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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #8702
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Taoiseach signals domestic tourism could return in June, according to IT


  • #8703
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Stheno wrote: »
    BBC https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56855712.amp
    Deaths estimated at 10x official deaths

    Reuters
    https://www.reuters.com/world/india/non-stop-cremations-cast-doubt-indias-counting-covid-dead-2021-04-19/

    One city reported 25 Covid deaths, 187 Covid protocol cremations

    Whats a covid protocol cremation?


  • #8704
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Whats a covid protocol cremation?

    It appears that it involves a lot of People going by the reports I've seen. Plus very limited numbers


  • #8705
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Stheno wrote: »
    It appears that it involves a lot of People going by the reports I've seen. Plus very limited numbers

    I just wonder is it the same as the protocols we have here and in the UK with limited numbers and sped up if possible. Hell even the Queen of England had to sit by herself in the corner recently.

    Im somewhat jaded by news reports that give numbers and terms with little to no context and tbh im starting to assume they have no interest in actual journalism. If you have dug deeper or know better - frankly i'd listen to what you have to say moreso than the donkeys on RTE/BBC


  • #8706
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Taoiseach signals domestic tourism could return in June, according to IT

    Humph cautious on hospitality


    Taoiseach Micheál Martin has signalled that domestic tourism could return in June as part of the easing of Covid-19 restrictions to be considered by Government this week.

    He told a private meeting of Fianna Fáil’s parliamentary party that hairdressers and barbers, religious services, outdoor sports training for adults, click and collect shopping and non-essential retail are being looked at for reopening in May.

    However, sources said Mr Martin also suggested that the Government will look at plans for reopening hotels, B&Bs, self-catering holiday homes and mobile home sites in June, thus paving the way for domestic tourism to resume.

    The meeting heard pleas on behalf of the hospitality sector from TDs including Cathal Crowe and John Lahart for financial supports for pubs and no distinction to be made between gastro pubs and those that don’t serve food.

    Mr Martin acknowledged the calls for equality of treatment within the hospitality industry but was said to be cautious in his response to such contributions.


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  • #8707
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    And we are below 150 in hospital for the first time this year

    Hospital figures at 8pm

    Total 148 (down from 151 last night)
    ICU 47 (up from 45 last night)

    Hospital with most Covid patients - Mater 16

    Last Tuesday
    Total 172
    ICU 47


  • #8708
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,733 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Stheno wrote: »
    Humph cautious on hospitality
    I know for people drinking is not part and parcel of a holiday but Why would ya want to go on a staycation if you are a drinker with **** all open

    What planet is MM on if he simply thinks its acceptable


  • #8709
    Mushy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,122 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Taoiseach signals domestic tourism could return in June, according to IT

    Could being the operative word. Should be able to move about more at current rate with way vaccinations are going


  • #8710
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    I just wonder is it the same as the protocols we have here and in the UK with limited numbers and sped up if possible. Hell even the Queen of England had to sit by herself in the corner recently.

    Im somewhat jaded by news reports that give numbers and terms with little to no context and tbh im starting to assume they have no interest in actual journalism. If you have dug deeper or know better - frankly i'd listen to what you have to say moreso than the donkeys on RTE/BBC

    I'm just going by more international news reports

    In Delhi they have turned some parks and empty spaces into temporary crematorium to facilitate more funeral pyres

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56897970

    I talk to colleagues in India multuple times every day, today was the first day since last Wednesday where I had just one call where no one there had Covid, had family with Covid, or in ICU with Covid

    The situation over there is literally hellish at the moment tbh


  • #8711
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Jack Lambert on now about long covid and 350,000 Irish people suffering.

    Brain damage etc.

    When will the scaremongering end??

    All these new shiny celebrities need to be banished.

    Now taking about payments by the government for covid victims.

    Actually I give up.


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  • #8712
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Jack Lambert on now about long covid and 350,000 Irish people suffering.

    Brain damage etc.

    When will the scaremongering end??

    All these new shiny celebrities need to be banished.

    Now taking about payments by the government for covid victims.

    Actually I give up.

    I thought he was pretty balanced tbh

    He spoke of how long covid is similar to long term effects of Lyme disease and how we have never invested in a coordinated approach to dealing with essentially post viral syndrome


  • #8713
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Martin just saying domestic tourism could return is a very vague indication. I'm sure a lot have differing opinions on what describes 'domestic tourism'.


  • #8714
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    I know for people drinking is not part and parcel of a holiday but Why would ya want to go on a staycation if you are a drinker with **** all open

    What planet is MM on if he simply thinks its acceptable

    I agree, why would you bother. But also hospitality is more than just pubs and alcohol. What about cafes or restaurants that should be open with outdoor dining now or at a minimum from early next month. I miss going for a fry on a Saturday morning in a cafe as much as I do a steak and pint in the local pub.


  • #8715
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    I know for people drinking is not part and parcel of a holiday but Why would ya want to go on a staycation if you are a drinker with **** all open

    What planet is MM on if he simply thinks its acceptable

    The past year has certainly been bad for self-described "drinkers".

    Unfortunately drinking as a hobby doesn't get much appreciation in a pandemic. Ignoring the well-researched mental health benefits of alcohol consumption has been a public health disaster.


  • #8716
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Lumen wrote: »
    The past year has certainly been bad for self-described "drinkers".

    Unfortunately drinking as a hobby doesn't get much appreciation in a pandemic. Ignoring the well-researched mental health benefits of alcohol consumption has been a public health disaster.

    And yet alcohol consumption is probably up - just people drinking more, cheaper, earlier, at home. Much the same as bad quality food.

    Its almost like lockdowns served to screw the general health of people - but I guess we can add that to all the other costs down the line.


  • #8717
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Jack Lambert on now about long covid and 350,000 Irish people suffering.

    Brain damage etc.

    When will the scaremongering end??

    All these new shiny celebrities need to be banished.

    Now taking about payments by the government for covid victims.

    The 'bad back' of this generation.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dubious-origins-of-long-covid-11616452583


  • #8718
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    And yet alcohol consumption is probably up - just people drinking more, cheaper, earlier, at home. Much the same as bad quality food.

    Its almost like lockdowns served to screw the general health of people - but I guess we can add that to all the other costs down the line.

    Alcohol consumption was down 6% last year in Ireland, yet the puritans are disappointed, which is confirmation for anyone who was in doubt that nothing less than abolition will make them happy.

    https://alcoholireland.ie/alcohol-consumption-data-2020-disappointing/


  • #8719
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Nermal wrote: »
    The 'bad back' of this generation.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dubious-origins-of-long-covid-11616452583

    On the other hand...

    https://www.virology.ws/2021/03/25/trial-by-error-clueless-wall-street-journal-op-ed-endorses-pace-as-the-prevailing-view-among-docs/


  • #8720
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Jack Lambert on now about long covid and 350,000 Irish people suffering.

    Brain damage etc.

    When will the scaremongering end??

    All these new shiny celebrities need to be banished.

    Now taking about payments by the government for covid victims.

    Actually I give up.

    350,000 Irish people suffering from what? We've only had 255,000 cases (PCR positive) and a whole heap of them asymptomatic.


  • #8721
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,785 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    OwenM wrote: »
    350,000 Irish people suffering from what? We've only had 255,000 cases (PCR positive) and a whole heap of them asymptomatic.

    it's science


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  • #8722
    cheezums
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    i'm sure some people suffer long term effects of covid. but it's hardly a stretch of the imagination to say that most "sufferers" are probably taking the piss for disability benefit. literally all you need is to have had covid, and then claim symptoms none of which can be proven. we're a country of chancers, if there's a way of getting away with not working, many will take it.


  • #8723
    peterc1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭peterc1991


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Jack Lambert on now about long covid and 350,000 Irish people suffering.

    Brain damage etc.

    When will the scaremongering end??

    All these new shiny celebrities need to be banished.

    Now taking about payments by the government for covid victims.

    Actually I give up.

    Please give up Because its tirying


  • #8724
    kleiner feigling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭kleiner feigling


    Corholio wrote: »
    Martin just saying domestic tourism could return is a very vague indication. I'm sure a lot have differing opinions on what describes 'domestic tourism'.

    Very vague. I often wonder why they even bother making these remarks.
    Is he just trying to validate his existence?
    What did taoisigh talk about before Covid?
    There's no meaningful governance going on at the moment, just the covid show while everything else slides into an even sorrier state of affairs.


  • #8725
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    LarryBird wrote: »
    Heard it myself excellent stuff tbh. I know 3 people personally who are suffering with long covid and it is absolutely not a joke.

    Some people seem to be in utter and total denial about it though.

    Did he really say 350k people?


  • #8726
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hate that phrase, 'long COVID'.


  • #8727
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    LarryBird wrote: »
    Heard it myself excellent stuff tbh. I know 3 people personally who are suffering with long covid and it is absolutely not a joke.

    Some people seem to be in utter and total denial about it though.

    I have heard of one person who has not fully recovered after getting Covid. This persons lungs are not in a good way to be honest.

    I think it’s a real thing we know other viruses leave some people with a post viral syndrome and hopefully Covid will force money into researching this area. I also think some people are exaggerating the numbers involved and some people are downplaying the numbers. A few months back someone from NPHET estimated it to be 2% (think it could of been Glynn). It’s hard to know for sure how many there are in middle of pandemic when doctors don’t have time to follow up on those who have had Covid. There are likely to be researchers all around the globe trying to figure out how common it really is.


  • #8728
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    We are all suffering from long Covid at this stage


  • #8729
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The numbers suffering from long covid are being way overstated. A UK study suggested that the number came in at around 10%.

    But when you dig down into that, it turned out that around 10% of people who tested positive reported fatigue, headache or a cough 12 weeks post-infection. I don't know about you, but I've also had all 3 every now and again during the last year, but I didn't have covid.

    So what is the prevalance of these symptoms in the population who didn't have covid? Nobody has asked.

    I'm not denying it's a thing, but compiling data based on self-reporting is fraught, especially when you're not collecting comparative data on the rest of the population.


  • #8730
    kleiner feigling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭kleiner feigling


    mohawk wrote: »
    I have heard of one person who has not fully recovered after getting Covid. This persons lungs are not in a good way to be honest.

    I think it’s a real thing we know other viruses leave some people with a post viral syndrome and hopefully Covid will force money into researching this area. I also think some people are exaggerating the numbers involved and some people are downplaying the numbers. A few months back someone from NPHET estimated it to be 2% (think it could of been Glynn). It’s hard to know for sure how many there are in middle of pandemic when doctors don’t have time to follow up on those who have had Covid. There are likely to be researchers all around the globe trying to figure out how common it really is.

    I know of a young physio whose initial covid symptoms were mild, but now has long covid and significant inflammation around the heart.
    He can just about do 1 hour of work a day now.
    I've seen some reports of the likes of ivermectin having very positive anti-inflammatory effects and offering a fair bit of relief to people.
    Trials of existing drugs/treatment (not just ivermectin btw)are definitely needed when it comes to long covid because it is really debilitating for people who have it.


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  • #8731
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    India allowing another pilgramage:
    Focus now on Char Dham Yatra, says Uttarakhand govt


    I do wonder if the government in India are trying to kill people at this point.

    I don't see how all the aid the rest of the world is sending is going to help, if the India isn't even trying to reduce infections.


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