM

The Nutty M wrote: »

Looking from the outside in,IMO they are trying to contain people within the country. Make them all happy and excited about having a sandwich or pint outside in the cold while all the time gradually adding European MHQ countries to a list.
Italy
Austria
Belgium
Andorra
France
Luxembourg
Monaco
Serbia

To be announced possibly
Netherlands
Romania
Czech Republic
Switzerland
Lichtenstein

When you put an X through all them countries on a map of Europe,the list grows small of possible countries to go on holiday/non essential travel to. When the list is small,more focused policing is made easier. The boiling frog analogy is very apt.

Good luck to them policing the exodus to Belfast airport come June 7th when the country travel is allowed.

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