An Garda Síochána - COVID19

drunkmonkey · 25-04-2021 11:05PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

You are calling for the Gardai to refuse to recognize a law passed by the elected government and ignore a high court order while they are at it.

As long as the order is lawful, it should be followed without fear, favor or malice as per the oath.

I'm calling for them to ask for the evidence, what are laws usually based on as a lot of these emergency ones are based on nothing but whims and musings of politicans.

25-04-2021 11:17PM

Danno wrote: »

Be careful that never comes to bite you in the ass - I'm generally a pro-Gardai and law and justice person, but the Gardai seem hell bent on pissing off the public at the moment.

Gardai don't make the laws. Get pissed off with those that do.

Strumms · 25-04-2021 11:19PM

Danno wrote: »

Be careful that never comes to bite you in the ass - I'm generally a pro-Gardai and law and justice person, but the Gardai seem hell bent on pissing off the public at the moment.

I’ve had mixed dealings with Gardai, but currently they and not the problem. A small percentage of the public however....

drunkmonkey · 25-04-2021 11:36PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Gardai don't make the laws. Get pissed off with those that do.

What are you suggesting we do to Stephen Donnelly and Micheál Martin, protesting doesn't work as the Gardai try to twart any dissent, email or a letter won't do anything.
Let's get real here, the only people with the power to end some of the nonsense tomorrow are the Gardai by simply looking for evidence to support an emergency whimsical law, there's nothing in the Oath that restricts that from happening.

Danno · 25-04-2021 11:44PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Gardai don't make the laws. Get pissed off with those that do.

You're right to a degree, but the Gardai have discretion. Gardai are not implementing said shyte laws equally and fairly. Square that.

RulesOfNature · 26-04-2021 03:26AM

Have police ever been on the right side of history? I mean it. At what point in history can you point and say 'Ah there the police are simply protecting and serving the people!'

Pick ANY point in history and you will find that the police merely exist to maintain the status quo, protect the property rights of the rich, and stamp down on any reform against tyrannical laws.

You can open a history book and point to examples such as the Slave Patrols in the states, the Sturmabteilung of Nazi Germany, or the Irish republican police who were against the revolutionaries.

Or more recent examples like the FBI who enforced faulty laws such prohibition then used that as excuse to swell its ranks and rake in taxes to fund more surveillance.

Even more recent during the 1980s the American police are now viewed as corrupt with collusions with the cartel, who they point at to justify increased militarisation.

How will police be looked at 20 years from now?

26-04-2021 07:33AM

Danno wrote: »

You're right to a degree, but the Gardai have discretion. Gardai are not implementing said shyte laws equally and fairly. Square that.

What proof do you have that they are not being fair or equal?

Lumen · 26-04-2021 07:57AM

RulesOfNature wrote: »

Pick ANY point in history and you will find that the police merely exist to maintain the status quo

As opposed to...?

26-04-2021 08:03AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What are you suggesting we do to Stephen Donnelly and Micheál Martin, protesting doesn't work as the Gardai try to twart any dissent, email or a letter won't do anything.
Let's get real here, the only people with the power to end some of the nonsense tomorrow are the Gardai by simply looking for evidence to support an emergency whimsical law, there's nothing in the Oath that restricts that from happening.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm calling for them to ask for the evidence, what are laws usually based on as a lot of these emergency ones are based on nothing but whims and musings of politicans.

AGAIN what evidence should Gardai demand before following the laws enacted by the democratically elected government?

The government that you, the people, elected and can replace in elections held within the legal framework of the Republic.

drunkmonkey · 26-04-2021 08:05AM

bubblypop wrote: »

What proof do you have that they are not being fair or equal?

Now you look for proof:rolleyes:

See your more than capable of questioning something when it suits.

26-04-2021 08:08AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Now you look for proof:rolleyes:

See your more than capable of questioning something when it suits.

I think you will find there are no gardai working in any kind of official capacity on boards.
All that's on here are regular people posting.

drunkmonkey · 26-04-2021 08:09AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

AGAIN what evidence should Gardai demand before following the laws enacted by the democratically elected government?

The government that you, the people, elected and can replace in elections held within the legal framework of the Republic.

Your in gestapo territory there take off the blinkers. Where's your line in the sand, integrity of the force has left the building.

The Government were not elected to do this, did anyone ever dream the health act would be abused in such away by physicians and politicans.

_Kaiser_ · 26-04-2021 08:12AM

bubblypop wrote: »

I think you will find there are no gardai working in any kind of official capacity on boards.
All that's on here are regular people posting.

As far as I am aware there are policies for Gardai around social media usage and being perceived to be speaking for or representing the force. Similarly to how most companies now have the same.

You do know that right?

26-04-2021 08:14AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your in gestapo territory there take off the blinkers. Where's your line in the sand, integrity of the force has left the building.

The Government were not elected to do this, did anyone ever dream the health act would be abused in such away by physicians and politicans.

Gardai do not question laws.
The government that drafts the law have to get it through two houses of the oireachtas, it must satisfy the AG, and the President must be happy or he can refer it to the courts.
Then, ordinary citizens, the people who vote in the government, can also bring challenges to the law by going to court.
Many laws have been found to be unconstitutional.
Plenty of scope there I reckon, not the job of police, nor should it be, to interfere with legislation or the government's running of the country.

26-04-2021 08:15AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

As far as I am aware there are policies for Gardai around social media usage and being perceived to be speaking for or representing the force. Similarly to how most companies now have the same.

You do know that right?

Exactly.
Which is why I said there are no gardai posting on boards.
Just regular punters like everyone else

pjohnson · 26-04-2021 08:16AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your in gestapo territory there take off the blinkers. Where's your line in the sand, integrity of the force has left the building.

The Government were not elected to do this, did anyone ever dream the health act would be abused in such away by physicians and politicans.

If anything this pandemic has thought me how little people know about WWII :pac:

_Kaiser_ · 26-04-2021 08:17AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Gardai do not question laws.
The government that drafts the law have to get it through two houses of the oireachtas, it must satisfy the AG, and the President must be happy or he can refer it to the courts.
Then, ordinary citizens, the people who vote in the government, can also bring challenges to the law by going to court.
Many laws have been found to be unconstitutional.
Plenty of scope there I reckon, not the job of police, nor should it be, to interfere with legislation or the government's running of the country.

All correct and rightly so in fairness. The problem here is the ineffective means of holding politicians and parties to account outside of a general election.

But AGS definitely have and use discretion (to your point earlier) which again is a good thing. You only need to look at the traffic twitter feed to see that.

drunkmonkey · 26-04-2021 08:17AM

bubblypop wrote: »

I think you will find there are no gardai working in any kind of official capacity on boards.
All that's on here are regular people posting.

Back to my peer reviewed study with the calculator I posted then as nobody seemed to have a eureka moment, did anyone even try it out, it's good news for church goers but if anyone thinks they'll be having a few sups in Polly's any time soon it's bad news I'm afraid.

26-04-2021 08:18AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

All correct and rightly so in fairness. The problem here is the ineffective means of holding politicians and parties to account outside of a general election.

But AGS definitely have and use discretion (to your point earlier) which again is a good thing. You only need to look at the traffic twitter feed to see that.

I agree.

26-04-2021 08:19AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Back to my peer reviewed study with the calculator I posted then as nobody seemed to have a eureka moment, did anyone even try it out, it's good news for church goers but if anyone thinks they'll be having a few sups in Polly's any time soon it's bad news I'm afraid.

You don't think?
I'm hopeful for June..........

shtpEdthePlum · 26-04-2021 08:20AM

Jaysis boards is delightfully anti-establishment this morning

drunkmonkey · 26-04-2021 08:23AM

pjohnson wrote: »

If anything this pandemic has thought me how little people know about WWII :pac:

We've medals on the wall in this house for one who gave it all.

drunkmonkey · 26-04-2021 08:25AM

bubblypop wrote: »

You don't think?
I'm hopeful for June..........

Not a hope, run the numbers through the calculator.

https://indoor-covid-safety.herokuapp.com/

26-04-2021 08:26AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not a hope, run the numbers through the calculator.

Nooooooo!
This cannot last much longer it's ridiculous at this stage. I think they have to let people open up, whether they want to or not soon.

drunkmonkey · 26-04-2021 08:31AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Nooooooo!
This cannot last much longer it's ridiculous at this stage. I think they have to let people open up, whether they want to or not soon.

This is what we're looking at indoors..

To limit COVID-19 transmission* after an infected person enters this space, there should be no more than:

2 people for 29 hours
5 people for 7 hours
10 people for 3 hours
25 people for 77 minutes
100 people for 22 minutes

Maybe antigen tests before you come in then we can scrap all of the above.

26-04-2021 10:11AM

Well, that's a bummer.

26-04-2021 10:22AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Nooooooo!
This cannot last much longer it's ridiculous at this stage. I think they have to let people open up, whether they want to or not soon.

They (Govt) have been quite consistent on this since early February in fairness-nothing was “promised” - I booked an August Irish break a few months ago as it wasn’t at all certain that inter county travel would be open in June- no less restaurants pubs etc- I’ve always had “July” in my head as to when many/most restrictions would ease like indoor dining/hotels open/ inter county travel- even then for my August break there’s no guarantee there won’t be local county lock downs if figures rise as they did last summer- sorry for being so negative but I’ve listened closely to guidance to date and nothing hinted at a June opening

Sexual Chocolate · 26-04-2021 10:33AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

AGAIN what evidence should Gardai demand before following the laws enacted by the democratically elected government?

The government that you, the people, elected and can replace in elections held within the legal framework of the Republic.

Just to state, the majority of people did not elect this current government.

I know your probably not referring to this specific government and more so the democratic way of things but I felt the need to say that.

chewed · 26-04-2021 02:01PM

Do you still need to have an excuse (to the Gards) if you're travelling within the county or 20K limit? e.g. If I told the gard I'm just going for a drive, is that acceptable?

26-04-2021 02:05PM

chewed wrote: »

Do you still need to have an excuse (to the Gards) if you're travelling within the county or 20K limit? e.g. If I told the gard I'm just going for a drive, is that acceptable?

Yep, so long as you are within your limits, you don't need a reason.

An Garda Síochána - COVID19

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