Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Goldengirl · 27-04-2021 07:40PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not all.

Over 60s in the groups getting AZ

Full rundown here

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/rollout/rollout.html

In reality it is mainly not high risk getting AZ .
Most of the doctors are vaccinating group 7s with their over 70s and are using Pfizer / Moderna as a result
That is unless they are just doing the 60 to 69 age group?

This leaves AZ for use mainly in MVCs

secman · 27-04-2021 07:44PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

This Angers me
So they are going to give the vaccines with the highest effacacy to the youngest,less risk healthy population and leave most 50 to 69yr olds with a less efficacatious vaccine
Marvelous thinking... :mad:

You are clearly over thinking and buying into the "which vaccine is the best" nonsense, the UK are well on course for fully opening up everything and getting back to normal and they have more or less used 32 million AZ vaccine and they are not dying like flies !
I'm awaiting my first vaccine, having registered on Sat, my wife got her first jab, its irrelevant to me which one i get, they all work.

Goldengirl · 27-04-2021 07:50PM

Deeper Blue wrote: »

It hasn't evaded vaccination though?

Not yet , I don't think, but where does anyone say that the fact that it hasn't yet is nothing to worry about or , perish the thought , bring up on a vaccine discussion forum ?

Probes · 27-04-2021 07:55PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

This Angers me
So they are going to give the vaccines with the highest effacacy to the youngest,less risk healthy population and leave most 50 to 69yr olds with a less efficacatious vaccine
Marvelous thinking... :mad:

I think real world data is showing that all vaccines perform pretty similarly by the way.

Sky King · 27-04-2021 07:57PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

This Angers me
So they are going to give the vaccines with the highest effacacy to the youngest,less risk healthy population and leave most 50 to 69yr olds with a less efficacatious vaccine
Marvelous thinking... :mad:

Once the highly vulnerable are protected its a matter of making the population immune as quickly as possible using whatever is available. Everyone should take what they are given so this happens ASAP and we can all get back to normal. Those who got Pfizer are protecting you as well, remember.

ACitizenErased · 27-04-2021 07:58PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Not yet , I don't think, but where does anyone say that the fact that it hasn't yet is nothing to worry about or , perish the thought , bring up on a vaccine discussion forum ?

If we dealt in what ifs we would never ever exit the pandemic, we deal in facts thankfully

27-04-2021 08:01PM

secman wrote: »

You are clearly over thinking and buying into the "which vaccine is the best" nonsense, the UK are well on course for fully opening up everything and getting back to normal and they have more or less used 32 million AZ vaccine and they are not dying like flies !
I'm awaiting my first vaccine, having registered on Sat, my wife got her first jab, its irrelevant to me which one i get, they all work.

My issue isn't with the Astra vaccine
Its effacacy is in the 90's too
I've no issue being told to take it
My problem is with jansen with much lower effacacy being given to older people up to 69
It Does Not work as well as the others,thats a fact
The only reason its being given to older people is they're afraid of law suits with the tiniest of percentiles
Thats not science
Its money

ACitizenErased · 27-04-2021 08:03PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

My issue isn't with the Astra vaccine
Its effacacy is in the 90's too
I've no issue being told to take it
My problem is with jansen with much lower effacacy being given to older people up to 69
It Does Not work as well as the others,thats a fact
The only reason its being given to older people is they're afraid of law suits with the tiniest of percentiles
Thats not science
Its money

Janssen is 100% effective against severe disease, what else do you want

iamwhoiam · 27-04-2021 08:06PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Not yet , I don't think, but where does anyone say that the fact that it hasn't yet is nothing to worry about or , perish the thought , bring up on a vaccine discussion forum ?

What’s the point of worrying about something that may never happen ? Focus on good news and the fact we have 4 vaccines in the space of a year . A huge accomplishment .

PhilOssophy · 27-04-2021 08:08PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

This Angers me
So they are going to give the vaccines with the highest effacacy to the youngest,less risk healthy population and leave most 50 to 69yr olds with a less efficacatious vaccine
Marvelous thinking... :mad:

You are not getting a less efficacious vaccine. You are comparing apples with oranges like everyone else in this cohort and need to stop thinking like that.
J/J is far more efficacious than Pfizer vs the SA variant. The clinical trials happened largely before many of the current variants emerged, and the attitude from all the regulators is "all vaccines are 100 % effective against death and hospitalisation".

Deeper Blue · 27-04-2021 08:09PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Not yet , I don't think, but where does anyone say that the fact that it hasn't yet is nothing to worry about or , perish the thought , bring up on a vaccine discussion forum ?

Bring it up all you like, but expect to be called on it by those of us that deal with facts rather than what ifs.

PhilOssophy · 27-04-2021 08:11PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

My issue isn't with the Astra vaccine
Its effacacy is in the 90's too
I've no issue being told to take it
My problem is with jansen with much lower effacacy being given to older people up to 69
It Does Not work as well as the others,thats a fact
The only reason its being given to older people is they're afraid of law suits with the tiniest of percentiles
Thats not science
Its money

Martin - can you please explain your understanding of a clinical trial, and how they work?

corkie · 27-04-2021 08:12PM

One Vaccine to Rule Them All
What if a single vaccine could protect us against SARS, MERS, COVID-19, and every other coronavirus-related disease, forever and ever?

.....

Tracing and reacting to individual variants is such an enormous challenge that some experts believe we need a more comprehensive approach, and soon. “Rather than playing whack-a-mole with each new problematic variant,” Anthony Fauci told me last week, “it just makes sense to me to use all of our capabilities to really go for a universal SARS-CoV-2 vaccine.” That is, one that can protect us no matter which direction this virus goes, setting up at least partial immunity to any variant that may arise. “If we don’t, we’re going to be constantly chasing things, as opposed to getting it off the table.”

Dozens of research teams have already taken up the challenge, and meeting it is within their reach. But doing so would be just the beginning. “A universal SARS-CoV-2 vaccine is step one,” Fauci said. Step two would be a universal coronavirus vaccine, capable of protecting us not only from SARS-CoV-2 in all its forms, but also from the inevitable emergence of new and different coronaviruses that might cause future pandemics. The race to create such a vaccine may prove one of the great feats of a generation.

...

A universal vaccine in theory sounds good but as far as I'm aware we don't even have this for the common flu with new and different vaccines been issued each year.

First time posting in this thread, so hope this link is landing in the right thread?

Goldengirl · 27-04-2021 08:13PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

If we dealt in what ifs we would never ever exit the pandemic, we deal in facts thankfully

Variants of concern and the possibilit of their evading vaccinations are more than" ifs" , they are" whens", which is a fact.

Deeper Blue · 27-04-2021 08:14PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Variants of concern and the possibilit of their evading vaccinations are more than" ifs" , they are" whens", which is a fact.

That is absolutely not a fact

Happydays2020 · 27-04-2021 08:17PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

You are not getting a less efficacious vaccine. You are comparing apples with oranges like everyone else in this cohort and need to stop thinking like that.
J/J is far more efficacious than Pfizer vs the SA variant. The clinical trials happened largely before many of the current variants emerged, and the attitude from all the regulators is "all vaccines are 100 % effective against death and hospitalisation".

Perhaps the public health people should be communicating as clearly as this. Unfortunately Tony remains to have significant concerns.

iamwhoiam · 27-04-2021 08:19PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Perhaps the public health people should be communicating as clearly as this. Unfortunately Tony remains to have significant concerns.

Significant concerns added to an abundance of caution leaves us all as confused as each other .

Goldengirl · 27-04-2021 08:21PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

What’s the point of worrying about something that may never happen ? Focus on good news and the fact we have 4 vaccines in the space of a year . A huge accomplishment .

Ok. Let's not talk about anything other than good news and censor everything that might not be 100% sunny ?
The vaccines are all wonderful , happy to have them , hope everyone gets one asap and let's not discuss anything that may impact on their efficacy going forward!

Goldengirl · 27-04-2021 08:23PM

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Bring it up all you like, but expect to be called on it by those of us that deal with facts rather than what ifs.

Those of us ? :pac:

Deeper Blue · 27-04-2021 08:24PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Ok. Let's not talk about anything other than good news and censor everything that might not be 100% sunny ?
The vaccines are all wonderful , happy to have them , hope everyone gets one asap and let's not discuss anything that may impact on their efficacy going forward!

Maybe you should back up a few of the claims you made above?

27-04-2021 08:25PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Martin - can you please explain your understanding of a clinical trial, and how they work?

I can only go on the published results so far
72% effacacy vs 92%
For the life of me,I cannot understand why a less effective vaccine like j and j is being given exclusively to more at risk people than the other 3 more effective ones
The only reason seems to be the tiny percentile that might be unlucky in the younger healthier groups that might sue
Ie Money is trumping health and science here

iamwhoiam · 27-04-2021 08:25PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Ok. Let's not talk about anything other than good news and censor everything that might not be 100% sunny ?
The vaccines are all wonderful , happy to have them , hope everyone gets one asap and let's not discuss anything that may impact on their efficacy going forward!

Whats got into you today GG ? !

St.Spodo · 27-04-2021 08:30PM

There's too much talk of vaccines in individualistic terms ie "what one will give *me *the most protection?" The greatest benefit of vaccines will be their total effect at a population level, preventing the virus from finding enough hosts to cause future waves. We'll all be safe then.

Goldengirl · 27-04-2021 08:30PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Whats got into you today GG ? !

:pac:feeling a bit persecuted here!
No offence iamwhoiam .

iamwhoiam · 27-04-2021 08:34PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

:pac:feeling a bit persecuted here!
No offence iamwhoiam .

People get stressed and are not keen on “ what ifs” I guess . Its bad enough trying to stay above water without “ it might happen “
That’s probably why you feel a bit persecuted GG .

Wolf359f · 27-04-2021 08:35PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

I can only go on the published results so far
72% effacacy vs 92%
For the life of me,I cannot understand why a less effective vaccine like j and j is being given exclusively to more at risk people than the other 3 more effective ones
The only reason seems to be the tiny percentile that might be unlucky in the younger healthier groups that might sue
Ie Money is trumping health and science here

Again, comparing the 2 is like apples to oranges.
But if you insist, at least compare both based on trials in the same place.
US trials, J&J 72% vs AZ 76%

PhilOssophy · 27-04-2021 08:35PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

I can only go on the published results so far
72% effacacy vs 92%
For the life of me,I cannot understand why a less effective vaccine like j and j is being given exclusively to more at risk people than the other 3 more effective ones
The only reason seems to be the tiny percentile that might be unlucky in the younger healthier groups that might sue
Ie Money is trumping health and science here

No more questions your honour.....

hmmm · 27-04-2021 08:35PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

My problem is with jansen with much lower effacacy being given to older people up to 69
It Does Not work as well as the others,thats a fact

It stopped 100% of hospitalisations and deaths. If you get a head cold it's not the end of the world.

I realise that in the real world the results will be slightly different, but the debate about "efficacy" is hugely overblown. All the vaccines we have (so far) will keep you alive, but you may get mild symptoms with some.

funnydoggy · 27-04-2021 08:37PM

Gf feels fine after Moderna first dose earlier. Just freezing and a metallic taste in the mouth.

Jane1012 · 27-04-2021 08:37PM

Everyone who is telling people to just take what they are offered, put yourselves in their shoes.
3 weeks ago I was offered AZ, I decided to decline as I'm in my early 30s and 6 months pregnant and I didn’t feel it was right me taking that when there were less risky vaccines available. I’ve since had the Pfizer vaccine. I was offered the AZ vaccine on a Friday, on the Monday NIAC said that under 60s should not get AZ, today they have said pregnant women should only get MRNA vaccines. My gut was right not to get it at the time, and the experts soon backed that up with the advice given. It’s fine saying that people should just take what they’re given but it sits uneasy with me giving the ‘vulnerable population’ a riskier vaccine just because we have a supply of it especially when the guidance is changing so often on it. I think it’s only fair for people to feel hesitant or unsure about it, I do think if they want to use up the AZ and j&j supply then let people sign up for it rather than force it on a certain age group.

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