Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

RGARDINR · 23-04-2021 04:48PM

So will the guards be out in force come Fri on the roads leading up to the North expecting a big rush of people trying to go up. Nearly tempted myself but in Dublin so I think be a gamble.

dalyboy · 23-04-2021 04:53PM

RGARDINR wrote: »

So will the guards be out in force come Fri on the roads leading up to the North expecting a big rush of people trying to go up. Nearly tempted myself but in Dublin so I think be a gamble.

Barbers and hairdressers opened in the north this morning.
Apparently good few southern reg cars up around Newry (fair play to them)
Botox “doctors” are reporting a lot of southern ladies appointments for today and next week.

Great to see a return to normal

Corby Trouser Press · 23-04-2021 04:54PM

Boggles wrote: »

Was the competition not tenable if that was 10% or 0%?

Is the champions league this season not tenable?

You're embarrassed? I imagine you are firmly in the minority as the vast majority of the country couldn't give 2 fúcks if a few matches in a tournament we were not in gets played or not.

If the governments in Denmark and Holland aren't questioning UEFA motives re ticket sales and a tenable tournament that's good enough for me.

In the grand scale of things these matches being hosted elsewhere doesn't matter at all.

It is not going to be a big consumer tourist boom for Dublin like originally envisaged.

It is just what it represents about where we are as a country and how we are standing out alone (again!) as a special case.

Construction
Attendance at Church Services
Mandatory Hotel Quarantine

And now this another string to our bow.

Yes, embarrassing.

We just cannot seem to deliver anything.

charlie14 · 23-04-2021 04:56PM

niallo27 wrote: »

That pesky science stuff, is every other country in Europe who is allowing the matches wrong so. Is the science in Ireland superior that we know something the rest of Europe doesn't.

Back up there a sec.
What is this science that these countries are basing their decision on. Case numbers and vaccination level based on the experience of others. Or similar to India. fingers crossed and hoping it will be ok ?

Boggles · 23-04-2021 05:05PM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

If the governments in Denmark and Holland aren't questioning UEFA motives re ticket sales and a tenable tournament that's good enough for me.

Both in the tournament, both host nations.

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

In the grand scale of things these matches being hosted elsewhere doesn't matter at all.

I never get embarrassed by things that don't matter at all. Maybe it is just me.

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

We just cannot seem to deliver anything.

Apart from reopening and emptying the hospitals, whilst some of those host countries are going through the horrors of a new wave of infection and having to introduce further restrictions.

facehugger99 · 23-04-2021 05:08PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Back up there a sec.
What is this science that these countries are basing their decision on. Case numbers and vaccination level based on the experience of others. Or similar to India. fingers crossed and hoping it will be ok ?

You're right.

Paddy's smarter than everywhere else.

Sure didn't we invent the 'avoid going into lockdown by staying in lockdown' strategy.

Smart lads, the fellas we have - lucky to have them. God bless Michael, Leo and Tony and all the rest of the brains trust.

*tugs forelock

RGARDINR · 23-04-2021 05:11PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Barbers and hairdressers opened in the north this morning.
Apparently good few southern reg cars up around Newry (fair play to them)
Botox “doctors” are reporting a lot of southern ladies appointments for today and next week.

Great to see a return to normal

ha I will need an excuse if I do

CalamariFritti · 23-04-2021 05:20PM

Boggles wrote: »

You do know that cook book author is an absolute bullshíttíng grifter right?

I hope you have not given him money, he is an absolute snake peddling lies to the weak minded.

I dont know the video and I dont know the man. I assume he says mortality tables go from January to December, not from March to March.

I can tell you that is not a lie.

Does that sum it up?

niallo27 · 23-04-2021 05:27PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Back up there a sec.
What is this science that these countries are basing their decision on. Case numbers and vaccination level based on the experience of others. Or similar to India. fingers crossed and hoping it will be ok ?

Pardon my stupidity here, can you just answer the question if you can, why are we the only country in Europe to say no, if our vaccine roll out is on track and our case numbers continue to be low. Are we basing our decisions on different criteria.

niallo27 · 23-04-2021 05:30PM

gozunda wrote: »

Neither did the UK or Israel.

Germany a bit ahead of us with vaccination afaik. They've also prioritised the vulnerable first. They started ruling back their restrictions and despite nearly being into May (outside of seasonality parameters) - they're currently facing increased restrictions following a rapid rise in the rate of infection.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet.

The same germans who can fly to Spain for their holidays, them germans.

Silentcorner · 23-04-2021 05:32PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I dont know the video and I dont know the man. I assume he says mortality tables go from January to December, not from March to March.

I can tell you that is not a lie.

Does that sum it up?

Actually he said to compare impact of viral infections on death rates you go from Oct-Sept, our flu season begins in Oct...to examine the excess mortality from year to year.

Which would make sense, as you encompass one flu season not two....

But we all know there wasn't 3,200 excess deaths directly as a result of Covid...many of us have been saying it for some time, the video just explains better than I can.

They hauled out an Oceanographer in Maynooth, who made an assertion that if we hadn't locked down in Jan the fire would have ripped through the country wreeking havoc....not a jot of science to back that up of course!!!

RTE is a shambles!!!

robbiezero · 23-04-2021 05:32PM

Couldn't give a crap about the soccer, but its a further illustration that our Covid response is being led by clueless, cowardly, ass-covering, one-trick ponies who simply haven't a rashers how to try and live with this virus and are scared to even try, when its not doing them any harm.

I had the misfortune to see a bit of Lisa Chambers on the Tonight Show last night, so the above is no surprise. She was like Helen Lovejoy's idiot sister.

TomSweeney · 23-04-2021 05:49PM

God, RTE **** over the situation in France and India ... like they really are using it to justify the endless lockdown they want here.

Windmill100000 · 23-04-2021 06:13PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

God, RTE **** over the situation in France and India ... like they really are using it to justify the endless lockdown they want here.

Or maybe it's that our numbers have plateud circa 400-500 a day that is the reason we aren't moving forward with reopening.

_Kaiser_ · 23-04-2021 06:22PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Or maybe it's that our numbers have plateud circa 400-500 a day that is the reason we aren't moving forward with reopening.

Increased case numbers are not equal to increased hospitalisations, ICU admittance, or deaths.

Those are the important metrics, not obsessing about cases in people who probably don't even realise they have it.

Boggles · 23-04-2021 06:27PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Actually he said to compare impact of viral infections on death rates you go from Oct-Sept, our flu season begins in Oct...to examine the excess mortality from year to year.

So he cut out over half the pandemic to suit his grift?

:pac:

Honestly though, don't give him money.

Boggles · 23-04-2021 06:30PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I dont know the video and I dont know the man. I assume he says mortality tables go from January to December, not from March to March.

I can tell you that is not a lie.

Does that sum it up?

I didn't watch it like I said.

He is a cook book author who can use advanced excel and ms graphs.

He peddles lies to the weak minded in return for their money.

RGS · 23-04-2021 06:31PM

robbiezero wrote: »

Couldn't give a crap about the soccer, but its a further illustration that our Covid response is being led by clueless, cowardly, ass-covering, one-trick ponies who simply haven't a rashers how to try and live with this virus and are scared to even try, when its not doing them any harm.

I had the misfortune to see a bit of Lisa Chambers on the Tonight Show last night, so the above is no surprise. She was like Helen Lovejoy's idiot sister.

Agreed. Saw some of lisa chambers and my God she was awful. At one stage she appeared to snigger at o toibin arguments. No wonder mayo kicked her out of the dail last year.

gozunda · 23-04-2021 06:39PM

niallo27 wrote: »

The same germans who can fly to Spain for their holidays, them germans.

Yup the same Germans who have effectively lockdowned their own country to tourism.

They really have the whole thing licked ...

23-04-2021 06:45PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

He should of ****ed off and stayed at home moping, he is almost deranged with doom now.

I'm not a fan of Tony Holohan and wish he wasn't in charge. To say that he was "home moping" is very unfair I think. The man was and no doubt still is grieving the loss of his wife.

Windmill100000 · 23-04-2021 06:46PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Increased case numbers are not equal to increased hospitalisations, ICU admittance, or deaths.

Those are the important metrics, not obsessing about cases in people who probably don't even realise they have it.

Increased cases, whether people know they have it or not, increases the risk of community transmission. This in turn can ramp up hospitalisations. The more people vaccinated, the less important case numbers are.

niallo27 · 23-04-2021 06:52PM

gozunda wrote: »

Yup the same Germans who have effectively lockdowned their own country to tourism.

They really have the whole thing licked ...

You do know they can fly to Spain on their holidays, where as we can stand in a field with another person as long neither of us own the field. I'd swap any day with them.

niallo27 · 23-04-2021 06:54PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Increased cases, whether people know they have it or not, increases the risk of community transmission. This in turn can ramp up hospitalisations. The more people vaccinated, the less important case numbers are.

So you agree case numbers are in no way as important as they were let's say to last November or December.

niallo27 · 23-04-2021 06:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Tony Holohan and wish he wasn't in charge. To say that he was "home moping" is very unfair I think. The man was and no doubt still is grieving the loss of his wife.

So should a man grieving the loss of a loved one be in charge of recommending restrictions, he will obviously recommend restrictions scaled for no loss of life at all.

peterc1991 · 23-04-2021 06:56PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

God, RTE **** over the situation in France and India ... like they really are using it to justify the endless lockdown they want here.

You dont genuinely believe that..

Boggles · 23-04-2021 06:58PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You do know they can fly to Spain on their holidays, where as we can stand in a field with another person as long neither of us own the field. I'd swap any day with them.

You'd wonder why the Health Minister is calling for more restrictions as there hospitals fill back up.

Also as you said earlier you are from Clare, the weather is gorgeous, it's the weekend and you are in a County that is up there with some of the most spectacular coast line on the planet?

But all you think you can do is stand in a field.

You are doing wrong it lad. Very Very wrong.

peterc1991 · 23-04-2021 06:59PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So should a man grieving the loss of a loved one be in charge of recommending restrictions, he will obviously recommend restrictions scaled for no loss of life at all.

Well thats his job. Its a recommendation and he doesnt have final decision. Thats why he isnt in government. The government need money start moving around the country so they would prefer to open. So they find a common ground. You let on as if Tony is some dictator or something.

Penfailed · 23-04-2021 07:09PM

gozunda wrote: »

Is that you are just catching up on this now?

Yes you're less likley to get seriously ill if you are vaccinated.

So far we are at 17.8% first vaccines administered and 7.33% second dose vaccines administered.

But hey let's ignore that and do our own thing right?

Even the UK and Isreal didn't start to open until they had a significant amount of the total population vaccinated. Yeah but we know better than them. Fek "Tony and his crew" eh?

Why is construction still partly closed? The UK and Israel didn't have a 5km or county travel restriction either. By that metric, we are 'doing our own thing'.

Corholio · 23-04-2021 07:13PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Increased cases, whether people know they have it or not, increases the risk of community transmission. This in turn can ramp up hospitalisations. The more people vaccinated, the less important case numbers are.

Cases haven't increased though, they have plateaued as you yourself said. With things open the last few weeks it's the limit of what we can expect. Even an increase means little unless it's an explosion, which has a lot of factors against that happening. The sensitivity towards an extra 100 or 150 cases etc needs to be deprogrammed from some in terms of fear and worry now, I don't blame some because we have had a year of it in our face but a lot are also over that hill of looking at it that way too.

charlie14 · 23-04-2021 07:16PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

You're right.

Paddy's smarter than everywhere else.

Sure didn't we invent the 'avoid going into lockdown by staying in lockdown' strategy.

Smart lads, the fellas we have - lucky to have them. God bless Michael, Leo and Tony and all the rest of the brains trust.

*tugs forelock

I didn`t say "Paddy`s smarter" I asked the poster was there any scientific data to back up what these others were doing, or were they similar to India a few weeks ago. Just crossing their fingers and hoping for the best.

from your post I have a feeling it`s safe to say you`re believer in the India approach ?

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings