Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Please justify the morality of ever going to a pub or visiting an elderly loved one again, knowing for a fact that as a direct result of this, people will die. I don’t think you can.

A family will be torn apart with grief because you “wanted a pint”. Why is that OK?

Oh please. More dramatics and hysteria :rolleyes:

People die, every day, for all sorts of reasons, with or without Covid. It's sad and unfortunate but extending lockdowns and restrictions will not prevent that. We haven't discovered a way to immortality.

Plus, as the stats have shown, most of those who've died or at real risk are very elderly and/or with serious or terminal underlying problems. My own mother, who was a lot younger than this group (late 50s) , died a few years ago with a lung disease after over a decade of limited lung function that left her wheezing and coughing after going up the stairs. Her last 2 years were spent strapped to oxygen machines and nebulisers in Beaumont hospital while she wasted away in bed.

In the end, death was a release for her just as I'm certain it is for many of those in that actually vulnerable group. Quality of life is far more important than a year or two more of misery and pain. Even in her last months, my mam was far more concerned that me and my sister would be OK than herself.

That's reality, not this "think of the very elderly and sick" emotive nonsense. The welfare of their families and loved ones are likely far more important to them as well.

It's like this. Every man, woman, child and animal in the country has had covid. 50% of the population of Ireland has DIED in just over a year. That's 2.5 million people DEAD. Everybody who isn't DEAD has long covid and can't drag themselves out of bed anyway. No point in opening up anything EVER again. The sooner covid deniers face up to this fact the better.

I think our leaders, health and political, will be dragged into reality through a combination of the UK opening up and the EU enforcing green cards in law.

We're actually relying on the UK and EU to get back to some sort of normality.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

My advice to anyone who can is get out of this country immediately

You first.

I'll start a GoFundMe.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tuned into Prime Time there, have a go at this cracker: "In lieu of trends in recent days, is it time to pull back on phased reopening?" This is the type of irresponsible rhetoric being bandied about. Our national broadcaster, unashamedly fronting for NPHET. Stop f*cking torturing us, administer the vaccines and reopen the country without delay. We're fed up of this ultra-conservative cabbage. Give me strength, it's gone beyond caricature at this stage.

Only turned it on briefly the other night, they were claiming excess deaths in 2020. I think others earlier on this thread showed that as a % of the population, deaths actually reduced according to CSO.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/news/were-still-a-little-concerned-dr-tony-holohan-urges-public-not-to-get-ahead-of-easing-of-restrictions-40345310.html

“We’re still a little concerned”

Christ on a bloody bike. 5 months in lockdown now and we’re no further forward even with vaccines going into arms. What the actual hell is going on here?
One set of clowns telling another set of clowns with no stones what needs to be done yet nothing is changing. I’m really starting to wonder what in the name of Christ is the plan is because lockdown and hope is just not enough at this stage. An absolute cluster**** this whole thing is and it’s a bit coincidental Hulahoop arrives back from leave and suddenly everything is very doom and gloom.
I really had high hopes for June, getting there some which way but now, any bit of confidence I had in NPHET or Govt is completely decimated. How MM can stand in the Dail banging on about his 80% target for June not changing is chronic. It’s clearly a case of yes the target hasn’t changed but no mention of how it’ll probably be missed.
How can you recommend the same thing over and over again, at a MASSIVE cost to society and believe it’s the correct plan? How can Donnelly continue to be health minister and absolutely no improvements have been made to the health system despite falling hospital numbers?
There seems to be absolutely no sense of process improvement here whatsoever, no accountability and a Govt passing the buck constantly while simultaneously being absolutely terrified to deviate one inch from what NPHET advises.
The whole thing actually beggars belief at this stage.

Yeah, and worst of all is that the media and a bafflingly high proportion of the population still seem determined to simply parrot the government's excuses or make the excuses for them.

One of the greatest spins ever spun is that, somehow, the government is still managing to nurture the narrative that the responsbility lies with the people -- YOU have to hold firm, YOU have to behave responsibly, rises in cases or deaths are YOUR fault and YOU will be punished with restrictions if YOU do not behave. In doing so they have, with remarkable level of success, subtly deflected from the fact that the ongoing restrictions and their continued imposition are now a consequence of the incompetence of the State and the European Union in the procurement and rollout of vaccines -- rather than the old handy narrative that it's all the fault of teens gathering and house parties. Somehow, a government which assumed full responsibility for managing the virus by stripping people of their rights is wondrously able to simultaneously pretend that it is not responsible for the vaccine debacle -- and that it's all the fault of some nebulous faceless crowd in Brussels. All the while, this contradictory concept of Schrodinger's Government, where the government is simultaneously both responsible and not responsible, is happily swallowed and parroted by a great deal of the population -- who meekly acquiesce to this infuriating mentality of "ah sure what can they do" / "it's a tough job, I wouldn't want to be in charge right now" / "they are just doing their best".

People don't even seem to bother to ask anymore whether the waves / spikes which NPHET would presumably factor into their permutations and forecasts actually indicate the potential collapse of the healthcare system. Remember when that was the justification for lockdown?

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Did they?

3,200 excess deaths linked to pandemic - new analysis

That has already been debunked....it didn't take much effort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjAyD8LoyMo

People have been warned over and over again about the disgraceful behaviour of RTE since this began...

Silentcorner wrote: »

That has already been debunked....it didn't take much effort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjAyD8LoyMo

People have been warned over and over again about the disgraceful behaviour of RTE since this began...

You do know that cook book author is an absolute bullshíttíng grifter right?

I hope you have not given him money, he is an absolute snake peddling lies to the weak minded.

Boggles wrote: »

You do know that cook book author is an absolute bullshíttíng grifter right?

I hope you have not given him money, he is an absolute snake peddling lies to the weak minded.

When a cook book author can take apart a b****** narrative on RTE that easily you've gotta ask who is selling the snake oil!!!

And my god...you've a visceral hatred of the guy!!!

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Did they?

3,200 excess deaths linked to pandemic - new analysis

With respect, I’d trust the published data from the CSO themselves more so than some snippets from RIP.ie and hearsay from funeral homes!

Its also presents it as a 12 month period that crosses over two months into 2021. You can’t have reliable excess death data with two months from a different year being included and two months from the relevant year being excluded.

I’m not saying the report doesn’t have merit, but unless the CSO is wrong it’s accepted that there were no excess deaths in 2020.

My little sister is delighted with herself today as she goes off to get her hair done in the North.

Meanwhile down South we have our leaders leaking the most vague soundbites that come to the top of their heads. "Ye might be able to get your haircut in May, sure we'll just see, ye just need to hold firm a few more weeks!!"

Silentcorner wrote: »

When a cook book author can take apart a b****** narrative on RTE that easily you've gotta ask who is selling the snake oil!!!

And my god...you've a visceral hatred of the guy!!!

He peddles lies for money and it has been quite lucrative apparently.

Again don't give him money.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

You could level the same accusation at some of the "experts" doing interviews these days.

Have they 8 ways to donate on their grift pages?

Fact check yourself, it's never been easier and don't give grifters peddling lies money, it's very simple.

That particularly cretin is praying on the weak minded and stealing their money whilst doing so.

opinionated3 wrote: »

Tomas Ryan wheeled out on newstalk this morning saying that it's now the schools fault that numbers are rising, and we need to be very slow, "if at all" in our reopening. These guys just love sucking the life out of us. Hopeless.

Pathetic isn't it ?

Captain_Crash wrote: »

With respect, I’d trust the published data from the CSO themselves more so than some snippets from RIP.ie and hearsay from funeral homes!

Its also presents it as a 12 month period that crosses over two months into 2021. You can’t have reliable excess death data with two months from a different year being included and two months from the relevant year being excluded.

I’m not saying the report doesn’t have merit, but unless the CSO is wrong it’s accepted that there were no excess deaths in 2020.

Where are CSO saying there were no excess deaths at all due to covid?

Excess mortality for between March and September is estimated to be between 876 and 1,192 deaths

Okay that's a lot lower than the reported covid death toll for that period but I wouldn't call it 'no excess deaths'