Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Strazdas wrote: »

They would have to cross that bridge when they come to it. Leaving perhaps hundreds of thousands of people in their fifties waiting until mid to late June (two months away) for a first dose of a vaccine seems no sort of a solution.

And as I said, what would happen if there was a sudden problem with delivery of the J & J doses in June and they don't arrive?

To use your own phrase you cross that bridge when it comes to it

Using up all four vaccines on 50-69 year olds and having half of vaccines not recommended for 49 and under is no solution either

After vulnerable and second doses no further Pfizer and Moderna should be used in 50+

NIAC have made life very difficult for the HSE in fairness

I only hope it won't cause us to miss the June targets and also cause an even more drawn-out easing of restrictions

Zipppy wrote: »

I'm very high risk, in my 50s.
two weeks ago had vaccination cancelled as apparently I couldn't get AZ cos it wasn't safe for my age group.
Now it appears that today we'll be told it is in fact safe..with no further data utilised except 'ah sure it'll be grand'

So 2 weeks on, no vaccine, no word, no sign of one....pathetic shambles...

If you're in group 4 or 7 that shouldn't apply to you. Group 4 seem to be getting Pfizer.

PhilOssophy wrote: »

The longer hospital beds and HSE resources are taken up with Covid patients, the more others who are waiting for treatments lose out.

We need to end this thing ASAP and creating a vaccine hesitancy or the "I'm getting the worst vaccine so I am not taking it" mantra is the worst way to do it.

Even if there was significant vaccine hesitancy (which AFAIK there isn't any evidence of) vaccine hesitancy is only an issue when we are not supply constrained, which won't be until the end of the summer.

I'm not saying it's good, but it makes little difference for now, since the doses will just move from one person to another. Claiming otherwise is hyperbolic.

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Welcome to Ireland....my mom got AZ last week and her brother told her he got his the week before.

He said "i got the better one - the Pfizer"

Hardly surprising TBH, there's a lot of that going around. You'd be very naïve to think otherwise.

The brother is just displaying his ignorance so let him at it.

I’m so sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask this question, or if it’s been ages back in the thread, but I’ve sort of stopped reading along religiously with the covid threads and more been dipping in and out for the old mental health’s sake, so, it’s ok if I please ask, what does one do in the case of a family member who is around the age to be registering around now for the vaccine, but doesn’t want AZ?

I want to stress- she’s not anti vaxx in the slightest. Just, unfortunately, very very nervous about AZ. (Mind you, with the latest news about the clotting problems, I worry she might feel the same nerves about J&J, sigh. We haven’t had that conversation yet though.) She knows this means waiting a while longer, with the whole back of the queue thing, and she’s actually ok with that. She doesn’t expect to just be sailing in there and getting to have it whenever she wants, she's fine with waiting longer. I’ve tried to talk to her about how for her age the risk is so different, she should really get whatever one she can as soon as she can, etc, etc, but haven’t had much luck there so far, and I don’t really know that I will have any, in changing her mind. So anyway, sorry for rambling, I guess my question is just, should I say to her still to register around now anyway, even if she might not end up getting vaccinated for a while? Is that how they're supposed to do it, just so she’s on a list with someone, somewhere, as someone who needs to get one at some stage? Or would she be better off waiting to register and not take any slot from someone who will go off and get vaccinated tomorrow with AZ if they can!

I’m not sure how you’re supposed to handle that situation- my apologies again if this has been addressed loads of times already, or if it's an incredibly stupid question. I just don't want to be advising her to register if that's going to mess up any systems for anyone anywhere, but obviously, wouldn't like to think of her falling through any cracks by not being on any list at any stage.

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Welcome to Ireland....my mom got AZ last week and her brother told her he got his the week before.

He said "i got the better one - the Pfizer"

Hardly surprising TBH, there's a lot of that going around. You'd be very naïve to think otherwise.

but it is better..and safer....

PixieValentine wrote: »

I’m so sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask this question, or if it’s been ages back in the thread, but I’ve sort of stopped reading along religiously with the covid threads and more been dipping in and out for the old mental health’s sake, so, it’s ok if I please ask, what does one do in the case of a family member who is around the age to be registering around now for the vaccine, but doesn’t want AZ?

I want to stress- she’s not anti vaxx in the slightest. Just, unfortunately, very very nervous about AZ. (Mind you, with the latest news about the clotting problems, I worry she might feel the same nerves about J&J, sigh. We haven’t had that conversation yet though.) She knows this means waiting a while longer, with the whole back of the queue thing, and she’s actually ok with that. She doesn’t expect to just be sailing in there and getting to have it whenever she wants, she's fine with waiting longer. I’ve tried to talk to her about how for her age the risk is so different, she should really get whatever one she can as soon as she can, etc, etc, but haven’t had much luck there so far, and I don’t really know that I will have any, in changing her mind. So anyway, sorry for rambling, I guess my question is just, should I say to her still to register around now anyway, even if she might not end up getting vaccinated for a while? Is that how they're supposed to do it, just so she’s on a list with someone, somewhere, as someone who needs to get one at some stage? Or would she be better off waiting to register and not take any slot from someone who will go off and get vaccinated tomorrow with AZ if they can!

I’m not sure how you’re supposed to handle that situation- my apologies again if this has been addressed loads of times already, or if it's an incredibly stupid question. I just don't want to be advising her to register if that's going to mess up any systems for anyone anywhere, but obviously, wouldn't like to think of her falling through any cracks by not being on any list at any stage.

In theory, she should be able to register on the portal at any point this summer or even early autumn and get an appointment relatively quickly afterwards, so that in itself is not an issue (she may have had good reasons for not being able to register a couple of months earlier). But having said that, if they offered her an AZ at that point, she'd be in a spot of bother I guess and back to square one.

PixieValentine wrote: »

I’m not sure how you’re supposed to handle that situation- my apologies again if this has been addressed loads of times already, or if it's an incredibly stupid question. I just don't want to be advising her to register if that's going to mess up any systems for anyone anywhere, but obviously, wouldn't like to think of her falling through any cracks by not being on any list at any stage.

I have an uncle in the same situation and as he has a heart condition he was offered Pfizer.... Ultimately, it is an individual choice and there is little you can do other than continue to make the case. From an objective point of view, it is a bit Audi vs VW, or Apple vs Lenovo.



As an aside, the decisions and media spin on AZ & J&J from the States and the EU are negatively affecting people in India, such that vaccine hesitancy increased there before the current wave according to a Spanish medic talking to El Pais. We are exporting our first world problems...

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sunday:

First dose: 998,134 (+10,453)
Second dose: 399,927 (+1,855)
Total: 1,398,061 (+12,308)

7 days to Sunday was 189,602

That seems like biggest Sunday total yet?

PhilOssophy wrote: »

People need to stop saying "least effective vaccine". That is based on a very limited clinical trial. People take a flu jab every winter which might be 40-50% effective.
The efficacy is based on a clinical trial. There are 3 key things which matter, does it prevent you getting it, does it prevent hospitalisation and death, and does it prevent you from spreading it. All are performing outstandingly well on all of these.

That may well be true but it isnt the whole picture.
Lots and lots of people that were never hospitalized but had relatively mild covid are suffering long term effects, and mild here is relative, it means not admitted to hospital, flu is no walk in the park either but most people are not hospitalised for that either.
So why are we prioritizing the higher risk cohorts with the lower efficacy vaccines for the sake of a few weeks and when hospital numbers are declining and the most vunerable already vaccinated to a greater extent?, we are over a year into this now remember.
I doubt most people offered Janssen or one or the mRNA vaccines would choose J&J though I think they should be given a choice of J&J sooner or wait a few more weeks for one of the the mRNA vaccines, i would choose to wait.
It may well turn out that long covid effects the mRNA vaccinated too, but with a 95% efficacy rate i'd wager there wil be far less than J&J, time will tell.

If the over 50's are treated like second rate citizans this time, i really hope we get a fairer shot when any booster vaccination comes around.

I think the problem with over 50s waiting for a Pfizer or Moderna is that in a few months time, they could still be offered AZ or J&J. Pfizer is seeking approval for kids as young as 11 so I imagine most of our Pfizer supplies will be going to the 11-15 group once the over 16s are finished. We don’t currently have a roadmap of what is going to happen once the adult population is finished so hoping for a Pfizer vaccine once it’s finished is a gamble. That being said, CureVac coming on stream could sort these issues out for over 50s but that is still an unknown quantity and can’t be forecasted for yet and may not be ready for a few months.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As I'm 60, qualified today to apply online. I have heard it doesn't take too long from that as they have the system running quite nicely now.

Could take a while.

Registered my father last Monday when 65 opened and no appointment yet.

All depends on the nearest MVC, Vaccine delvieries, demographics of the area.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sunday:

First dose: 998,134 (+10,453)
Second dose: 399,927 (+1,855)
Total: 1,398,061 (+12,308)

7 days to Sunday was 189,602

Weren't we supposed to have hit 1m first doses on Sunday?

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sunday:

First dose: 998,134 (+10,453)
Second dose: 399,927 (+1,855)
Total: 1,398,061 (+12,308)

7 days to Sunday was 189,602

WAIT A MINUTE

Martin said we hit 1 million first doses on Sunday!

Well I got AZ and am delighted to get any . As Prof Butler said the best vaccine is the one available and offered to you at the time . I was just pleased to know I can have a bit more confidence and meet my friends outdoors etc . If it was AZ offered then that was my best bet at the time .