Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Wolf359f · 28-04-2021 08:19PM

Amirani wrote: »

There were a few posters on this thread calling for it, I'd imagine they'll be pretty quiet about that now.

Probably the same posters who wanted us to swap all our current Pfizer and future deliveries for Germany's AZ stockpile.

Lumen · 28-04-2021 08:20PM

Amirani wrote: »

There were a few posters on this thread calling for it, I'd imagine they'll be pretty quiet about that now.

Let the shaming commence!

Or the appreciation for those who called it. This has aged well.

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Honestly, I will gladly sign a waiver to get an AZ vaccine. I like the odds being longer than being hit by a car.

But I will never let anybody near me with Sputnik. No fng way!

heyjude · 28-04-2021 08:23PM

Are the HSE stockpiling Covid vaccines now ? I was wondering as it has been the mantra throughout the vaccination campaign that vaccine supplies are administered as soon as they arrive and earlier in the year they gave a figure of 95%+ of all doses delivered having been administered. Yet today the Department of Health said that up to last Sunday over 1.7m doses of vaccine had been delivered to Ireland with just over 1.4m administerd by Monday, meaning approx 300,000 doses or 17% of all deliveries had still not been used.

Van.Bosch · 28-04-2021 08:27PM

heyjude wrote: »

Are the HSE stockpiling Covid vaccines now ? I was wondering as it has been the mantra throughout the vaccination campaign that vaccine supplies are administered as soon as they arrive and earlier in the year they gave a figure of 95%+ of all doses delivered having been administered. Yet today the Department of Health said that up to last Sunday over 1.7m doses of vaccine had been delivered to Ireland with just over 1.4m administerd by Monday, meaning approx 300,000 doses or 17% of all deliveries had still not been used.

I’m sure they’ll be used this week mostly - hopefully all.

Wolf359f · 28-04-2021 08:28PM

heyjude wrote: »

Are the HSE stockpiling Covid vaccines now ? I was wondering as it has been the mantra throughout the vaccination campaign that vaccine supplies are administered as soon as they arrive and earlier in the year they gave a figure of 95%+ of all doses delivered having been administered. Yet today the Department of Health said that up to last Sunday over 1.7m doses of vaccine had been delivered to Ireland with just over 1.4m administerd by Monday, meaning approx 300,000 doses or 17% of all deliveries had still not been used.

I'd say they would struggle to jab 300k between Sunday and Monday. Maybe try spread it out over 7 days, so just as you run out a new delivery arrives?

Bubbaclaus · 28-04-2021 08:28PM

heyjude wrote: »

Are the HSE stockpiling Covid vaccines now ? I was wondering as it has been the mantra throughout the vaccination campaign that vaccine supplies are administered as soon as they arrive and earlier in the year they gave a figure of 95%+ of all doses delivered having been administered. Yet today the Department of Health said that up to last Sunday over 1.7m doses of vaccine had been delivered to Ireland with just over 1.4m administerd by Monday, meaning approx 300,000 doses or 17% of all deliveries had still not been used.

That's about 10 days worth of supply, before you even start taking out doses being kept back for 2nd shots, hardly a massive stockpile.

hmmm · 28-04-2021 08:30PM

Seven in ten adults in the UK now have Covid antibodies in the week to April 11:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-antibodies-seven-in-ten-england-ons-vaccine-pandemic-b932122.html

And substantially more vaccinated in the meantime.

I think I'll buy the inflatable donkey for the beach.

hmmm · 28-04-2021 08:39PM

Derek Lowe is not happy. How often has the word "bull****" appeared in Science magazine?
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/04/28/russian-vaccine-behavior

PhilOssophy · 28-04-2021 09:29PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Reading people's reactions on Twitter is depressing.

For example today, 19,000 extra jabs into peoples arms and people still wondering why it's not 40k+.

Like Christ, do they think these just magically land in GP surgeries at 9am on Monday morning and completely ignore the fact that a lot of planning and logistics goes into this?

Whinging b*stards, the lot of them. Even if it was 40k they'd be crying the next week if it stayed stable or slightly lower.

Never read the follow-up comments on Twitter. If a politician or whatever says anything, read his comment, and ignore the subsequent.

MrStuffins wrote: »

There are many people, and they're always very vocal, who would be handed a free holiday in Tenerife and would complain that they aren't going to Eleven-terife!

They'd then go on to blame the Government and probably mention the homeless for good measure.

They're not worth listening to!

They'd complain they got the holiday to Tenerife but it was only a 4-star hotel they were staying in.

Strazdas wrote: »

George Lee reporting on Six One that the HSE has no plans to change the age cohort system i.e. dismissing the idea that many people in their 50s will be left waiting until mid to late June for a vaccine (because of the age limits on J & J).

Those in their 50s were never going to be left to wait....especially as they had already said no to teachers/Gardai in favour of said system. And rightly so - plough on with these - get the vaccines administered and forget about who is getting what vaccine.

I reckon the EU vaccine passport will focus a lot of minds regarding vaccination. If anything, it makes the single dose J&J vaccine even more appealing.

Strazdas · 28-04-2021 09:40PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Those in their 50s were never going to be left to wait....especially as they had already said no to teachers/Gardai in favour of said system. And rightly so - plough on with these - get the vaccines administered and forget about who is getting what vaccine.

I reckon the EU vaccine passport will focus a lot of minds regarding vaccination. If anything, it makes the single dose J&J vaccine even more appealing.

Perhaps the HSE secretly think that J & J may well come back into play for the under 50s in June. A lot of the talk that we will be left with hundreds of thousands of unusable J & J doses in June is mere media / Twitter speculation and is not coming from the people actually running the programme.

sd1999 · 28-04-2021 09:54PM

I wonder what percentage of Cohort 3 will refuse to get vaccinated. They’re at 92.5% uptake so far which is amazing. But there will be a small number who don’t want it and it’ll be interesting to see how big that small number will be.

titan18 · 28-04-2021 09:58PM

If you're on cohort 7, is it worth getting on to your GP (as some seem to be getting it in that cohort) or just sit and wait?

Stheno · 28-04-2021 10:01PM

Speculation and sources now saying they may have Pfizer for over 70s AZ and J&J for 50 -69 and start the Pfizer rollout to 40-49

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/vaccine-plan-redrawn-to-accelerate-rollout-as-summer-reopening-plans-finalised-1.4549489?mode=amp

The HSE and the vaccine experts are now examining the logistics of running an inoculation programme using four different drugs.

It is understood officials may look at the potential of allocating specific vaccines to specific age groups, which could be easier operationally. That could open up another age cohort for vaccination to be done in parallel with an older cohort.

One senior source said that 60-69 year olds would soon be given the AstraZeneca vaccine. “We will move to the 50-59 year olds with Johnson & Johnson. So what do we do with all the Pfizer shots? Could we do the 40-49 bracket?” the source speculated.

Strazdas · 28-04-2021 10:05PM

Stheno wrote: »

Speculation and sources now saying they may have Pfizer for over 70s AZ and J&J for 50 -69 and start the Pfizer rollout to 40-49

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/vaccine-plan-redrawn-to-accelerate-rollout-as-summer-reopening-plans-finalised-1.4549489?mode=amp

That contradicts what George Lee said at 6 : he said that the descending age cohort system will proceed as was planned and there is no question of two age cohorts opening simultaneously.

eoinbn · 28-04-2021 10:05PM

Stheno wrote: »

Speculation and sources now saying they may have Pfizer for over 70s AZ and J&J for 50 -69 and start the Pfizer rollout to 40-49

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/vaccine-plan-redrawn-to-accelerate-rollout-as-summer-reopening-plans-finalised-1.4549489?mode=amp

That is from yesterday.

ACitizenErased · 28-04-2021 10:06PM

Strazdas wrote: »

That contradicts what George Lee said at 6 : he said that the descending age cohort system will proceed as was planned and there is no question of two age cohorts opening simultaneously.

Well we'll just delay the rollout then. You're constantly pushing that this will have no change despite multiple reports of the contrary.

Strazdas · 28-04-2021 10:10PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Well we'll just delay the rollout then. You're constantly pushing that this will have no change despite multiple reports of the contrary.

Reports of what....that they'll start vaccinating the 40-49s with mRNA soon?

JPup · 28-04-2021 10:11PM

titan18 wrote: »

If you're on cohort 7, is it worth getting on to your GP (as some seem to be getting it in that cohort) or just sit and wait?

Make sure the GP has you on their list. After that, it's just a matter of waiting I think.

Beanybabog · 28-04-2021 10:12PM

I know a couple of 60-64 year olds who got appointment texts within a day or two of registering and appointments are within a week!

sd1999 · 28-04-2021 10:12PM

titan18 wrote: »

If you're on cohort 7, is it worth getting on to your GP (as some seem to be getting it in that cohort) or just sit and wait?

It’s worth it to make sure you’re on their list at the very least.

stephenjmcd · 28-04-2021 10:12PM

Strazdas wrote: »

That contradicts what George Lee said at 6 : he said that the descending age cohort system will proceed as was planned and there is no question of two age cohorts opening simultaneously.

I don't think Geroge Lee would somehow know the ins and outs of what the HSE would be thinking of doing

SJFly · 28-04-2021 10:15PM

titan18 wrote: »

If you're on cohort 7, is it worth getting on to your GP (as some seem to be getting it in that cohort) or just sit and wait?

Worth giving them a call. My husband is supposedly on a list from the Mater to be done in the Aviva, but no sign of an appointment. His consultant told him to take one from the gp if offered, so he rang this afternoon. The gp receptionist confirmed they will be vaccinating 4/7 next week, so hopefully he'll be sorted soon.

snotboogie · 28-04-2021 10:16PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Those in their 50s were never going to be left to wait....especially as they had already said no to teachers/Gardai in favour of said system. And rightly so - plough on with these - get the vaccines administered and forget about who is getting what vaccine.

I reckon the EU vaccine passport will focus a lot of minds regarding vaccination. If anything, it makes the single dose J&J vaccine even more appealing.

The issue is the government going against NIAC advise, not vaccine hesitancy for J&J and AZ. If they plough on, as is suggested, they will either have to ignore NIAC advice, which I don't see happening, or face vaccine shortages when we get to the under 50's rollout.

Unless the govt know something we don't, this is an extremely short sighted decision that will leave us snookered come June.

Strazdas · 28-04-2021 10:21PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I don't think Geroge Lee would somehow know the ins and outs of what the HSE would be thinking of doing

Possibly the case, but the Irish Times article and his piece flatly contradict each other anyway, so somebody is right and somebody is wrong.

Happydays2020 · 28-04-2021 10:23PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I don't think Geroge Lee would somehow know the ins and outs of what the HSE would be thinking of doing

No but the HSE needs to take account of the views of George Lee.

Polar101 · 28-04-2021 10:24PM

Turtwig wrote: »

I err saw a post.
Stated Sputnik was injecting people with a live adenovirus.

They'll be selling Sputnik VI soon, which also protects you from the Adenovirus in Sputnik V.

28-04-2021 10:31PM

snotboogie wrote: »

The issue is the government going against NIAC advise, not vaccine hesitancy for J&J and AZ. If they plough on, as is suggested, they will either have to ignore NIAC advice, which I don't see happening, or face vaccine shortages when we get to the under 50's rollout.

Unless the govt know something we don't, this is an extremely short sighted decision that will leave us snookered come June.

Our deliveries don't just stop in June. We have ordered significantly more vaccines than we actually need, and with Pfizer speeding up their deliveries things are looking pretty good.

Charles Babbage · 28-04-2021 10:35PM

Beanybabog wrote: »

I know a couple of 60-64 year olds who got appointment texts within a day or two of registering and appointments are within a week!

Yet they are only doing just over 8000/day of 60-69 year old and there are over 400,000 of these. So you would be expecting them to be vaccinating these for another 4 weeks. So your experience above suggests that they are not taking people by age within this group.

nibtrix · 28-04-2021 10:38PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Yet they are only doing just over 6000/day of 60-69 year old and there are over 400,000 of these. So you would be expecting them to be vaccinating these for another 4 or 5 weeks. So your experience above suggests that they are not taking people by age within this group.

What? So those days where there were over 40k shots last week we’re still mostly cohort 3 & 4 in GPs? Doesn’t seem right

snotboogie · 28-04-2021 10:39PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

Our deliveries don't just stop in June. We have ordered significantly more vaccines than we actually need, and with Pfizer speeding up their deliveries things are looking pretty good.

The schedule to the end of June includes 500k J&J, which are backended almost completely in June. Despite what we have ordered, we won't have an excess of vaccines until Q4 at best, most likely not until 2022. We won't be able to make up 500k J&J with Pfizer for months. We will have a serious slowdown in June if we follow the plan mentioned

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