Random EV thoughts.....

irishgrover · 22-04-2021 05:03PM

innrain wrote: »

The AC on this one is not classed rapid. You bring your own cable and there is no overstay.
I did see a Merc at J14 last summer though

sorry , I was not clear. Yes, I fully understand that the AC on a 150kW is not a DC> I was asking more about the situation where 2 or 3 years ago you would pull of to one of the tripple heads and someone in an outlander was sucking off the Chadamo as a gaggle of leafs, ioniq's etc f(*ked and blinded....

AndyBoBandy · 22-04-2021 06:05PM

What size generally are PHEV batteries? Less than 10kWh??

I know charging for DC has largely helped with these units being PHeV’d up for hours on end....

And I know the ESB units have a 45 minute time limit..... but how about a low/minimum usage penalty to discourage PHEV use? Or a minimum transaction value of €3-4 (~10kWh)

So basically, if you take less than 10kWh (or whatever the average PHEV battery is), you still pay for a minimum of 10kWh.

Discourages PHEV’s from using DC chargers, and nudges them towards AC units instead....

22-04-2021 06:41PM

MJohnston wrote: »

I'm just curious, which part of the future being "Made in China" is the sad face for?

Personally, I'd be unhappy with this because of the Chinese state's genocidal and totalitarian nature, but is that the case for you too?

Both, plus the fact that their State supported industries are destroying the Western competition. Added to the greed of said western companies.

Deleted User wrote: »

Be thankful for small mercies. China is for the most part following a policy of Mercantilism which distracts them from oppression and imperialism. Things could be much worse than they are. It might not be much consolation for those who are in their bad books but it could really be much worse.

Their belt & road initiative is as imperialistic as the British Empire was in the 18th century, he who controls the trade routes, controls the trade and the nations who use those trade routes.

kanuseeme · 22-04-2021 06:42PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

What size generally are PHEV batteries? Less than 10kWh??

I know charging for DC has largely helped with these units being PHeV’d up for hours on end....

And I know the ESB units have a 45 minute time limit..... but how about a low/minimum usage penalty to discourage PHEV use? Or a minimum transaction value of €3-4 (~10kWh)

So basically, if you take less than 10kWh (or whatever the average PHEV battery is), you still pay for a minimum of 10kWh.

Discourages PHEV’s from using DC chargers, and nudges them towards AC units instead....

For a rapid charging phev the battery ranges from 12 to 32 kWh

Busman Paddy Lasty · 22-04-2021 06:43PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Discourages PHEV’s from using DC chargers, and nudges them towards AC units instead....

Ah heyor! It's happening already though. Can barely get on AC in Dublin now with them being used as priority parking for PHEVs.

Black_Knight · 22-04-2021 06:46PM

innrain wrote: »

On the triple Qface the load balancing is static 50:50. It would be interesting to know if this one is dynamic. Otherwise a PHEV charging @3kW would drop DC charging to 25 kW

I asked ecars Anna this when they introduced load balancing software update to these. She said AC takes what it can take, and the DC gets the balance of the 50kW.

kanuseeme · 22-04-2021 06:55PM

irishgrover wrote: »

sorry , I was not clear. Yes, I fully understand that the AC on a 150kW is not a DC> I was asking more about the situation where 2 or 3 years ago you would pull of to one of the tripple heads and someone in an outlander was sucking off the Chadamo as a gaggle of leafs, ioniq's etc f(*ked and blinded....

It was the gaggle of leafs, ioniqs at a charger that persuaded me to go with a phev in the first instant, there is no guarantee that a charger will be working or available if I rocked up to one.

Another one was needing a charge at the worst possible time, and no time to spare.

I go about my business, no planning no route selection only the fastest and if I happen to be waiting, then I go to plug share or ecars and see whats around.

As it is now with the number of EV's, I think an ev going beyond its range will at some stage have the owners circling and squawking about the lack of chargers:D:D:D:D

the_amazing_raisin · 22-04-2021 08:17PM

irishgrover wrote: »

I know back in the day that PHEVs were a legitimate PIA at fast chargers, but since charging has come in has anyone encountered any as a 50kW charger?

Actually in fairness I did come across a 530e at the 150kW in Athlone last week (using the AC plug). Although I think his was jsut showing how it worked to a colleague/friend. In the end it did not work as both chargers (there is a 50kW beside it) refused to start.

I regularly see PHEVs plugged into DC chargers. To be fair a lot of the time it's an Outlander which can actually rapid charge, but I see a fair few BMW and Merc PHEVs pulling 3kW of the most expensive AC electricity in Ireland

slave1 · 22-04-2021 09:56PM

Meh, Outlander can charge max 22kW, not sure I’d call this a rapid charge, Zoe’s/Tesla model S’s can get that off AC

kanuseeme · 22-04-2021 10:10PM

Indeed, hardly rapid, but if a zoe and a tesla are grabbing the full 22kW's, you can come along and wait on them.

the_amazing_raisin · 22-04-2021 10:10PM

slave1 wrote: »

Meh, Outlander can charge max 22kW, not sure I’d call this a rapid charge, Zoe’s/Tesla model S’s can get that off AC

Rapid for a PHEV, where 3kW seems to be the average

irishgrover · 23-04-2021 12:22AM

kanuseeme wrote:

As it is now with the number of EV's, I think an ev going beyond its range will at some stage have the owners circling and squawking about the lack of chargers

I'm just surprised that PHEVs are still using 50kW+ chargers. The 530e I saw in Athlone was the first I've seen since costs came in. Plus that does not count, as it was using the AC socket.
Re availability, as always the EV buyer needs to do their homework and know what their routes are like for chargers. For example, there are ~ 20 48kW+ DC CCS chargers between galway and Dublin. I'd have to be very unfortunate or stupid to have any problems on that route. (Which is my main long journey).
So in our house the EV still does most of the longer trips and the PHEV does mostly more local (<50km) trips, or historically trips when coverage was poorer, eg North of sligo, connemara, the the still noticeably bald space between Limerick and Cork.

cannco253 · 23-04-2021 01:03PM

https://thedriven.io/2021/04/23/plug-in-electric-vehicles-now-dominate-fleet-purchases-in-europe/

"over 553,000 new electric passenger cars were registered by companies in 2020. This was 54% of all new electric passenger car registrations in the selected European markets. The remaining 46% were made by private individuals...the majority of new electric company cars were registered in Germany (over 140,000 registrations), followed by the United Kingdom (over 100,000), and France (55,000)....

In the United Kingdom, almost 4 out of 10 newly registered electric company cars were PHEVs, basically identical to the 38% PHEV share of the country’s 2020 total new electric passenger car registrations...in Germany 64% of new electric passenger cars registered in company fleets were PHEVs in 2020."

Any idea what the stats for Ireland would be?

kanuseeme · 23-04-2021 01:26PM

cannco253 wrote: »

https://thedriven.io/2021/04/23/plug-in-electric-vehicles-now-dominate-fleet-purchases-in-europe/

"over 553,000 new electric passenger cars were registered by companies in 2020. This was 54% of all new electric passenger car registrations in the selected European markets. The remaining 46% were made by private individuals...the majority of new electric company cars were registered in Germany (over 140,000 registrations), followed by the United Kingdom (over 100,000), and France (55,000)....

In the United Kingdom, almost 4 out of 10 newly registered electric company cars were PHEVs, basically identical to the 38% PHEV share of the country’s 2020 total new electric passenger car registrations...in Germany 64% of new electric passenger cars registered in company fleets were PHEVs in 2020."

Any idea what the stats for Ireland would be?

https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

you can select any variable and filter on the right side.

obi604 · 23-04-2021 07:31PM

Panning a trip tomorrow out around Moycullen, Ma’am cross and Oughterard.

From ESB map, it’s seems there are no chargers in this general direction.

Any one know offhand of any not listed on Ecars map?

cannco253 · 23-04-2021 07:40PM

obi604 wrote: »

Panning a trip tomorrow out around Moycullen, Ma’am cross and Oughterard.

From ESB map, it’s seems there are no chargers in this general direction.

Any one know offhand of any not listed on Ecars map?

Nothing out that direction apart from some hotels closer to clifden. If you come back in by headford Joyce’s have a 50kW on plugshare

AndyBoBandy · 23-04-2021 07:40PM

obi604 wrote: »

Panning a trip tomorrow out around Moycullen, Ma’am cross and Oughterard.

From ESB map, it’s seems there are no chargers in this general direction.

Any one know offhand of any not listed on Ecars map?

The Renvyle house hotel have 2 Tesla destination chargers, 1 is Tesla only, and the other is any type 2 car.... however would the hotel even be open, and if yes/ no, would the chargers be still turned on?

MJohnston · 23-04-2021 08:28PM

obi604 wrote: »

Panning a trip tomorrow out around Moycullen, Ma’am cross and Oughterard.

From ESB map, it’s seems there are no chargers in this general direction.

Any one know offhand of any not listed on Ecars map?

I’m fairly sure this area is the biggest black hole of charging points in all of Ireland.

the_amazing_raisin · 23-04-2021 08:53PM

MJohnston wrote: »

I’m fairly sure this area is the biggest black hole of charging points in all of Ireland.

Since the NI network spends most of its time broken does that count as the biggest black hole?

obi604 · 23-04-2021 09:22PM

cannco253 wrote: »

Nothing out that direction apart from some hotels closer to clifden. If you come back in by headford Joyce’s have a 50kW on plugshare

Any secret Lidl around there

cannco253 · 23-04-2021 09:38PM

Galway and Mayo are poor especially the further west you go.

Head out towards Achill from Westport and you're on your own as well.....Ballycroy park has a charger but you need the fob from the office which is probably closed at the moment. Other than that its the restaurant on Achill or Belmullet....

obi604 · 23-04-2021 09:48PM

cannco253 wrote: »

Galway and Mayo are poor especially the further west you go.

Head out towards Achill from Westport and you're on your own as well.....Ballycroy park has a charger but you need the fob from the office which is probably closed at the moment. Other than that its the restaurant on Achill or Belmullet....

Tis fairly slack alright. Like me, I guess lots of people would like to head out there for the day etc and hard to do with lack of charging. May just have to bring the bloody diesel.

DrPhilG · 23-04-2021 10:44PM

Getting the itch again...

Any good finance options on EVs these days? Had to spend a few quid last year fixing the reverse camera on the i3, and about to shell out a load more to fix a window motor.

Every time I have to cough up money, I feel the urge to buy something with a 7 year warranty.

TitianGerm · 23-04-2021 11:04PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

Getting the itch again...

Any good finance options on EVs these days? Had to spend a few quid last year fixing the reverse camera on the i3, and about to shell out a load more to fix a window motor.

Every time I have to cough up money, I feel the urge to buy something with a 7 year warranty.

ID3 available at 0.9% and Leaf at 0% as far as I know.

liamog · 23-04-2021 11:57PM

https://twitter.com/auto_schmidt/status/1385635839775019010?s=19

Interesting to see just how quickly VW Group have ramped up in Western Europe

DrPhilG · 24-04-2021 08:21AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

ID3 available at 0.9% and Leaf at 0% as far as I know.

Wouldn't touch the Leaf but the ID3 could be of interest provided they've ironed out the software bugs in advance.

Their website is a pain in the hole, on mobile anyway. Took me ages to find out what model had the bigger battery.

Hold up, the VW only has a 3 year warranty??

MJohnston · 24-04-2021 11:20AM

If you’re going for financing, why care about any warranty longer than 3 years?

DrPhilG · 24-04-2021 11:47AM

MJohnston wrote: »

If you’re going for financing, why care about any warranty longer than 3 years?

In case I want to keep it at the end.

Ps I've never financed a car before and it probably shows.

MJohnston · 24-04-2021 11:51AM

If you want to keep it after 3 years, don’t get into financing in the first place - seriously!

hold my beer · 24-04-2021 12:13PM

MJohnston wrote: »

If you want to keep it after 3 years, don’t get into financing in the first place - seriously!

Why? There's very low interest rates at the minute so not sure you're sentence can be applied to everyone.

I've done a PCP before for 3 years, then financed the balloon payment over another 3 years. Made sense for me.

Random EV thoughts.....

Comments